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The developed Burster.

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Engineer Tech Brett

May-27-2017 11:36 AM

The Developed Chestburster

I’ve been thinking recently about how some have argued about the Chestburster in Alien Covenant. One of the points that stuck with me is how developed the chestburster is in terms of arms, legs and whatever else. It was argued that it was too developed.

So to begin with, we should look at each from the films then see what we have to work with.

 

Alien

Snake like and not very developed.

 

Aliens

Snake like with arms.

 

Alien3

Fully developed, just not in size

Queen has arms

 

Alien R

Just like first film

 

Prometheus

Fully developed, don't know what size it will grow too.

 

Alien C

 

All fully developed just like prometheus/Alien3 and we know what size they grow too.

 

 

Are the arguments about the development well placed? 

Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.

26 Responses to The developed Burster.

Starlogger

May-27-2017 11:50 AM

Just made a new thread after seeing it for the very first time finally, and I cannot forgive the CB in this one. All the other seemed faux pas' were not all that significant to me, but that one just seemed out of place and juvenile, and not well thought out.

Fairly better defense, though, when looking at it from the perspective of all the movies, however only A1, Prometheus and A:c are canon, so...

Engineer Tech Brett

May-27-2017 12:05 PM

@Starlogger

Thats what I am sort of getting at, they all different. 

Keeping with Alien, Prometheus and Alien Covenant then Alien is the one thats out of place even though its the first. The first chestburster was just a late bloomer compared to the others. We should know where we stand when Alien Awakening comes out.

Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.

Lone

May-27-2017 12:38 PM

When I first saw that scene I thought hmm that's interesting.

Now I really get it and love it! Here's why...

Ridley originally wanted the Alien Chestburster to have arms, so that it would look more like the adult alien, but then decided it didn't quite look right. 

The A:C burster is based on a Giger design, therefore nod to H.R.

It has a translucent appearance, a nod to the original alien translucent suit design, which had to be discarded because the latex available at the time was too fragile. [I would have thought that the adult Proto-morb should have had the translucent appearance too?]

Finally, I think Ridley is showing us what he would have done in ALIEN had there been better practical materials and CGI at the time. The Chestbursters from the non-Scott movies need not be taken into account as this is his vision. 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Engineer Tech Brett

May-27-2017 12:41 PM

@Lone

Thank you for the reply to the thread. (A thank you to Starlogger aswell)

My thinking behind the development is that in the three films that Ridley has done, it appears that the Alien shroud be quite progressed. 

Ridley originally wanted the Alien Chestburster to have arms, so that it would look more like the adult alien, but then decided it didn't look right. 

The A:C burster is based on a Giger design, therefore nod to H.R.

 

I think you are right on this point.

Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.

Lone

May-27-2017 12:51 PM

I know some people have complained about a few of the nods and references to the Franchise in A:C, but for the most part I think they work well.

I love how Ridley slipped in some unused ALIEN concepts and other things he always wanted to include, why the hell shouldn't he....he now has all the tools necessary at his fingertips to fulfill his dreams! 

...and we are lucky enough to have seen them! ;)

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Starlogger

May-27-2017 12:57 PM

@Lone You know, I do remember quite well all that now, with several behind the scenes interviews with Ridley. So, thanks so much for the reminder. Ich verstehe jetzt.

Lone

May-27-2017 12:58 PM

You're welcome :)

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Engineer Tech Brett

May-27-2017 1:04 PM

@Lone

I've said already on this forum that I really enjoyed the film and that some of the complaints are unwarranted.  On the second and third viewing I enjoyed it a bit more. I trust Ridley in making these films and I'm not seeing much wrong.

I understand that there are fans that had all these concepts about what the Alien was, its home planet, Queens etc and that they are now disappointed that they won't get what they want. It is a shame.

 

Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.

Starlogger

May-27-2017 1:26 PM

@Engineer Tech Brett

Yes, you said it on that last paragraph. It is a shame. Once again, we're gonna have the "Aliens" crowd versus the "Alien/Prometheus" Crowd. It's always been that way.

Engineer Tech Brett

May-27-2017 2:11 PM

@Starlogger

I love Aliens but if I have to choose its going to be Alien.

Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.

Lone

May-27-2017 3:41 PM

Alien and Prometheus for me guys!

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Lone

May-27-2017 3:48 PM

@Engineer Tech Brett

My first viewing was ruined by bloody noisy, munching, slurping people who kept getting up and going to the loo or to buy more drinks and food, blocking my view as they did so.

Would you believe there were people arriving, ten, twenty and even half an hour after the start of the film...WTF??

That resulted in me missing some key scenes and dialogue. Second and third viewings I'm up to speed and feeling much better about the film overall. Thank God!!

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Starlogger

May-27-2017 3:54 PM

@Lone Ugh. THAT is the stuff that is ruining cinemas and the reason I would rather watch it on someone's WELL DONE, monster home theater system (150" PLUS, with 9.1/2 or 11.1/2 surround sound) than to go to the theater nowadays. THAT, and the inconsiderate BASTARDS and BITCHES (yeah, I said that) that think their phones are so important that they cannot turn them off inside the theater during a movie.

