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Why don't the Engineers have their own form of Artificial Intelligence?

Why don't the Engineers have their own form of Artificial Intelligence?

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joylitt

May-02-2017 6:33 PM

Everything we have seen so far in the Alien series doesn't lead you to think that the Engineers have any use for Artificial Intelligence. Why is that? 

The possible answers are 1) They have it, but in their own planet of origin 2) They banned any attempts to develop one for considering it too dangerous 3) They are too proud to admit they would need the help of it 4) Their religious believes barred them from creating it 5) They had one in the past, but it went rogue starting a war against them. 6) They found out that there is not such thing as a sentient machine 7) They assimilated the artificial intelligence and now they are one with it.

Which one of these possibilities do you think might be correct.

29 Responses to Why don't the Engineers have their own form of Artificial Intelligence?

BigDave

May-02-2017 6:55 PM

I would say maybe they created it before.

But who knows, i think the Engineers or at least the Elders are very very ancient they have created Life over and over, we cant even imagine how Advanced they are, but we have to Question, as Prometheus showed us... surely as they are just Mortals who possess Advanced Technology, then did their Original Ancestors have to Evolve to create such things?

Or did they too obtain their Technology from a more Advanced Alien Race...

So looking how old these beings are, then maybe Millions of years ago they have had their own Ups and Downs as far as various Creations... maybe they have created AI in the past and barely survived the consequences of this.

We do see these beings think they are superior and have no care for Humans, we do them would be no more than a Basic Monkey, or Guinea Pig.

They would not have much of a Moral Compass, not as far as anything effecting themselves.... just as Mankind Tests on Animals, we dont view them as Humans.

so if we look at David 8 as being a Synthetic Being, well then we also look at the Replicants in Blade Runner, who are Flesh and Blood, surely they would be seen as more Human and treated as equal.. we can understand David is a Synthetic and not real.

But to Clone Humanoids and Tamper with their Memories/Brain and Genetics to limit their Life Span, is playing God its a bit more Immoral than with Androids.

Not if you view yourself as a Superior being....

And so indeed the Engineers in effect could create Organic Life instead of AI,  maybe the Engineers are like this they serve their masters and are like David or more like Replicants.

If these Engineer Replicants then Rebelled and then became Free and Sentient and Created their own Creations, they would have the Fear that their own Creations would one day Rebel against them.

 

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

joylitt

May-02-2017 7:14 PM

BigDave But if Humanity is able to create a sentient manchine and they are not, that would make us superior to them. Good comparison with Blade Runner. It is a very provocative philosophical idea to think in the possibility that your creation becomes more evolved than yourself to the point where you won't share the same objectives and moral constraints any more.

Blackwinter-witch

May-02-2017 7:17 PM

I suspect they and their AI tech melded, along the lines of Transhumanism, akin to it.

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

joylitt

May-02-2017 7:19 PM

 Russian doll type chain of creators and creatures :-)

joylitt

May-02-2017 7:22 PM

Blackwinter-witch That's one of the possibilities. Funnily enough, one of the writers of Covenant, Jack Paglen, also wrote "Transcendence"

Blackwinter-witch

May-02-2017 7:43 PM

joylitt

I didn't know that! Interesting connection. :) Especially to this overall convo, Universe seems to have a sense of humor tonight. :)

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

Black Goo Bandit

May-02-2017 9:59 PM

Maybe they are being used as artificial intelligence for the creators. 

Black Goo Bandit

May-02-2017 9:59 PM

Maybe they are being used as artificial intelligence for the creators. 

Tacomorph

May-02-2017 10:19 PM

I'm with Blackwinter on this one. A race as ancient and advanced as the Engineers most likely created AI centuries ago and eventually found a way to fuse it with organic life forms. We've seen Engineers with bio-mech suits that seamlessly meld with the Juggernauts so it stands to reason that technology might be infused with artificial intelligence.

Black Goo Bandit

May-02-2017 10:21 PM

My belief is that a race that ancient wouldn't need flesh anymore and would transfer their soul aka consciousness to some type of material that doesn't perish. 

