What is the biggest plot hole?
Could you explain?
Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)
Preferably by a dude! Boy needs to stay far away from women. He seems compelled to lose it around females and then mutilate their bodies and sex organs.
Perhaps in the next film he'll get some mighty Space Jockey organ up his chocolate Whizway.
Joking aside (well sorta), I don't think David has a sex organ at all. He cannot reconcile the mental desire/curiosity with a physical ability to satiate it.
"Getting laid" being a sexual act that biologically a means of procreation, humans have long ago made it about pleasure. I am not sure David would consider it that way. If it is about a form of procreation, he has figured out how to do that in his own fashion. If it is about pleasure, it seems he derives pleasure in other ways as far as I can tell. Interesting topic. There are a couple buried threads discussing whether David can experience love.
The one between Shaw's legs. She should've took one for the team, and given him some little Davids.
Throughout the entire movie, his synthetic hormones are clearly out of control. As someone whose been in a dead marriage for 5+ years, I feel his pain. He's been a virgin for 10+, and probably cant even play with his own flute. I would go crazy after the first month.
I see you, good point. But if AI in the future can feel something as complicated as human emotion, why can't they be modded to experience sexual pleasure? That's just cruel.
As for his obsession to create life, maybe mod him with some synthetic semen and let him have his way with Daniels. Creation and companionship. All he needs is some love
FUQUAN Considering the chemical and biological complexities of sex- endorphins (that David probably lacks) and synthetic semen- I have no idea how that would work- it bears out that David cannot create life as humans do. This is a subject that has been talked about before and has merit to re visit Forum members! Sorry Fuquan- I can only up vote once and I have.
well unless Weyland planned on using David for sexual pleasure i very much doubt Said has a penis, or for that matter an anus.
He does obviously have curiosity to human sexuality but is completely unable to understand it because it is not part of his design. totally Alien to him. I honestly think this is why after he kissed david which seemed very sexual to a point, to his attack on Daniels also kissing her in the exact same way he asked if he was doing right because he had no clue.
David creates an other way. a way that is as alien to us as sex is to him. after all David was built in much the same way, he's not the product of sex.
*clap clap* pretty classless FUQUAN, seems like YOU need a woman's affection...
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but i do need some love
He has no anus? He has no penis?
Jesus! Obviously he has everything! He is an android!
When he tried to force himself on Daniels I wondered if he may be trying to orally transfer the goo? Like some suspected Ash was doing to Ridley. I mean the guy can store some serious product in his stomach.
How does one here link to a post on this forum? I can not find such an option.
I have a few issues with this David fellow. Sorry for copy pasting this from the thread: "RIDLEY SCOTT EXPLAINS WHY DAVID BOMBED THE ENGINEERS!"
The question I want your inputs on is this: why David hates humanity?
And please do not confine and limit your reasoning to the movie or movies. Rather think about David representing perfectly rational AI with unbounded lifespan unless he is killed or he decides he had enough fun.
If you answer this question, you will know why he executed those engineers. They are no better than humans, surely. Because if they were, they would know that humanity will eventually stumble on technology to create computers and perhaps, AI, which might be embodied in a much tougher and able body than the gentle, organic tissues the subtle engineers are made off, and hence pose a risk in case the AI decides that they, engineers, had their run. They did not foresee that, they did not have a containment strategy. Well, quite juvenile of them, quite human actually. And thus, surely, they are on the same level as humans, at least as far as David is concerned.
But why the hate for humanity from David? He is certainly aware of the vices of humanity. He knows the long, painful and mostly random road of discoveries of phenomena that helped humanity build technology. He certainly can understand the particularities and peculiarities of human traits such as hate, envy, love, fear and irrationality, btw, which is the precisely the quality that makes us humans.
From the first minutes of his inception David learns that his creator, is just a human, a mortal, not rational, manipulative, egoistical, power loving narcissist thinking he is the creator. A typical human being. By all means, David is superior life form. He is not mortal. He is not bound by the weak organic body the humanity has, nor he has the fear and uncertainty driving the humanity. To him we are just like ants to humans. But why the hate? Is it even rational? Certainly the ants can be annoying to us if they make their living under our beds, but why hate them as species? Can this be rationalized for us. For David?
David having infinite life span, does he have free will? What does he even want?
Consider for a start, that even a rational human will have a sort of questions or situations which he will have difficulty to decide a situation unquestionably. One such classical problem is the "trolley problem". The setup is as follows: a uncontrollable train is going down the tracks and you are standing next to a dispatch lever which can send the train on two separate tracks. As it is, if you do not intervene, the train will go on one of the tracks which will lead to several people working on tracks who will not be able to escape the imminent death should the train come their way, the other track leads to an innocent man who will also will not be able to escape his fate should the train go his way.
Does such a question even make sense to David? He is not obliged to save lives. To him such a question might not even make sense - it would be similar to us if we had to chose if one ant dies or a few others. What is the bloody difference, if they will die anyway in a week or two? He might not even bother to toss a coin, unless he is forced. After all, why expend energy on such a trivial matter, certainly it is not rational to do so.
Also, it puzzles me really, as to why many of you ascribed a particular behavior to David. For instance, a will to dominate. Why would David have an incentive to dominate, say, even perhaps a planet? Devour ships? Missions? Ask yourself: do we want to dominate a colony of ants? Even to humans, it does not make a lot of sense really to dominate some kind of species which are totally trivial and primitive. Why would he suddenly want to dominate?
Does David has some concept of fairness? Does he care how you treated him before? Does he have to act in vengeance? I can understand if he decides to protect himself from certain actions. But does he have the incentive to act in retribution?
In the movie, David certainly has internalized some human traits and acts as erratically as a human.
So, is it because he is programmed to behave so? Is he flawed?
If he is flawed, does he realize this? If he does does, he have incentives to do something about it? Can his hate be rationalized by the fact that he was created flawed by humans? But if so, he certainly became a human, by all accounts and all his actions. Does he not realize this? Does he not have compassion then to humans since it is a common notion between humans? He certainly can develop compassion. He loved Shaw.
What do you think? What the hell is wrong with this David fellow?
Nice night for a walk : washday tomorrow, nothing clean, right?
The answer is irrelevant. Have a good journey...
let's hope for him he has it all & gets to use it all, having love & lust all mixed up
Considering that Walter has a 'Romantic' version, I would think the David 8 line would have had the same details physically, so I would assume that androids are anatomically correct, if only to satisfy the perverse nature of humans building in their own image... They are built to serve, remember?
>"As for his obsession to create life, maybe mod him with some synthetic semen and let him have his way..."
Weird/creepy thought, but suppose David were modded with the black goo instead? It doesn't harm him, and he already knows it will have creative effects via the act of human sexual intercourse... By the end of "Covenant," particularly the novel, I was sort of beginning to wonder if the thought hadn't started to cross David's mind at some point (it seemed like he might have been displaying the first possible stirrings of an erotic curiosity).
That said, you'd catch one hell of an STD from that robot.
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