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Awakening: The Next Step

SenseOfDoubt

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Posted May-25-2017 9:34 AM

I believe Ridley has already given us plenty of clues as to where Alien : Awakening is heading. He's quoted as saying he's looking at a War of the Worlds scenario - We'll there's no stronger indication than the Covenant poster with the Xeno's and Engineers... Clever forward thinking?

I believe David will probably visit the "real" Engineers' homeworld (if he hasn't already, in the intervening 10 years) to unleash his fury, and I also believe Ridley will bring back Walter, and the first of many Engineers.

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sherris

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Posted May-25-2017 10:11 AM

my scenario would be that it is walter who was left on the planet.

the elders turn up at the planet in the teardrop.

they meet walter 

as our creators  - the elders set out to help walter 

the elders send their other creations the engineers 223 to intercept the covenant

it ends up on the planet origae 6 - the engineers 223 vs davids xenos.

the teardrop and walter are involved at a later stage

 

this would link the engineers, give us our answers we are craving and still contains xenos and a.i which fox hold dear.

i have missed a lot out as its only the broad strokes at the minute but im planning on delivering a detailed plan over the next few weeks. i have two directions which im writing, the one above plus another on a different (ish) tip

 

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

PickleBack

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Posted May-25-2017 10:43 AM

What would be your reason for the Engineers to help Walter? Do you think the Engineers still want to destroy humanity? Are you referring to the Elders at the beginning of Prometheus? 

Membrane

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Posted May-25-2017 10:52 AM

IF Ridley Scott still plans to do 'Alien: Awakening'.  Remember, he recently implied Neill Blomkamp's 'Alien 5' was 'Awakening', not his next movie... or was he trying to confuse us?  Well, count me as someone not sure.

And if it is his plan, will Fox Studios really allow an "interquel"?  That is a strange way to do movie chronology.  Sorry, I'm dubbing the movie that would be placed between 'Prometheus' and 'Alien: Covenant' as the "interquel" because I've never heard of such a thing.

If Scott and Fox had plans laid out as it seems like they have since they are already writing the next movie and Scott is talking about doing principal photography within 14 months, was this "interquel" always a part of the plan?

Here is what I "hear" Scott saying to Fox a couple years ago... :-)

Scott - "Oh, so the critics of 'Prometheus' wanted more Xenomorphs?  Okay, I will throw them all in even if I thought they were cooked with an apple in their mouth... the facehugger, the chestburster and the big boy.  Oh, what's this... cool, a neat idea on another alien... the Neomorph.  Yeah, let's throw guy in too.  I like the spore thingy idea.  But let's not dismiss those who liked 'Prometheus'.  I will give a little bit of the philosophical aspect and a smidgen of the Engineers from 'Prometheus' to them as well so I don't upset those who liked that direction.  We have to figure out who made the Xenomorph because that was always my plan with these movies before 'Alien' and as I've always surmised in 'Alien' and 'Blade Runner', AI is dangerous if not constrained properly, so we'll have to do something with that... David is insane and creates the Xenomorph... yay!  There, that will get the Xenomorph-lovin' fans back on board with the franchise, but it MAY leave some of the Engineer and creation idea-lovin' fans out in the cold, so we'll bring them back in with... wait for it... an INTERQUEL!  'Alien: Awakening' because you have to be fully awake to even remotely understand how my 79 year old brain is working, mind you.  Huh?  Oh, that's right... 'Alien'.  Ummm, then we'll make a sequel to 'Alien: Covenant' which is really a direct prequel to 'Alien' because you know we have to, literally, quite unquestionably, return, 180 degrees from the flip side, back into the rear of that one."

Fox Studios - "Brilliant."

In all seriousness, I really like Ridley Scott's work.  I just don't know about this bouncing around thing with the movies and the chronology of events, if that is what they plan to do.  It will be interesting to see what transpires.

sherris

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Posted May-25-2017 11:00 AM

yes the elders from the begining of Prometheus.

i would say the elders are the "gods"

they created the engineers 223 as the ultimate designer baby - these beings link with civilisations, report their findings, they eradicate planets when the elders command them. every few thousand years or whatever they have to give their life in the order of creation. the elders command them to sacrifice as at start of prometheus.

a faction of these beings, like the engineers 223 possibly rebelled, not wanting to give their life in the order of creation.

it was this faction that wanted to destroy humanity and all humanoid creations (in a similar way to david) it was these who were coming to earth, only this time it wasnt under the orders of the elders it was revenge. aimed at destroying their creations.

creator / creation theme that is running through this

there are many ways to take things depending on what piece of the story 

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

claudius

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Posted May-25-2017 11:44 AM

i think it s a huge problem that alien dont do weel at box office and next alien movie will be delayed years

BigDave

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Posted May-25-2017 1:38 PM

@sherris

I agree this is potentially what it appeared to be.. there certainly was a Rebellion, the Sacrificial Engineer looked the same, the Engineers are Paradise are supposed to be the same LOL

It all seems to hint at a Sacrificial Purpose for these Engineers that a group of them rebelled against.

