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Big 80% drop in its second week of play - Your thoughts??

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colonialsoldier

May-28-2017 9:27 AM

Do you still think another prequel/sequel is imminent?  If yes or no; then why?

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Ati

May-28-2017 9:35 AM

I think it's not a problem if somebody does not like the movie, but bashing it in every second thread trying to manipulate others and inform the site about 80% dropping every other day is not a fan activity but troll activity.

If you are a fan with negative opinion, you wait a month and share, ok, hundred times a day, no problem. BUT DOING IT AFTER ONE WEEK OF ITS RELEASE REVEALS THAT YOU HAVE OTHER OBVIOUS INTENTIONS.

Facehuggers

May-28-2017 9:38 AM

I absolutely loved Covenant, so news of an 80% drop horribly worries me! :(

Nevertheless, I think Ridley Scott is bound to make at least one more sequel because he has stated that a script for the sequel has been developed already. Also, he's a very determined director!

colonialsoldier

May-28-2017 9:40 AM

@ATI; got it that you are a fan of Covenant and do not care of all the faults and nonsense of the movie.  I saw the original Alien probably before you were born; so I was a fan a long time in 1979 and I have every right to condemn the current movie if I think it sucks.  

I have hoping for Ridley to redeem himself.  He is just a director; not the original creator and writer of the series.  I wish they went with Alien5 instead.  This movie is an abomination.

Providing honest viewpoints and not sucking up to a horrible movie is not being a troll my friend.  Grow up.  You do not like the theme of the thread; then simply refrain from commenting.  That is what a grown-up will do then whine about others who bash this movie.

colonialsoldier

May-28-2017 9:44 AM

 Hundred times a day?  I have not posted on this site since last week and just returned to my base today.  I was in New York City during Fleet Week.  I am not the only one on this site that has criticized this movie for its poor execution, writing and story telling.

I worked on a movie; so I have a clue on production, editing and quality.  What is your background?

cuponator3000

May-28-2017 10:03 AM

It seems that almost no matter what, a sequel is immenent. I mean, if they make, like, $6 (exaggerating of course), then I can imagine it being held off. I may be wrong, but I feel as if the studio really wants to complete this Ridley-led prequel escipade. It seems that franchise building is too valuable noawadays to abdandon it. Not sure how many films Ridley actually wants to make (we have heard anywhere from 1 to, like, 6 more), but I think after he gets one more done, Fox will step back from his Alien vision. Maybe an Alien 5 (whether it is Blompkamp's or not) would be conisdered. Plus, they could go the connected Universe route and, you know, start spin-offs and what not. I would prefer if they stay away from that, but it's a possibility at this point. 

So, I think Ridley will have his vision (or the twisted version of his vision) completed in the next film and then Fox may start going away from him as director amd try to diversify with different directors and spin-offs and what not. It may happen way down the road too. Could be something like 5-7 years down the road (that's after the next film is released) that anything starts to come together in that aspect. 

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QueenElizabethShaw

May-28-2017 10:11 AM

It's only weekend two (and memorial day is tomorrow.) Also, it has yet to hit the Chinese market. That's a fairly substantial chunk of revenue that has yet to be added to the till. I don't really see the 80% drop on Friday as some sort of indication that things are going foul.

That 80% drop DOES make a great headline for sites to up their clicks for their sponsors though. Articles like this are about as useful as the daily reports we're getting on White House shenanigans. Assessments can't really be made at such a frequency. I think the best place from which to judge will be once it hits weekend two in China. We should already have a pretty good idea by then as to how it did in domestic markets since it will be on it's way out of US theaters.

I will say, considering how it's fairing here compared to Prometheus, it seems we're well past the point of juggling doubts about a sequel.

I don't really see Fox dropping the idea, but I do see them possibly ratcheting up the pressure on Ridley and co to deliver something phenomenal next go round. Probably even demanding that if he really wants more films, the next one better deliver and possibly at a tighter budget. He's going to need to at least be able to match the debt:profit ratio of Covenant on the third installment.

