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Confused about the Engineers

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Nugs

May-25-2017 4:05 AM

Why do we keep referring to the race of indigenous people on Covenant as engineers? We have all decided they look nothing like the "engineers" from Prometheus, nor do they possess any of the technology displayed in Prometheus.  Minor annoyance but another hole in the otherwise good movie.

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Parkerparrot

May-25-2017 9:29 AM

Nugs!

Exactly my thoughts! I totaly agree. I do not believe them to be Engineers, but some other kind of humanoids.

Ridley himself has said at some point that there are several humanoid species (four or more?) In this universe and I think that those people on paradise is one of those. And then we have to ask ourselves why David bomb them if they are not Engineers nor humans... Maybe it's because he consider them part of humanity, that can't be allowed to spread across the universe?

              "Bees have hives, man" 

sherris

May-25-2017 10:30 AM

i totally agree too!

i have been lucky enough to watch covenant at home over the last few days and have been through it again and i found no evidence or dialect connecting these beings as engineers.

the beings seem to wave and also i paused it and just before it cuts out i think there is a seperate group coming from a different area and these seem to be putting their left hand in the air. almost as if it was some sort of greeting or salute/respect marker. im not certain they arent just raising their hands but it looks like a sort of sign to me. 

ill watch it again in a bit and have another look.

but regardless of that im sticking with the theory these are beings created the same way as the prometheus intro

and that means that the planet is NOT paradise ????

of course we have the scrolls but little else as real evidence.

i think it all stems from the empire magazine coverage

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

QueenElizabethShaw

May-25-2017 11:14 AM

According to Ridley Scott, the beings David bombed were in fact engineers. He addresses this in the recent podcast with Empire magazine and he also indicates that David DID create the original xenomorph, not the engineers.

The podcast can be listened to here and both of these admissions are discussed between the time stamps
26:25 - 27:36.

Membrane

May-25-2017 11:45 AM

Ha!  @QueenElizabethShaw, Ridley Scott may very well change his response for the next movie.  He is known to do it, and quite frequently too. :-)

Nugs

May-25-2017 11:53 AM

Glad I'm not the only one confused. If the bald fellas where engineers in Covenant, did they de-evolve? The technology was not there other then the docking ship.  I suspect they were no more engineer then the crew of the Covenant.  Maybe share some DNA but not straight up Engineer.  So I cannot believe that the planet is the engineer home world.  I suspect they visit from time to time based on the lack of surprise to see the Derilict and the fact it has a docking vessel in place. I would like to hear more theories on why they visit, and for what purpose.  I hope the pieces are eventually connected and revealed.  The Xeno is a little old, the Engineer intrigue is what interests me.

 

Gralen

May-25-2017 12:49 PM

Keep in mind millions of years passed after the sacrificial Engineer scene. So its not far fetched they have physiology evolved like humans.

The real question is do they still posses their great technology from the past, numerous active outposts and how many are still around there.

 

This reminds me of the Rakata from the TOR. Once a great space faring race this species devolved over millenias and only existed on their inital homeworld but in the past they inhabited hundreds of worlds.

Same fate for the Engineers maybe and an opportunity of swapped roles (now the humans + their AI are more advanced and have the weapon-advantage)

BigDave

May-25-2017 1:54 PM

The 4 or more Races, was not by RS it was from information i passed on over 2 years ago regarding a supposed information on Prometheus 2 where Mankind is like 4th/5th generation of our kind and all Biblical Events regarding Gods Punishments to Mankind are to be take as having a happened but just not to modern Mankind.

RS had however a few weeks prior to AC in March, he mentioned about the Hall of Heads Guys being Wise-men, Apostles and Superior Beings and then regarding Engineers he refereed to them as having many different variations  and someone else in Production or RS referred them to being a Civilization rather than a Race.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Nugs

May-25-2017 2:26 PM

Thanks All for the feedback!  I know I could just be looking way to far into it but I just do not want to believe that RS and the rest of the writers would treat the engineers in such a lackadaisical fashion after putting so much emphasis in them for Prometheus. And their look alone would not be overlooked in Covenant if they were indeed true engineers. I will stop beating this dead horse but I am very much hoping for answers in the next movie.  Hate it or love it the Prometheus story left a lot to think/philosophy about!!  Awesom forum. I'm very new to it and it is great reading so many smart/thought out theories here. Thanks again

QueenElizabethShaw

May-25-2017 2:26 PM

BigDave

Thanks for clearing that up. It makes a lot more sense and fits with the concept some have suggested about the Prometheus style engineers being a class groomed for military and deep space operations. Still very curious to find out whether or not the Prometheus style engineers are genetically altered to be larger and have bio-mech characteristics.

Genetic modification seems like something our own civilization will eventually start doing to soldiers in instances where the warfare cannot be automated.

Parkerparrot

May-25-2017 2:29 PM

I knew I read that some where!! OK, not RS but second best? Lol!

              "Bees have hives, man" 

AdamPD

May-25-2017 6:07 PM

" The technology was not there other then the docking ship"

But we don't know that.

Where did the docking ship come from? Was it underground, or behind a mountain, or in orbit?

The engineers tech, at least from what we've seen on planets, seems to be integrated into the buildings and stonework, like in Prometheus.

In AC, Davids lab is lit up with lights, so there's obviously power of some kind on the planet, unless Shaw brought a small generator, or battery that lasts 10+ years with her.

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