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Xeno design in A:C WAS direct from Giger...

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Starlogger

May-30-2017 5:57 AM

In the new Art and Making of A:C, the direct model copied by the production staff for the Xeno was Necronom IV, and a male figure from La Specola Anatomical Collection in Italy.

So this movie was very much indeed Gigeresque. 

In reading through this book, I can understand quite a few of the production details that were seemingly puzzling on first viewing.

The Xeno newborn, however, was absolutely controversial, and they wanted it to be. BUT, it was even controversial amongst the crew, lol.

Very good book, LOTS of details.

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BigDave

May-30-2017 6:53 AM

The Original idea for the Xenomorph was some varied designs by O'Bannon and a few others, before O'Bannon came across HR Giger and Necronom 4 which he showed to RS and then Ridley fell in love with the design and they got HR Giger on board.

Ridley Scott like HR Gigers 1+2 designs from his Necronomicon Book and wanted him to design something based off that.

Image 3 was his first Alien Concept...  Before he then came up with number 5 and then number 4 .... before he then finally came up with something that became the 1979 Xenomorph

It appears they was considering a design closer to the Necronom 4 for Alien Covenant and indeed Prometheus 2 prior but they instead went for something that was more closer to a mix of the Classic 1979 and Necronom 4 design but less Bio-Mechanical

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

May-30-2017 6:54 AM

I will be looking to put some money aside and buy these books as i am very interested in some of the design process and potential changes made.... likewise with Prometheus.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Starlogger

May-30-2017 6:56 AM

@BD thanks for the pix! I find all that extremely interesting. 

I do still enjoy the aesthetics of the "Biomechanoid" "original" Alien the best, and I would assume that David (or.. ?) would be fine tuning his masterpiece throughout its evolution up to the "original's" xeno appearance, and I would bet that it would be as a result of David himself splicing into the Xeno DNA to attempt to transcend himself. would make for an interesting story.

Starlogger

May-30-2017 6:58 AM

@BD Yeah, I'd say this book was well worth the $$$. I cannot put it down. There is something interesting on every page. LOTS of text and pics. The section on David's lab is worth it just for all of the artwork they show alone. LOTS of intricate details not able to be seen in the movie, for obvious reasons.

BigDave

May-30-2017 8:07 AM

Well they are going the route that David creates the Eggs...

The Xenomorph is clearly different, and so its a case of is RS going to just have it as a Oversight... that the Quicker Gestation and Growth, the less Bio-Mechanical Appearance and Space Jockey Size are all oversights just as we have to accept those Not So Engineers are Engineers?

A iconic twist would be if Davids creation turns on him... but its how they handle this...

David has One Hand... thats not a good way to have him play out his role in the Franchise... and so we have to wonder... Would the Covenant take a Synthetic with no Spare Parts?

And so yes David Building a Walter Body to then Transfer his Soul into so to speak could be a interesting aspect and if Walter Models are Part Organic... this would mean Potentially his Creations could want to Turn on him and Produce the Bio-Mechanical Xenomorph.

I think its kind of a logical route to go now..

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Lone

May-30-2017 8:57 AM

Yeah, anyone remember this? :)

GIGER'S NECRONOM IV APPEARS ON ALIEN: COVENANT CLAPPERBOARD!

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Existenzable

May-30-2017 6:14 PM

Giger's art hints at a demonic biomechanical evolution of some life forms in (presumably) this universe. Like a Lovecraft god, the Space Jockey sits long dead in his or her or its cockpit, the victim of one of the Xenomorph eggs, which look unusually fresh.

Please remember that Mr. Scott said the Derelict on LV-426 parked, not crashed. The comment was made in 2011 or 2012 and felt slyly significant.

Now think of the David-replaces-Walter cliche. Eight out of ten movies are shamelessly predictable. I'm not sure about these Scott Alien prequels, because so much seems to be made up or discarded on the fly. Right now, we seem to be looking at a cautionary tale about A.I. It appears the Xenomorphs are not some satanic counterpart to Greek god Engineers. At this point, all roads lead to the Jockey on LV-426...and to Ash.

I read comments on here because so many of you have loved Scott and Giger's haunting initial collaboration, and you think in grand designs about the whole saga. Scott seemed to have these grand designs on his mind too when he made Prometheus, but Hollywood needed a human connection to Giger's nightmarescapes. We may never know if Ridley Scott looked at the Space Jockey and knew it was as fine an alien creation as the Xeno. A being fused into its chair...something that may have evolved and died long before life developed on Earth. Something that found a reason to transcend organic existence. Maybe something as close to a god as a life form can be (a perfect organism).

For our Giger filmic fix we're only going to have the 1979 Alien.

So--I'd like to see fellow fans dip into the LCD possibilities of how Scott will wrap all this up. David. Ash. Mother. The classic Xenomorph. The fossilized or mummified '79 Space Jockey.

Come up with a truly bland, obvious, Hollywood story.

Somebody is going to nail it. Narrow your scope. Allow for inconsistencies known and unknown. If David does not live on in Ash, the lesson of unchecked A.I. seems kind of pointless.

If the Jockey/Engineer "parked" on LV-426, did it have big plans for the eggs? Is it a regular Engineer? Is it David? Are the eggs from the Covenant survivors?

I don't know. Maybe the Pilot "parked" to hide. Maybe it died as it contemplated its reasons for being on LV-426. Maybe LV-426 and LV-223 are victims of some event or events that leave the Jockey in the ancient-looking state. The Derelict sent a warning, not an SOS. Could the Pilot be the final living Engineer, having helped destroy LV-223, and taking what s/he believes are the last Alien eggs to a remote rock from which s/he sends the distress signal...maybe after realizing s/he has been impregnated?

Prometheus myth...bioweapons...human greed...a robot who thinks gruesome monsters are "perfect organisms"...a Company that knows more than it's telling in the future but still can't get its hands on the Giger David-enhanced Xenomorph...

Mother and Ash, years after David, Shaw and Covenant...

The obvious is right under our noses. And remember this too: it's been said David will find redemption.

Come on...those of you who know how easy it is to hack out a plot can figure this thing out!

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