Also I could see Fox telling him he has to drop the hard R, possibly even go PG-13. 

The next film will probably be the one that determines the fate of future projects set in this universe.

colonialsoldier

May-28-2017 11:00 AM

@cupernator - I really do hope so because Kick-Ass was at borderline profit and a sequel was made.  

@Queen - That is the good thing and Prometheus did not have a China opening; so that may put it over the edge.  

Pirates and Baywatch took a good bite from Prometheus this weekend but the summer vacation has started in the south; so hopefully, fresh viewings may happen because the kids are out. 

QueenElizabethShaw

May-28-2017 11:04 AM

 colonialsoldier

Summer vacation may play a role. I'm not really sure to be honest though. I don't have my finger on the pulse of most theater practices so I don't know how heavily enforced the R rating will be. I have no doubt there will probably be a ton of kids that want to see it though.

Tiwaz

May-28-2017 11:36 AM

I'm not sure if it is possible to "recreate the alien experience". One thing that influences a movie is the Zeitgeist of the time it is made in. That's something you can't copy. 

I can only think of one other more recent movie that had a kinda "70ties Scifi vibe" to it, "Moon".

 

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

splatterpunk

May-28-2017 12:25 PM

One of the things that hurt Covenant in box office are the films that are out now. When prometheus was out there were not that many great movies going against it. Covenant has some heavy hitters in the box office.

Ash81

May-28-2017 1:36 PM

The movie sucked.  That's why it dropped at the box office.

colonialsoldier

May-28-2017 2:02 PM

@Tiwaz and @Splatter - That is very true.

@Ash81 - LOL.  Wait!!  You may be labeled as a troll because as a fan of the Alien series; you cannot talk negative constantly about the movie lol.

Gralen

May-28-2017 2:43 PM

A:C is worse then Prometheus.

It offers no new ideas but rushed/old attempts to bring the alien franchise back to its glory. We have seen alien movies and their spin offs since 30 years.

Prometheus was a courageous step to try something new in the alien universe from another perspective. Okay it had it's flaws but also alot of good ideas which should be further developed.

dk

May-28-2017 2:48 PM

OK I will say it. Regardless of box office sales, Awakening is going to happen.

colonialsoldier

May-28-2017 2:53 PM

@DK, I hope so.  

@Gralen, you are correct.  I am on IMDB now; trying to find a positive comment from a viewer but this one made me laugh...

I can foresee this being show on MST3K.

2 out of 5 people found the following review useful:

it's got to be a joke on purpose being so bad.

1/10
Author: iasimkhovich
28 May 2017

*** This review may contain spoilers ***

from the beginning, i couldn't believe how much this film was begging for an MST3K treatment. by ten minutes in, i found that practically every line deserved to be made fun of. i started wincing when he told walter to "ambulate"--the only thing i thought of was mr. burn from "the simpsons"--and then it got even dumber.

why does a ship's computer tell a robot that runs around in it to come to the bridge and push a few buttons because it's time to deploy energy collecting sails? can't it just do that itself? then, we get to see some neat energy collecting sails deploy. wow. that was worth a buck.

then, it's like, horrible that one of the pods that contains sleeping people FALLS. like, that's the most awful thing that can happen. was that shot supposed to shock old ladies that are scared to get bumped as they fall down? there's a space hick/cowboy who's familiar with john denver. when this film screened in Texas, i'm sure they all screamed "yee-haw" and threw their cowboy hats in the air and started shooting the ceiling randomly.

i started wondering about how much time was left because i was already bored and felt like the film was a waste of time and WOW... it was nearly half-way through. that was around the 49 minute mark, when you finally see an alien. i figured i could stand around and get through it.

they really went insane trying to capitalize on the generic half-way mark and pivot/twist the plot HARD but um, it felt like one of those "star trek: the next generation" movies stuck on a boring planet where nothing happens and there's no reason to care.

this movie actually made alien 4 look good.

miserably bad. if it was a comic book, you'd still be disappointed at how vacuous and lame the story was, if it cost more than 50 cents. 25-50 cents? maybe. 75 cents and you'd feel ripped off.

