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Diversity of Engineers

Diversity of Engineers

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ptzrzdfan

Apr-22-2017 6:55 AM

Let's talk about the Engineers and their diversity: why Engineers from Prometheus movie looks a bit different to ones from Alien: Covenant? Is Planet 4 a homeworld of Engineers or just a colony? Or maybe humanoids living on Planet 4 are not Engineers?

I assume that Engineers from LV-223 are ancient military elite soldiers, who sleep for a thousands years in their cryo-pods, are awakened only for mission ( to destroy or to create).

So, humanoids on Planet 4 may be ordinary Engineers-citizens.

19 Responses to Diversity of Engineers

dk

Apr-22-2017 1:54 PM

The natives are like most people here- ultimately getting sh*t on.

Tom

Apr-22-2017 2:00 PM

If these dudes eyes were all black, like literally every other engineer we have ever seen before (from prometheus - all types - elder, sacrifice, last) , I'd be 100% that these dudes were engineers too, regardless of them liking a little funny. 

Problem is, they have this official still from the movie that clearly shows that they have very much human like eyes, which is almost like them telling us: "look - these ones are different"

so yes, they are either some other type of engineer, or they are a race apart.

either way, they are definitely related somehow, otherwise David and Shaw wouldn't have gone there right? so maybe the actual movie will fill us in.

sherris

Apr-22-2017 2:06 PM

my theory is that the beings shown in empire are a form of human.  made the same way as at the start of prometheus.

the - we come from them. i think  they do too.

they are more human than engineer.

an engineer is the pale blue, well dell defined beings from prometheus. they were CREATED by the elders (the deleted intro from prometheus) these beings were created to seed the galaxy.  

they have no sexual orientation. they have no need to reproduce.

that is why there are no females.  we see them and assume male. but they are  actually neither.

they were made that size. that is why they look baby faced.  the process which created them,  made them the ultimate designer baby.   strong, fit, healthy.  these beings break down with the goo to seed life on planets.  

these beings grew tired of sacrifice in the order of creation so a stand off with the elders ensued.  this may of led to a war.

so weyland created david.  the elders created the engineers.

i use the bit in prometheus where the engineer gives david a look, was it sympathy or empathy towards a fellow creation? before the act of ripping off his head

these beings are organic unlike david.  the space travel and creation process means they are the color they are. 

the elders expected their creations to link with civilisations, report back and make the ultimate sacrifice when a planet was ready.   that is partly a reason for skin too (lack of sun)

davids issues with weyland. engineer issues with elders.

what u guys think?

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

AdamPD

Apr-22-2017 2:14 PM

 

I wouldn't be surprised if this race are the "base" engineers, of which higher beings (perhaps the elders we see in the Prometheus intro and the statues) use for warfare and seeding planets.

They take an individual and enhance them genetically, to either seed life, or use in warfare against other races.

Seanjohn

Apr-22-2017 3:06 PM

They are all seeds ripe for the picking.

Tom

Apr-22-2017 3:36 PM

I like the idea that they are "base" or seeds. Like they use them for the seeding. It would make sense too for it being their home world. Like what Shaw thinks is, is that the engineers are humanity's creators, but in fact they are just subservient to the "Elders", whoever they are - who are even superior to them, and fly that massive saucer ship- who Shaw would have absolutely no idea about... but David might.

BigDave

Apr-22-2017 4:15 PM

Its interesting to debate this, and indeed there are a few possibilities

1) These are Engineers but due to budget, and as this will only be a short scene they thought about a cheap way to do this and no one would notice...

But doing basic Make up like this would have done the trick better, especially when only the Head needs doing and so is this a OVERSIGHT.... or is there a reason they area different.

The Engineers in Prometheus all had a certain look, specific features of which the Marble Like Skin and Roman Nose and Bold Bone Features are all evident.

2) Are these beings a Earlier form of Humanoids, who are something between Engineer and Human?

3) Are these beings a Evolution of Humanoids or Engineers?

4) Are they more closer to Humans and the only reason they are Bald is for Religious Reasons and they Shave like Buddhist Monks do?

These are the options i can see... They Clearly are not the Elders, as the Stone Heads in the Big Head Room have the Elder Engineer look to them included nose profile etc.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Apr-22-2017 4:22 PM

I will however add this image

I have found a few beings in the image who just have that Engineer Look about them... They have the Skin Match and Features.

Maybe there is a mix of Humanoids all related to the Engineers Genetically?

Is this place Paradise?  This is where David and Shaw was going, but we cant rule out them having gone to Paradise First and discovered something that has caused Shaw to work with David to destroy all colonies where these beings have been and which could mean Planet 4 is not Paradise...  As i mentioned in my Planet 4 Topic.

