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Did the Engineers Create Humans to be Livestock?

Did the Engineers Create Humans to be Livestock?

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Tacomorph

May-02-2017 12:13 PM

Is it possible in the Prometheus / Alien Covenant Universe that humans were merely created to be hosts to the Xenomorphs by the Engineers? Was David's line from Prometheus “sometimes to create, one must first destroy” foreshadowing mankind's ultimate purpose? And what of David's remark "they are waiting for mother" to Oram in the Alien Covenant egg chamber? While he studied the Engineers on the Juggernaut's voyage, did David discover mankind's destiny is simply to become vessels for the ultimate life form? Is Earth one big Xenomorph Farm waiting to happen? This could in part explain why the Engineers would have no compassion for humans if they view us as nothing but walking incubators.

27 Responses to Did the Engineers Create Humans to be Livestock?

HappyXeno

May-02-2017 1:01 PM

Love this theory, and you made some really good points. I think its possible that mankind was created to act as incubators for the xenos. However, the Destroyer Engineers wanted to wipe out humanity. This wouldn't be the case if we had a purpose. 

What's the story, MUTHUR?

Rick

May-02-2017 1:26 PM

Taco - We have brought this up several times.  Here is what we concluded.  1. Engineers didn't create humans.  We are the 4th or 5th iteration of humanoid in the Alien Universe created by a being higher up the food chain than Humans or Engineers.  2. We are the Engineers we have the same DNA as the engineers (remember the DNA check in Prometheus).  3 Regarding the comment about them waiting for "mother" refers to them (eggs or huggers) needing a host to birth the xeno.  Since mothers birth their children the analogy fits :)

Tacomorph

May-02-2017 1:56 PM

Thanks Happy!

Rick... Perhaps the Engineers were planning to exploit humans on Earth as a resource?

Rick

May-02-2017 2:12 PM

I read a while back that with there being 4-5 iterations of humanoid, and there is a war for dominance.  Kind of like survival of the fittest.  I have the feeling all the humanoids have the same base DNA like us and the engineers.  But since we grew on different planets our DNA mutated to make us more suited for the planet we are on.  I don't know how we could be used as a resource.  Since they are farther up the genetic tree then we are.

JOHNNYMORPH

May-02-2017 2:41 PM

Why would the engineers seed life on other planets, knowing that it would take tens of thousands/millions of years until the humans/humanoids would have developed enough to be ready for harvest as Xeno incubators?

The engineers who planned these actions would've died and been dead for thousands of years, so seeding other planets would be of no use to them.

Inquisitor Fifield

May-02-2017 2:54 PM

Gee I wonder who this could be behind that account, warming up all the theories and red herings already discussed and cooked several times all over again?

Blackwinter-witch

May-02-2017 3:06 PM

If Terrestrial Humanity is the most Recent, then it is possible that Humanity was intended as, say, a Labor Force. This somewhat fits to various things in Ancient Astronaut theories and some aspects of the bible as well.

While Engineers didn't create us, they may dislike us because they see us as 'new' and 'beneath them', perhaps.
They might also be frightened about how quickly terrestrial Humanity creates and advances technology, so they might feel we are an up and coming Rival to their place in the order-of-things.

Earth as a Xeno farm makes no real sense, as you're not going to start massive weapons buildup unless there's some kind of threat on the horizon.

It further makes no sense as if they wanted a Xeno farm, with their tech they could very easily have massive clone-farms to serve as host bodies to produce a truly immense amount of Xenos in a much more controllable and predictable manner.

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

Tacomorph

May-02-2017 3:08 PM

My name is Ken and I live in Cleveland. Not trying to do anything other than spark conversation about a franchise I'm excited about. I'm a little stunned by the hostility here. I'm new and haven't read every post. Is that a requirement?

BigDave

May-02-2017 3:09 PM

This is a theory that had been put before and discussed a number of times and Gavin made a Topic a few years back where he proposed that they use Humanoids to then be turned into Eggs by the Black Goo and the Engineers then Harvest the Eggs.

I had a few problems with such a theory at the time, mainly likewise as you JOHNNYMORPH pointed out....  The Process to seed worlds and return over and over until we get to Mankind is like Hundreds of Thousands, if not Hundreds of Millions of Years.... Now Spaights draft was more simple as it showed Engineer DNA+ Early Primate = Humans and so would been a event say 250'000 years ago.  Which still is a long time to invest to purely be created for the Purpose to Procreate Xenomorphs.