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dk

May-28-2017 2:57 PM

Because of spoilers I avoided most of the review but as a huge MST3K fan since 1992, I find myself giving the treatment to just about any movie including Alien.

djamelameziane

May-28-2017 3:45 PM

Ahhh just like the old days so nostalgic :) . Yes probably enough has been done to make the next one.  But do we want to see it :O? Will it ruin alien... for me well i still don't think of these prequels as part of alien they are just not. But i still got my fingers crossed....

There was another event i think around Thursday last week and that was the uploading of the first pirated version shot in a cinema. That could of impacted... I'm sure there's a lot of people who got burnt by Prometheus and waited for the pirated copy. Which came out surprisingly late...i seem to remember Prometheus being very quick like most high profile films. Anyway just saying. 

I fall on the side that Prometheus was a big disappointment after alien yes some parts of it were brilliant and love the idea of finding out the origins of the xeno and goo but David making them is something i really don't want to see and making them from a bio weapon the engineers made?! That is so small I've been thinking the engineers are the basic level workers but none the less far more advanced than us and out there somewhere is things far more advanced than them.  The black goo coming from one of those things... so advanced even the engineers don't know what it is. 

Yes AC has taken the vastness out of Prometheus but i was impressed with the beginning as was many. It started to gel in parts and feel far more real than Prometheus. But yes then the weirdness and stupidity started up just like Prometheus. I really don't understand why they think this is Friday the 13th in space.  Alien was not that in the slightest. It was the best hard sci fi film ever! So real so vast and mysterious... mind blowing. Does Ridley actually see the difference? 

Moon was great one of the few films punching harder than expected these days.  But no the new films don't need to keep the 70s style they just need to be solid logically and so feel very real with the creative vastness that is there in parts just fragmented...i do also wonder who is pulling the strings behind the scenes it feels like there's more than one direction with this all...

 "It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D

Gralen

May-28-2017 3:55 PM

The film had some hilarious moments like when the new born deacon waves to David ,like he's the mummy, which reminded me to a muppet show scene or the weird David-Flute melody where he played the intro music of Prometheus (WTF, is that supposed to be funny?).

colonialsoldier

May-28-2017 4:06 PM

@Gralen - Yes, David playing the Prometheus theme just made the scene ridiculous in my opinion. 

Also, I have seen a pirated film before the release of the movie but if the movie is like awesome; I will head to the theater to enjoy it on the big screen.  

Perhaps, when those viewers saw the pirated version; they felt it was not worth the price of admission.

QueenElizabethShaw

May-28-2017 6:27 PM

Gralen and colonialsoldier

The Prometheus theme on the flute struck me as oddly out of place too. I thought it was cheap and strange. Though I do now think Ridley meant to convey that the Prometheus theme was a foreshadowing of this song David would eventually write and endlessly attempt to improve (as was indicated in the novelization), but I feel the delivery in the film not only fell flat but served to undermine the atmosphere. Another instance of Ridley Scott assuming something would be more obvious to audiences then it actually was.

djamelameziane

May-28-2017 8:06 PM

I thought the idea was the song is an engineers song that turns on the juggernaut no? 

 "It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D

Gralen

May-29-2017 1:08 AM

The Prometheus theme could be a sacrificial melody from the Engineers society, which they use occasionally.

They seem to interact with technology in melody like patterns (Prometheus star map scene), which make their background even more interesting. I dont think the majority of the Engineer species is hostile to humans and would welcome them.

Only a small group within them,see us as a threat, which are privileged or have a high authority and bacically guide the whole Engineer species like politicians and big companies do with humanity.

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