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The Engineer Juggernaut is a true War Machine
BigDave, the urns delivery room (below) doesn't necessarily need to be the same room as the pilot's chair and navigation.
One point is the intact navigation board and pilot's chair where the Covenant crew activated the Dr. Shaw hologram below. This is supposedly after the bombardment and the bay door opening is in another area.
There may be multiple rooms (six without the pilot/navigation room) that deliver urns through an opening like this below.
This bay opening is still open (below image) while the pilot's chair and navigation board in the Dr. Shaw hologram room (above image) are still intact on the floor of the chamber.
The floor is intact but the walls are similar to the urn delivery room above. I believe the areas you have marked as "C,D,E" may be the urns' delivery rooms on both arms of the juggernaut. See below enhanced hologram zoom.
The "C,D,E" rooms in your diagram have the same architecture as the urns' delivery room (see below zoomed holograms). Thank you again BigDave for the labeled juggernaut hologram below.
The below image is the left arm (right side of original image). See the similar entry door, walls, and circular floor. See the "D" room in a different image during the hologram turn below.
This hallway connects the compartments with similar door openings shown in the holograms.
David 8 may have stood and watched this attack from one of six rooms like this delivering urns to those below.
Impressive analysis! This represents the most concise breakdown of a Juggernaut interior I've seen to date. Well done!
It is here:
Original still from 'The Crossing':
Truly insightful and very well done work!!
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Yes....from the footage shown last week, the Juggernaut opens in the center bottom of the ship as Ati has explained :)
Really great catch Ati.
If that is the opening (s) from which the urns drop, then it still seems to be separate from the pilot's chair room because both the open bay door room and the pilot's room are both intact.
The retractable doors for the bay opening for the urns to drop through are seen in both the above and below images.
Where is this room above in relation to the pilot's navigation room below?
The Prometheus crew is the group of yellow icons on the left of the hologram image.
This image below could be the room that opens up and the urns are released from it. The location works out because it adjoins the pilot's navigation room.
The stacks of urns stored above could collapse and the magnetic field brings the urns up the walls to collect in a mass of urns ready to deliver.
There isn't much detail to observe on the outside of the juggernaut in space and flying into the valley.
Indeed this is the idea i had originally when i did those images, i noticed the hole the Covenant crew enter has to be where the Urns was dropped from..
So this was the idea i also had..
The only confusion was the Crossing Video which showed a Hole open up in the Center which lead to me being confused and editing my image to take note of how this can happen as it seemed a flaw.
This however did contradict the Pilot Chamber and so this Topic you are very correct to point this out...
I have not studied the Crossing in high detail but now you mentioned it i have looked. The Hole does not open up directly at the Center, it is off to the Right of the 3 openings a bit and its back a bit so its not Dead Center, not like the Pilot Room is.
It still does not match up 100% to the Schematics.
But then i looked at another one and made this analysis
The Red Dot is covering where the Floor opens in Alien Covenant, and the Green Circles are approximately where the Cargo Holds seemed to have been in Prometheus.
Looking at a different view of the Map of the Juggernaught i noticed that the Cargo Hold to the Right was smaller and was positioned higher than the one on the Left... i will re-watch Prometheus after do validate this.
Maybe as this Cargo Hold was raised higher, it would allow for a gap beneath it and this would explain why the Crew of the Covenant appeared to have to enter downwards to reach the level of where the Space Jockey suits are, so they climb though the Hole into the Cargo Hold that i have labeled as B then exited this to reach the Passage with the Space Jockey Suits before finally entering the Pilot Chamber on the opposite side that David and Weyland etc did in Prometheus.
The Red Arrow pointing to where it appears roughly the opening happens in AC Crossing Prologue.
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If the juggernaut is using magnetism to launch weapons, its shape is interesting, if we look at a torus, the juggernaut is kind of in the bits between top and bottom.
Could the scorpion ship be a kind of magnetic field generator?
I think you are correct Babylonxeno and great catch. I can't remember where I read it but someone explained that the Engineer technology is based on magnetism in the same way humans discovered fire and employ it.
Human technology harnesses fire through combustion, processing, etc...while the Engineers made a major discovery in regards to magnetism and this discovery drives their technology.
aye, the engineers seem to have a fuelless, silent, natural propulsion system, which is,apparently, also used for weapon delivery. That's interesting that some material mentions engineers going that route, its a similar tack to the belief that ancient egyptians had flying craft that used earth magnetism etc.
its logical, some would say, that using magnetism would be the way ahead for many things, so the engineers have a superior knowledge and technology, which then effectively becomes davids knowledge, making him supreme? He still appears to get shot down.
