Apr-29-2017 6:59 PM
Paradise could become LV-426, but it better be a clever and careful plot twist, not something forced. As a random thought, when watching the 10-minute footage, the descent of the drop ship through the atmosphere felt like a deja vu of a similarly turbulent sequence (elevator to hell) in Aliens, so, maybe a subtle hint...
Apr-29-2017 7:11 PM
No way. LV-426 is a planetoid, much smaller in size than Paradise.
Apr-29-2017 7:13 PM
I honestly do not think this is the case. If LV-223 and LV-426 are part of the same system as we saw they were in Prometheus, then it does not make sense for David and Shaw to travel for a long time to Paradise.
If not and this is very unlikely, Paradise somehow gets transferred from it's current system to the Zeta 2 Reticuli system. I read somewhere that LV-426 might not be a native moon to the Calapomos (think that is the name of the gasgiant it is orbiting) planet, but a captured body.
On the other hand, then how could the Prometheus have a planetary designation for lv-426 already upon arrival to that system so it does not work in the timeline anyway.
Apr-29-2017 7:30 PM
There can be one more way this plays out where Paradise is LV-426 and orbiting the same planet as LV-223.
We only assume David and Shaw travel for a long time to the homeworld of the engineers because of what David tells us in the clip The Crossing. However, as some already have pointed out, what if he is lying? Another clue is in his hair. We know that his hair grows. If they were travelling for any extended period, his hair would have grown by the time they reach Paradise, but we see it has not.
So, maybee it goes like this that David and Shaw once they leave LV-223 only float through space at random, before figuring out the destination. They do not know (at least Shaw does not) that Paradise is on their doorstep. She is put to sleep so she's basically out. David can relax and contemplate his next move before deciding to go ahead and do what he intends to do. So they are always close. Shaw asked him how long it would take and his answer was it is impossible to say, but maybe he knows but does not want to share for some reason?
Apr-30-2017 9:40 AM
such an interesting topic this.
the turbulance situation is similar and the derelict seems to be in the correct position.
the planet covenant is going to is planet 4
it makes a detour to what they think is an "unchartered paradise" - now i have to wonder is that a clever use of words or a poor choice?
shaw and david apparently went to "paradise" (where they came from)
now if david and shaw reached "paradise" and it happened to be next door to the planet lv223 in prometheus and was lv426 we have to ask how weyland yutani missed this and sent prometheus to lv223?
we have heard about beings that may have the power to affect climate.
now if covenant detours and it is lv426 they arrive at, then theres a possibility of them nuking it at the end, but would that really happen to the atmosphere?
i think a more likely version could be that these beings with immense power to affect climate, decided after the events of the bombardment they would, if you like, wipe the planet clean of any life and turn it into a baron wasteland where no life can exist. (well, maybe one form)
maybe the planet was unchartered because the higher beings have the power to evade long range scans disguising the homeworld?
Take This.... This is the blood of our lord
Apr-30-2017 10:04 AM
I still think there is more to this than david going mad. Hard to speculate though as there is so much possible outcomes and reasons behind alot of the plot we have seen so far.
Cant wait until 12th :)
Apr-30-2017 10:40 AM
lots of interesting thoughts in this thread. A:C will answer a LOT of questions...AND ask a lot of new ones!
Apr-30-2017 10:56 AM
If this is the case, then the Engineer in the pilot seat found dead would not be "fossilized" (as Dallas stated in ALIEN) when the team found it. Was he incorrect? In addition, the "Space Jockey" was VERY large for an Engineer based on the height and size of the Engineer encountered in Prometheus. Could this one be a Leader? A God? And what happened to the Xenomorph that was birthed from it? This is a question I have asked repeatedly after ALIEN and ALIENS. Only the Teraform Base in ALIENS was nuked...not the entire planet. There is a fairly large missing Xenomorph somewhere on LV426...or is it another Deacon?
Apr-30-2017 11:04 AM
Interesting..After thinking it over I'm having more doubts that Paradise the engineers homeworld is LV-426...I.dont think Ridley Scott would scapegoat the series like that..
Apr-30-2017 11:17 AM
I doubt Paradise is LV-426. It's too simplistic, and Ridley is planning multiple PROMETHEUS-sequels/ALIEN-prequels after COVENANT and AWAKENING, which he said would tie-in to ALIEN "through the back door," whatever that will entail.
(Gotta love Ridley's cryptic comments)!
Apr-30-2017 11:21 AM
Paradise has to be LV-426, not sure how it could no be. I think Shaw has an active role in David's actions, maybe willingly letting David bomb the engineers and create the first queen based on her female characteristics.
Apr-30-2017 12:11 PM
I think they are giving the neomorph scenes away because this will be revealed in the end. David has been experimenting to give Shaw the gift of eternal life.
It's not a leap to believe these engineers worship a goddess rather then a god. David could have learned of a prophecy about the second coming, much like in EVERY human religion, and is seeking to fulfill it. She would be biomechanical and the 'muther' of a perfect race.
It's also important to note that Daniels is a terriformist and there is a song on the movie soundtrack called 'terraforming'. Therefore it is safe to assume Daniels terraforms this planet to age it into extinction. It probably is LV-426.
Apr-30-2017 2:12 PM
I think Shaw is the space jockey u see in alien. Some how she ends up in the suit used by the engineer's after she is faced hugged. And trys to pilot the ship out of the system, but due to an alien infestation and all the eggs on board, she crashes on to lv426 due to the chest burster killing her.