Does not make much sense.... but then we dont know how many hundreds or thousands of Worlds they seed life on, but even if it was 100's that are seeded at various times that span thousands of years apart...  it would still mean like 10's of thousands of years between each Harvest if you would.

The only way this makes sense is if the Engineers are created by another more Alien Race that requires their Sacrifice or that they are used to Seed this other Alien Races Offspring

So pretty much like Star Beast (Alien Original Idea) a Advanced none Humanoids Race, Create Engineers to use as Sacrificial Beings for Procreating their own kind... (Xenomorph related Aliens).

As to just be used to create a Bio-Weapon makes little sense, this especially makes less sense if the Engineers are the ones who use hosts to make this Xeno Bio-Weapon when the Black Goo is better... unless the Black Goo is a Re-weaponization.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Rick

May-02-2017 3:15 PM

Hey Ken - No hostility from the forum members unless it's from Inq Fifi.  He is our sensitive resident troll.  Try not to feed the animals too much they tend to bite.  Don't take any of the feedback personally we've had this discussion several times.  I was just bringing forth some bullet points of the discussion topics we've had and outlined them for you.  Kind of like bringing you up to speed quick and dirty.

BigDave

May-02-2017 3:20 PM

This does not have to mean we cant rule similar out...

If we look at and its a theory (one of many) that now i think holds a bit more weight, well as far as logical that the Source i had did help narrow it down to..

If we look at the Annunaki Tale, of these Godlike beings Creating/Having a Lower Caste of beings Igigi who was tasked with Mining of Gold for the Annunaki Gods, for the greater benefit of these Gods.

Then these Igigi one day rebelled against this purpose/toil and the Annunaki Gods then created Mankind to replace the Igigi in performing this task (Mining for Gold).

If we replace the Igigi with Engineers, maybe this fits and if we replace the Mining for Gold with something else...

Could this bee Seeding DNA like the Sacrificial Scene? Or something more Sinister?

The Source was the one who informed me about the 4/5 Generations of Mankind and we are like 4th/5th Generation and to not think of our Evolution as being from Apes... but that the Engineers DNA is related to this chain instead.

 

Again i cant confirm if this information was correct from over 2 years ago but a lot has added up, and this Source was the first mention of a lot of stuff including Shaws Small but important Role and TWO Xeno related Monsters.

They claimed Paradise was the Cradle of Civilization, that we are 4th or 5th Generation, that Biblical Events like Punishment by God, are events that happened but to not consider they happened to our Generation and that things are not to be directly the same as Biblical Events, but loosely... 

And that in the Biblical/Paradise Lost events, Paradise was the Place where the Garden of Eden was and Cradle of Civilization and it was located around the Iraq/Syria area on Earth.

But in context to the movie, Paradise is not in Iraq/Syria it is a separate Planet.

They was hinting indeed at other Humanoids that bridge the gap between Mankind and Engineers.

They also said Shaw finds her answers, well some but the answers she finds are far from what she wanted and are even further from the Truth as she believed her Faith Taught, in regards to the Creator and Agenda.

The Agenda she finds out is a Truly Horrific one.

And so if the Source is Correct then at one point, indeed their may have been a Sinister reason for our creation or at very least that of the Engineers.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

May-02-2017 3:26 PM

"It further makes no sense as if they wanted a Xeno farm, with their tech they could very easily have massive clone-farms to serve as host bodies  "

Well they could have done this at one point....

The Source said some of the concept work showed Pods like those the Humans are kept in the Matrix and inside was Humanoid Babies being Grown like something from Alien Resurrection.

They also said that the Engineers are more in common with David 8

Maybe the Engineers are thus Grown like Clones for a Purpose, they rebelled against this and had a War with their Creators?

Did they create Mankind to dominate over us?  Did their Creators create Mankind to replace the Engineers (like Humans being created to replace the Igigi in the Annunaki Tale).

Was Humans Favored and the intended aim for the Creators and the Engineers then got jealous and refused to accept that?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Blackwinter-witch

May-02-2017 3:40 PM

Perhaps Terrestrial Humanity is a rapidly-self-developing Biological Weapon species intended by the Higher Powers to eradicate the others in a Clean-Slate protocol?? I have no idea as to the 'why', but Terrestrial Humanity would be a good tool for the job.
That would explain why we're so aggressively violent, and so adept at rapid technological development. We're also capable of assimilating and adapting non-Human technologies to use against those who created those technologies...as David shows when he uses a Juggernaut to bomb Paradise.