Ridley said THEY are off to the Engineers Homeworld though but this THEY could mean David and Shaw and so the Covenant Crew could have arrived at a different place David and Shaw went to next.... we simply dont know when the Bombardment Scene happened, we can assume its no soon as they (David and Shaw) get to Paradise but then we cant rule out this being a place they visited after and so who knows how long David has been on this place... a lot depends on where this place actually is.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Apr-22-2017 4:29 PM

The Source i had over 2 years ago, provided all the clues that was hinting at Mankind being 4th or 5th Generation, and pointing out that Biblical Events are loosely connected but we should not take them as literally and for example just how Paradise in the Bible is on Earth, but in the Franchise its a separate Planet.

And the Hierarchy have created and destroyed previous Generations and Biblical Events are loosely at play but we should not assume all those events actually relate to being on Earth or our Generation.

They also said that Mankind had been to that system before, and i assumed they meant LV-223/426 System but maybe they meant Paradise?  As the Source is always vague with clues.. pretty much like how Ridley Scott is lol

As far as the LV-223 Engineer, indeed the Source did say that they and David have a lot in common.

As far as the Engineers in terms of Evolution of the Idea, Ridley Scott said the Sacrificial Scene was not the only way they could create Life, but was the way they chose to do it.

And Spaights draft and ideas was to show us the Engineers at one time could procreate like we can, but they Lost this Ability at some point and they had to resort to other means to continue creating life.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Apr-22-2017 4:35 PM

@Tom

Indeed, i have touched upon this with a few replies regarding the Bombardment and Courtyard.

I dont want to get to deep in a explantion as i covered it a bit before, but Ridley Scott said the Sacrificial Scene was like Ancient Tribes on Earth who would choose a Sacrifice who would then be treated like a Prince for a Year and then they would after a year be Sacrificed to the Gods for the Greater Cause of the Tribe (Better Harvest etc).

Ridley Scott said the Hall of Heads shows Superior Beings, Wise Men and Apostles and they have been confirmed to be the Hierarchy of sorts.

The Hanger has 4 Statues like Buddha Offering Statues and the beings was all gathering around the Hanger as if they was expecting some important event to unfold (such as the return of the Hierarchy or their Creators).

so yes its possible these beings would maybe every now and again be Chosen by the Hierarchy to be taken away for a Great Cause and a Important Event.

Question is if the Hierarchy come down now and again to collect Sacrifices, do those beings know this is what becomes of them?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Spearfish

Apr-22-2017 5:00 PM

Is the spacejockey exposed to a measured dose of goo to make him/it stronger and more resilient?  As a result they have black eyes and an integral suit?

Tom

Apr-22-2017 5:09 PM

What would make even the most rabid fans happy, is if there were also a few of the "engineer base" humanoids down there that were like 12 feet tall, thus making the og space jockey engineer (that a lot of people got stuck in their craw about) make even more sense - or another planet of super tall ones

ptzrzdfan

Apr-23-2017 3:10 AM

I like the theory that the Last Engineer and the Sacrifice Engineer were synthetics / androids created by Elders. These androids are more perfect than other Engineers in all senses, and are better suited for creational and warfare purposes.

I also think that android Engineers are far more Organic than David or Walter, so Xenomorphs could grow up in them (as shown in the Prometheus ending).

sherris

Apr-23-2017 5:59 AM

thats a great point about the elders ship, it seems far more sleek and advanced than the typicalc jugganaut and even the docking ship in empire.

so the elders held on to the best technology and gave the organic seeders less so to have an advantage in case of hostility or war.

Take This.... This is the blood of our lord

MrLahey

Apr-23-2017 10:46 AM

"diversity"...one day that word will be as taboo as "ayran"...can't wait.

K-Theory

Apr-23-2017 1:12 PM

Indeed this is what many have been suggesting. This is a clever setup of parallel attempts at playing god between the elder engineers and their human cousins. Humans developed robots like David and Walter to be the perfect embodiment of their species thereby turning into godlike creators over these perfect facsimiles of their species. Many thousands perhaps millions of years before this, the elder engineers created their own perfected bio-mechanical engineer specimens to serve their needs and act as sacrifices, seeding the planets they visit. Like the humanoid robots these synthetically created bio-mechanically perfected engineers at some point realize they are vastly superior to their creators and ultimately overthrow their masters to themselves become the "gods" much like David is attempting to do. Paradise perhaps is a remnant of the great ancient elder engineer civilizations that have been almost entirely usurped by their own creation, if it is not a planet for a "version" of humanity. 

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