As far as the OT... maybe Wishful thinking.. but there is Hope..

Because RS said in a interview a few weeks ago, that the movies have to be about One String of Thread... and thats HIM (Xenomorph) and to not get sidetracked by other side plots or Paralleled/expanded stories.

This to me seems to show that the Engineers are not longer important, and its about David, AI and Xenomorph...  The War of Worlds Comment to me seems to be looking at a eventual threat of bringing the Xenomorph Home to Earth.

He did say Blomkamps movie was to be called Alien Awakening and we know from what was released when Blomkamp showed his concepts, was to showcase that some 20 years after Alien a Asian Company had obtained the Derelict or another Engineer ship and had brought it to a Outpost to experiment upon it...  Ripley and Co are brought in to basically Stop the Xenomorph from falling into the wrong hands.

There was a rumor the movie could have been called Hell on Earth too.

I think this means we are getting eventually a AVPR Reboot... as far as Aliens vs Androids lol On Earth.... you have been warned ;)

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

Tom

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Posted May-25-2017 2:59 PM

The sequel to alien covenant will most likely be just David on that planet they were headed to, with that entire huge ship as his lab, creating a ton of different xenomorph types from all the meatbags he has on ice. Then he runs low on goo, so somehow he gets back to lv-223 to get more black goo From another juggernaut, but he gets infected somehow as he's leaving with the ship by one of his own creations and crashes that juggernaut onto lv-426, where he sends out a distress call, but too late, it bursts out of his chest and lays a shitload of eggs in the crashed ship, then scurries off into the night. Viola, David is the space jockey from Alien. And boom, the first "true" biomech alien is born from everyone's favorite android.

QueenElizabethShaw

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Posted May-25-2017 3:11 PM

claudius

Don't buy into those weekend debut articles about Alien: Covenant not doing well. They were just looking to put out a superficially juicy story to get ad clicks for their sponsors.

The figures really aren't that bad. When Prometheus came out there were early reports of it not doing as well as was expected, then when all was said and done, it surpassed expectations.

c.Jam

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Posted May-25-2017 3:33 PM

If they are smart, I envision Alien: Awakening as a continuous haunted house horror show of David awakening groups of colonists and infecting them to watch/direct their evolution with all that advanced equipment. This gets us TRULY back to an Alien/Aliens style haunted house action piece, hopefully with some exterior ship fights, etc. David makes it to Origae-7 or..... 

Then the third film in the trilogy is focused on following David to find the Engineers and/or going back to the planet from Prometheus to send ships to Earth and any other human habitats full of the facehugger eggs. At this point, Weyland/Yutani knows what's going on and is tracking the situation. Toward the end of movie three, Weyland re-routes the Nostromo to LV-426 to secure a specimen without David/Engineer interference.

 

BigDave

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Posted May-25-2017 6:05 PM

Well having listened to RS Interview with Empire Magazine, i think it paints a picture, a few things to note..

*Ridley sidetracks the Question regarding a Queen within the context of his plans as Canon... this could mean that RS may even be attempting to Ret-con Aliens but we cant guarantee this.  Ridley just changes the subject of a Queen to how the whole Alien Franchise after Alien was just a Shoot-em-up Action movies... it appears that he has other ideas for Eggs than Queens.

*Which brings me to that... Ridley seems to dislike the Shoot-em kind of flicks which he refers to the other Alien movies, even going as far as to say its S%£&..... by that the concept... which is Action movies and showing the Alien off too much, which he referred to how his Alien worked because you never saw it much on screen.. but other movies had cooked it because it was in the open.

This while being a bit hypocritical... because Alien Covenant cooked the Xenomorph and was more that Shoot-em-up than Alien 3 was... his comments to point to that the Alien lost its magic in having it shown to much and to clear, and then having multiple Aliens and Action Scenes trying to kill them..  This is a good point.. but then if he wants to do a War of the Worlds... surely thats over-cooking it into the AVP Movies Territories.

*Ridley Scott seemed a bit hesitant when asked about if there will be one or more sequels.. this could hint at the next movie maybe could lead to Alien but then maybe it needs another, which could suggest that unless a 3rd movie is a prequel of sorts... then the idea they have could tie to Alien in One movie if its a long Movie, but that maybe spreading it across 2 movies is the way to go.

*He confirms that while the original idea was the Engineers created it, they have changed this to David creating it via Engineers Black Goo, and that the Organism we seen so far will Evolve into the one in Alien.

*Ridley kind of let slip about Daniels, when asked about Shaw... he claimed that the originals was unique with Ripley being in the 4 movies...  to me it seems the ending of AC does not bold well for Daniels.

*Ridley also mentions about the Covenant ship and mission that was to set up a new colony and in context to how he mentions this in regards to what goes next... in some way seems to hint that indeed David is prepared to travel to Origae-6 which is a very odd Choice..  As surely he would be better off going to LV-223.  The only logical conclusion is David now views the Xenomorph as his prime interest and that going to Earth or LV-223 may be a little too close to Home..