 

Looking at Terrestrial Humanity, yeah, when viewed from Outside, we are a very frightening species.

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

Tacomorph

May-02-2017 3:45 PM

Rick... No offense was taken by your feedback. I'll be mindful of IF.

JOHNNYMORPH

May-02-2017 4:21 PM

With their advanced technology I would've thought the engineers would have developed weapons systems that do not rely on the xeno life-cycle.

It seems a very hazardous, time-consuming and unpredictable bio-weapon, but maybe with their superiority and technical advancements, they became arrogant and believed they could produce this new weapon and also control it safely.

Maybe the engineers were victims of their own success.

BigDave

May-02-2017 4:40 PM

Indeed of we are talking the Xenomorph then yes..

The Black Goo however is a more powerful tool, and begs the question why would they need the Xeno when they have this.

I think the answers maybe could be the Prometheus Mural, as it appears something was created that the Engineers worshiped as Perfect for some reason.

Surely cant be just as a Weapon...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Blackwinter-witch

May-02-2017 5:11 PM

The Mural MIGHT have been done as a Warning and Operational Description...equivalent to 'Danger - BIOWEAPON STORAGE' ??

The Black Goo aka The Pathogen; I suspect that it's an incredibly versatile 'tool'...one that can be programmed for almost any intended effect relative to organic life.
Including being used as a weapon, though it might not have originally been Intended as such.

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

Inquisitor Fifield

May-02-2017 5:17 PM

Yes be very mindful.

People who dont agree with every far-fetched and nonsense theory others come up with repeatedly (and write them down like probable facts with a questionmark at the end of the sentence, because thats just what they personally hope to get in the movie) are considered trolls around here by the absolutely not naive enablers of these habits.

Ati

May-02-2017 5:31 PM

Fifield - A new space monkey just for you:

:)

Inquisitor Fifield

May-02-2017 5:53 PM

If you only were as good with Alien related analysis and theories as you are with google image search, space autist.

Ati

May-02-2017 5:57 PM

Like you with the google translator... :D A new one just for you:

BigDave

May-02-2017 6:10 PM

Who would be Trolls?

I think everyone is entitled to their theories and yes lots get rehashed over and over, often because new members come to similar theories and have no idea that older Topics on this subjects exist.

We just cant be sure which theories are correct or in correct because the Franchise is constantly Evolving, people would have had ideas for the Space Jockey and Eggs before Prometheus came along and threw a kind of Curve-ball.

So then those who followed Prometheus would have seen a good basis to how this would continue until Alien Covenant has once again thrown a potential Curve-ball too.

5 Years before Prometheus i doubt many would have predicted the Space Jockey were a Humanoid Race, never mind created Mankind and played a role in Bio-Weapons that leads to or is connected to the Xenomorph.

After Prometheus who would have predicted that 5 years latter its now teased that David creates the Xenomorphs that end up on the Derelict.

We wont have no clear answers until Ridley is finished because each Project will answer some things, but then raise more Questions and i would not be surprised if we have to wait until 2020 at the earliest before we get any real clear answers.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Blackwinter-witch

May-02-2017 6:19 PM

BigDave

REALLY good, solid points!! Thinking back, yeah, I never would have guessed anything about what PROMETHEUS showed to us, I always figured the Space Jockey was something far more Exotic than an engineer in a suit...and still do, given the huge size differential, but my idea doesn't conflict with what PROMETHEUS showed us either.

Myself, I LOVE the Mystery.

*Man's giant leap was just a stumble in the dark.*

SparklingAmbien

May-02-2017 7:37 PM

Hey everyone please check all forums on every fan site prior to posting to ensure your comments are 100% original and groundbreaking. Please don't post any random thoughts or theories (unless they are factual.) Also, don't have any fun or anything like that. 

Tacomorph

May-02-2017 7:48 PM

LOL! Nice one Spark! Yeah, I better make sure I don't use too many question marks so I don't offend the delicate senses of a particular user. And fun is straight out the door from here on out. 

Seanjohn

May-02-2017 8:13 PM

Kinda see it like the engineers are the fallen angels. The beings higher than the engineers created us and loved us more than the engineers. The engineers hate us because of it. Sorta like the bible

Tacomorph

May-02-2017 8:18 PM

Nice angle Sean! I can see the Engineers being like Lucifer, "The Angel of Light" that fell from God's favor. Ridley seems to immerse himself in the supernatural aspects of the Old Testament, so you may be on the right track!

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