Black Goo Bandit

May-02-2017 10:28 PM

Like memory on a phone. Once that phone gets old just switch it with a newer model. No procreation needed. Soon it will just be an upgrade and immortality will come to play. Well that's my personal belief.

joylitt

May-02-2017 10:43 PM

Well Black Goo Bandit we have seen some old Engineers in the discarded footage from "Prometheus". I have the impression that these beings, having all those temples and stuff, are bound by some kind of very strict Dogma. They can probably defeat death but they just won't (doing so would be considered anathema), and that is the reason why the Engineer in "Prometheus" reacts in such a bad way when David tells him that Weyland is asking for more life.

Black Goo Bandit

May-02-2017 11:30 PM

I think that David said something else. Something to benefit his plans. I think the elders are just elders or they might be the rebels who do not want to integrate  with technology and would rather be human or Engineer. Just like a conservative vs a liberal. Politics might still be involved, unfortunately.

Black Goo Bandit

May-02-2017 11:41 PM

I love the chatacter David but i don't think of him as trustworthy. I hope that I am wrong but we have seen what he is capable of. What his future model has done in Alien. Which in the future should be superior. I'm still guessing if Weyland is still programmed in him. I'm sorry for all the replies. I like to leave Dave for that. Lol. 

joylitt

May-02-2017 11:53 PM

Yeah I know. Imagine being in cryosleep with David wide awake all the time as your "guardian angel".

Black Goo Bandit

May-03-2017 12:07 AM

If that was David, I wouldn't mind lol 

joylitt

May-03-2017 12:09 AM

Haha, only that's the crazy lady from Paranormal activity LOL

Black Goo Bandit

May-03-2017 12:15 AM

Better than the wife lol. At least she doesn't know my paycheck. 

Black Goo Bandit

May-03-2017 12:16 AM

Not a bad movie by the way. Scared me. 

Black Goo Bandit

May-03-2017 12:21 AM

Any thoughts on either and please don't talk bout that movie.  

Blackwinter-witch

May-03-2017 12:25 AM

The Elders seen in the deleted footage are a good point, and perhaps they consider Immortality an aberration, and abhorrent, a violation of the cycle of the cosmos.
That said, integrating technology into one's body isn't that big a deal, when the tech gets advanced enough, you can have really powerful and extremely fast computer tech the size of grains of sane, now imagine a network of such, accepted into your body at birth, with a nascent AI, it and you form a Gestalt as you both grow up, both benefitting from the other and benefitting the other in assorted ways. Expand on that to microscopic drones and such throughout the body that allow melding, as seen with the skin-suit the Engineer was wearing. They'd 'connect' the skin surface to the suit on the molecular level through covalent bonding, as example, and interface the nervous system to whatever features the wearable-tech has.

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

joylitt

May-03-2017 12:33 AM

I won't lol. So you think Weyland would transfer his conscience to David. That's an interesting idea in fact. However I don't think that is the case. When he dies, David tells him "Have a good trip, Mr. Weyland". Also, I am sure that would require some kind of procedure in the lab.

joylitt

May-03-2017 12:39 AM

Blackwinter-witch  I think that's a good answer

Blackwinter-witch

May-03-2017 12:45 AM

joylitt

Thank-you!! I've been thinking a LOT about the Engineers, their tech and such and then looking around our world and people speaking of 'Singularity' and Transhumanism and such...and eventually, tools and Users become Integrated, I guess it's a form of evolution.

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

Black Goo Bandit

May-03-2017 1:10 AM

I hope these movies are about the Engineers but it won't, unfortunately. I hope thats not the case but if Weyland perrishes he will not go far. If he is as smart as we think he is, than we have another thing coming . 

Black Goo Bandit

May-03-2017 1:28 AM

Winter witch you make a good point but I have to be up soon. At this point Enginneers are just pawns. 

Blackwinter-witch

May-03-2017 1:58 AM

Black Goo Bandit
TY!!
Yeah, have a busy day ahead of me as well :)
Pawns...hmmm...yeah, I can see evidence to support such.

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

Timiteh

May-04-2017 9:48 AM

Yes, it is curious that a so called advanced species doesn't have AI. However it is frequent that advanced scifi alien species doesn't have AI. It is not necessary for transcendent races with congitives capabilities and intelligence beyond comprehension, whom so called capabilities enable them to compensate for this lack. However for species such as the engineers it is hard to understand. Engineers don't seem to have extremly advanced cognitives capabilites unless of course we only witness the most stupid of them. Overall the technology of the engineers is not that impressive and is quite disapointing.

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