And that there must be a way from the TWO Face-Huggers that these would provide him with a chance to create Many Eggs/Organisms so he can prepare his Weapons to Perfection and Quantity away from the Doorstep of where Mankind could come and investigate... hence his Walter Message... so as to put the company off his tracks... thus leaving him 7 years + away and time to grow his Army.

AND SO.....

This leads me to think that indeed David will be traveling to their destination which they will arrive in the year December 2111 or January 2112 where then David would have to dispose of Daniels... and then maybe he would wait for the crew to go down to their new World before he begins his experiments... well unleashes his new Creation.  Or does he slowly build up a Army on route...

But surely the next movie will not be about David unleashing large numbers of Xenomorphs going after large numbers of colonists on the Covenant ship.... as this falls directly into the Shoot-em-up Territory that Ridley is not a fan of.

As mentioned before,  Ridley seemed unsure if there would be 1 or 2 more movies before reaching Alien, which we know would need him to get to LV-426 with a Engineer Ship.. unless there is a ship there and David just plants the Eggs but that would be a bit dumb... and also what of the Chest Buster Hole?

So logically this means David would have to go back to LV-223 at some point... which if they are going to Origae-6 in the next movie, would mean indeed it may need another movie that deals with getting from Origae-6 to LV-223 and end up on LV-426

Unless by pure Coincidence Origae-6 is another Engineer World. But Ridleys other single thread comment seems to hint to me that its all about David, AI and the Xenomorph, which has some evolving to do... and also to become more Bio-Mechanical.

Oh another thing he confirmed in the Interview is that David indeed Stole Walters Clothes and Injured himself to appear as Walter.

 

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

cryofodder

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Posted May-25-2017 6:35 PM

The colonization mission of the Covenant continues...they settle into the new world and all hell breaks loose!

airshaft_surprise

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Posted May-25-2017 7:21 PM

David heads back to lv-223? It seems a long trip to Origae6 with only a few facehugger embryo's,

if daniels is the terraforming expert that means that origae is not suitable for habitation yet.

Like has been mentioned before, everything is there, black goo, more juggernauts and possibly the deacon is still alive on 223 and it is closer to earth just speculating.

BigDave

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Posted May-25-2017 7:35 PM

@airshaft_surprise

Thats what i assumed, before the Empire RS Podcast, i think we logically had to look at Davids Agenda... not the crew.

David has...

*Two Face Hugger Embryos, thus TWO Xenomorphs... we however dont know how the Xenomorphs Procreate and so do they Egg Morph or a Queen (i doubt) as if not... then David would ideally go to LV-223 instead...

*If David creates those Eggs on the Derelict then we are going to at some point end up back near LV-426, which i think its a bit of a Coincidence if David or someone else with his Eggs arrive and end up on LV-426 if they was going to some place else (i.e not LV-223).   I think its a long winded approach to go to Origae-6 which is 7 years away from where ever the Covenant is at the end of the Movie. To then travel back and then go to LV-223 would be a bit long winded.

The other option being that Origae-6 just by Coincidence is a Engineer World. with Engineer Ships...

And so i feel David going to LV-223 instead is the most logical outcome.. but who knows what RS and FOX plans are.

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

airshaft_surprise

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Posted May-25-2017 8:05 PM

@BigDave, When the end credits came up on the screen the first thing that came up in my thoughts was: I bet david alters course and heads to the zeta-reticuli system, after weighing things up, if i was david8 thats what i would do, it just makes sense to me, but i could be wrong, it would be good to see if thats what happens.

Molecular

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Posted Jul-02-2017 9:31 PM

Nice topic! I thought I read somewhere that Origae6 was short for Original Alien planet (LV426). If the colonists were indeed heading to LV-426, then the Engineers, a follow-up ship from Earth, and I think Ridley said yet another party- all converge there and of course mayhem ensues. Maybe it ends with one of David's newer facehuggers infecting him as he attempts to take hundreds of these newer generation eggs to Earth. Here's the thing though- if the Xeno in it's "final" form is more machine-like and can infect an android, then why didn't the Xeno attack Ash?

Molecular

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Posted Jul-02-2017 9:37 PM

Oh! And another thing... if all of this really goes down on LV-426, then this would mean it was a paradise whose atmosphere gets fucked by this "War of the Worlds" scenario. Because remember, the Covenant captain felt that the Engineer homeworld was very similar to ORIGAE6 so heading there instead was just as good an option.

Molecular

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Posted Jul-02-2017 9:37 PM

Oh! And another thing... if all of this really goes down on LV-426, then this would mean it was a paradise whose atmosphere gets fucked by this "War of the Worlds" scenario. Because remember, the Covenant captain felt that the Engineer homeworld was very similar to ORIGAE6 so heading there instead was just as good an option.

TheXenoneoprotomorph

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Posted Jul-03-2017 8:24 AM

Sherris, I have to say that I really like your pitch/synopsis, really wish Fox and Scott go with something similar to that. 

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Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott’s 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.

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