Excellent diagram again BigDave and I can make out the compartment in the hologram labeled "B". You're an artist, thank you.
"The Red Dot is covering where the Floor opens in Alien Covenant, and the Green Circles are approximately where the Cargo Holds seemed to have been in Prometheus."
Here is another image that shows the "B" compartment from above, enhanced.
Babylonxeno, yes he (David 8) does appear to get knocked out of the sky (below) with the juggernaut crash. I'm with BigDave on the golden structure being a dual use tech (electromagnetic) and those on the ground responded with it and the juggernaut below crash as a result. Again, who knows...
I wonder if Dr. Shaw is on the larger ship off-Paradise somewhere but who knows. I'm starting to believe this whole sequence is Alien: Awakening.
The ships docking is almost like some kind of eclipse taking place, or full moon, which draws in the population.
It is an epic event for those below so David 8 must have come up with a really convincing message to bring them out Babylonxeno.
I wonder if David drops the urns after Shaw has somehow died? The docking device might be a control station with guards on it? It might even be customs with quarantine rooms (perhaps for different spaceships coming and going with different kinds of cargo)? Engineers might board the juggernaut and kill Shaw? David then drops the urns and is shot down by some kind of defence device and the juggernaut crashes?
Another possibility might be that the humanoids on “Paradise” haven’t seen a juggernaut for about 2000 years (for many generations) and they are therefore gathered in awe? The piloting engineers all died from the outbreak on LV-223?
“The Crossing” also suggests that “Paradise” is far away (Shaw is put into hypersleep and is supposed to be awakened when they arrive). The Covenant is apparently on its way to another planet when an accident occurs and they set course for “Paradise”. Shaw is then dead and gone (I can’t imagine she is still in hypersleep) and the result of David’s experiments are awaiting them . . .
Completely off topic, but I would pay to see someone remix this video and replace the falling men, with the black goo urns and "mother nature" with davids head.
Screenshot of the urns being released and falling in a double helix pattern from a new TV spot
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"Another possibility might be that the humanoids on “Paradise” haven’t seen a juggernaut for about 2000 years (for many generations) and they are therefore gathered in awe? The piloting engineers all died from the outbreak on LV-223?"
That's the angle I'm leaning toward with what we have seen chli.
I can't thank you enough ObscureMammal for the image above.
It would be hard to be more off topic than this AdamPD.
If the urns are falling in a double helix pattern (as you suggest OM) it's really symbolic (since it's the structure of DNA). The pathogen will likely break their DNA and transform them - but then they all get electrocuted (somehow)?
Thank you again chli. The double helix fits with what we have seen with the black goo effects on DNA in Prometheus (below).
The DNA breakdown from the Engineer was from a different application (ingestion from bowl) but David 8 attacks those below with an aerosol black goo from above.
The urns are falling in a double helix and the contents of the urns might be disbursed with this large horn (trumpet) opening that the urns fall in front of.
Does this opening blow the judgment of the urns in a cloud over those below?
There seems to be a black cloud moving over the crowd below and the horn-like opening that the urns fall in front of just might disburse the aerosol black goo.
Watching this part on repeat, clumps can be seen raining down even in the last still in the upper right corner.
I also wonder about the blunt trauma force of the falling urns themselves?
dk, tough pick.
Those below can die from blunt force when an urn hits them, or burn to a crisp from close proximity to an urn detonating, or turn into a DNA morphed monster...I'm not sure but the blunt force seems like the most "humane" death from David 8.
Ingeniero Indeed getting fatally hit on the head from a high velocity urn might be considered a merciful death in that situation.
I doubt- but looking at what look like charred remains, I wonder if the goo is combustible somehow.
That image of the urns raining down looks incredible! Thanx OM.
The way they're twisting and turning like that reminds me of a magnetic force as well. Definitely must be something to that train of thought …
So if everything Geiger did was sexual innuendo, what is this like skat? The jockey chair looks like an erect penis with balls. The facehugger is clearly a vagina orifice, outer vagina lips. The juggernaut looks like two legs taking a dump in an open hole below, like skat. The alien is one big moist penis head, don't believe me, look it up, Geiger was into all sorts of kinky, dark, fetish sexual things, that even police questined his art. The Engineer gets it oral and is impregnated in Prometheus, if that is not sexual what is...creation is sexual, its nature. It's like David is shooting a load in Engineer's face or taking a dump on them..it pleases him, it makes him feel big, its gratification.