Fortunately, my first viewing was so ill attended (less than 15 people) that I didn't have to contend with what you did, Lone, BUT the WHOLE LEFT SIDE of the screen was out of focus the entire time.

And the movie houses wonder why theaters are going the way of the dinosaurs?

Engineer Tech Brett

May-27-2017 3:58 PM

@Lone

That would drive me nuts.I hate people who make noise during films. Really hate people who can't sit still or even worse ask questions instead of just watching and finding out.

Im glad you got a much better viewing second and third time round. It is a film that does get better the more you watch it.

Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.

Ati

May-27-2017 3:58 PM

Engineer Tech Brett - Awesome thread! Please, contribute more! We need you. I totally agree with you. All the complaints I've read so far are ridiculous. I think it's not a problem if somebody does not like the movie, but bashing it in every second thread trying to manipulate others is not a fan activity but troll activity.

If you are a fan with negative opinion, you wait a month and share, ok, hundred times a day, no problem. But doing it after one week its release reveals that you have other obvious intentions.

Starlogger

May-27-2017 4:02 PM

@Ati WELL said! I'd give you a standing ovation if I could.

 

Well, actually I just did in the privacy of my own flat...

Lone

May-27-2017 4:03 PM

My biggest bugbear is that I live in the so-called oil capital of Europe [grey, depressing, culture-less dump more like] yet there is not one bloody IMAX cinema!!

Even the daylight scenes looked like night-time. I never got a very good look at the adult Proto or many other things because of that. 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Ati

May-27-2017 4:06 PM

Starlogger, :D

Lone, :D :D

Lone

May-27-2017 4:10 PM

Ati~ "Right!!" :D

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Ati

May-27-2017 4:19 PM

When I watched the movie, it was everything OK, with one exception: the guy behind me had used a terrible deodorant spray before his cinema visit. :D

IT WAS TERRRIBLE!

Engineer Tech Brett

May-27-2017 4:20 PM

@Ati

Thank you. I do plan on staying around a bit longer this time round. I must admit, I did miss visiting this site in the time between Prometheus and Covenant.

Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.

Ati

May-27-2017 4:32 PM

Brett, I'm happy. As I said above, we need you.

Lone

May-27-2017 4:35 PM

Yeah, great to have you back again ETB!!

...and apologies for going off topic with my little rant!

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Engineer Tech Brett

May-27-2017 4:44 PM

@Ati,

I look forward to speaking to you all a bit more.

 

@Lone,

Its good to be back. I don't mind people going off topic.

Viddy well, little brother. Viddy well.

Blackwinter-witch

May-27-2017 5:02 PM

As for theatres for us, it's an hour's drive to the nearest. Then there's dealing with in-city traffic. Then there's the insane prices and fellow theatre patrons.

We've decided to wait, watch it at home, save ourselves a ton of cash and avoid the chances of a lovely traffic collision.

Also, they won't us order pizza, open wine/beer/etc, or bring our swarm of cats and outnumbered dog into the theatre. :D

Okay so it's not Cinema Screen experience, but it's far more enjoyable as there's less hassles, nuisances and no smart-phone junkies.

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

Vampire14

May-28-2017 2:07 AM

Hey guys 
I'm fairly new here - thanks to the other-worldly brilliance that was Prometheus and the time waiting for the long awaited follow-up Alien: Covenant. I've always been an Alien and Sigourney fan, appreciating the in-between attempts - SW being the main reason why I kept holding on (dare I say I did enjoy A3 a tad). 

Ive been reading and taking in as much info like a giant Engineer-sized sponge, and I have to say that all of you wonderful contributors in this thread are the most informative and thought provoking. 
So I'm here to say I'm going to follow you all and see what I may be able to contribute myself. 

So far I'm liking your thoughts and positive attitudes towards the amazing Alien Canon legacy films. I too do think that AC was Ridley's ability to bring his original vision of the Xeno Alien to fruition. What can be achieved now is a big leap from the late 70's, and now that he's back in the driver's seat I say let his creativity soar!

All I know is that I'm eagerly awaiting the Blu-ray release (just like I did for Prometheus) so that I can immerse myself into the whole film's creative process. I'm also hoping for some deleted or alternative scenes that will provide my ever insatiable yearnings for the Engineers and their fate/history. With my eagerness to seek more of this world I will be soon reading the AC Novelisation, as from what I've read it looks like there was more leanings towards the Prometheus connection and the more direct hints to the origins of the Xenomorph (I'm of the opinion that David simply copied/added to or even just replicated the Alien eggs etc. I would far prefer that the Engineers were the originators, as their mystery just intrigues me to no end! The novel apparently almost states that he admitted to Walter or Oram that he was in awe of what 'they' [Engineers] created, as we all know that he is wildly obsessed with an ability to create and his tendency to mislead).

Once again thanks for providing some great insights and knowledgeable information - it doesn't go unnoticed!

Off I go to lose myself in the many YouTube entires and the glorious soundtrack by a fellow Australian.

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