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Rule book Round 2

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ninXeno426

Apr-08-2017 11:54 PM

Last week dk created the Scified fan made rule book.These are Rules in no particular order:

 

to have characters written and developed well with no wishy washy whimsical religious zealots.

Do not put too much emphasis on technology like holograms and such.

No romance whatsoever in any alien movie.

No stupid characters such as fifield and milburn (posted X 2)

No time travel (mentioned X 4)

Put Chris and BigDave on the pay roll as consultants/writers with possible cameos. (Dave chose a mutated Jabba)

No more than 3 rewrites of the script. Pick an idea, flesh it out, and make the best version of that idea possible rather than trying to incorporate old versions into some new vision by some new writer. (mentioned X 2)

there is no place for corny over the top cheesy/corny dialog and sequences in this film universe (aka anything similar to Resurrection would be banned)

No predators in the alien film universe, they are both cool but tonally too different to share a film and it be worthy of either,,save that stuff for the comic books (mentioned X 2)

not everything has to be explained ,keep some mystery in this universe so we have something our minds can run wild with (mentioned X 2)

NEVER turn it into an Avengers where our protaginists are just taking our hordes after hordes, it would be silly....even though Aliens went with the action/war vibe it still kept some of the bleak tone and impending doom and terror

Ripley is done, done done never again shoehorn her into a sequel or prequel 

Keep the main focus on morphing and mutating as the genesis of the species but still allow an occasional queen ...there is just more ghastly horror to play with when it comes to mutation, but the queen IMO is limited, she looks good our hero fights her thats it, having her on the screen dosnt really open up any storytelling doors for us other than a cool action scene

Im fine with tech but make it look used or serviceable, if its too "bright and shiny" it takes away the tone and feel of the movie

I do not ever want to see Weyland Yutani weaponize the xenomorph.If you want to know why,just play Colonial Marines.Enough said 

R rating only (mentioned X 2)

No main character kids

Defined chest-burster gestation period(s). To paraphrase, consistent time lines yet allow some wiggle room for hosts with mentioned physical conditions that may explain gestation time variations.

Xenos not used as cannon-fodder that run around in open spaces, or broad daylight; Ambush/stalking predator only.

No quotes from Ripley as a fanboy nod to her like 'that's not exactly out of the manual' or 'get away from her, you bitch'.

Stay true to H.R Giger and his nightmareish world and design.

No comedy. (Dark humor is OK here and there but not to the extent of Resurrection)

Never, ever again a newborn or anything that resembles that abomination. (I am fine with neomorphs though..) (mentioned X 2)

No "up in the blue, infantile dopehead" ideas in scripts or drafts like wooden planets ur sutch. Alien worlds yes, but please not stupid.

No fan boy service other then set pieces and or details about the alien universe that serves to expand the world

Never 100% CGI, always a mix of practical effects

Dont rely on Ripley storyline

Don’t have more than 2 years between movies.

I just hope they have it all planned out A-Z even if we dont see every part of A-Z as long as they know what a A-Z would be and stick to things that wont contradict it, and so also to tidy up the mess that has been left before.

Projectile weapons preferred, yet allow for Laser-based weapons as they are making steady progress with them in the real world

NO stupid-looking weapons like the blue and orange (present-day Target-match pistols) weapons seen in PROMETHEUS. They looked like kid's toys.

NO MORE FLAMETHROWERS!! At least not pre-assembled ones in the armory/ready-for-use ones like we saw in PROMETHEUS. It is the absolute height of mindless and suicidal stupidity to fire one aboard a starship, they're cliche`, have no real practical use aside from menacing an Alien, and the last thing you want is an alien running amok, on fire, acid bleeding from multiple and increasing places where it's skin has burned through/sloughed off, and setting even more of the ship on fire and burning holes in the ship all along its path.

Do NOT even TRY to 'Star Trek It Up'...this is the ALIENverse, it has its own distinct feel, flavor and mien. There is NO Central Monolithic Unchallengeable Federation of Planets as The Prime Authority...and there NEVER will be. There are NO Government starships out 'patrolling the sector', and when you're between star systems, you're on your own.

Characters should act and inter-relate like people do in reality, not by way of artificial/idealized 'Niceness'. Watch ALIEN for some great scenes between Ripley and Parker and their friction-points in personality

People drink beer, some likely carry whisky/liquor flasks, they smoke, and have pin-ups all over the place. These are people, not Idealized Human Federation Citizens.                                                                                                           The idea behind the new thread is to 1:To seek possible new contributors.2:For new members to contribute new rules.3:Any new rules suggested Will be debated and okayed by current members.This thread is open to all and open for discussion.                                                                                                                                     

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96 Responses to Rule book Round 2

ninXeno426

Apr-09-2017 1:58 AM

Well said BlackWinter Witch.As I've previously said they are  open for discussion.And I can't stress this enough NOT official.I have no Fox insiders to proof read and OK this list 

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

ninXeno426

Apr-09-2017 2:01 AM

And i'd still have a hard time believing there's some one who actually wants to see all that any way.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

Blackwinter-witch

Apr-09-2017 2:02 AM

ninXeno426

I think you misspelled and meant 'are' instead of 'aren't'??
But yeah, all these points are open for discussion, that's why we did all this, for fun of sharing like-mindedness or exploring Differing opinions.

But starting off by Attack style such as we've been fielding?? That's NO way to enter a Topic and hope for a civil give-and-take convo.

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Blackwinter-witch

Apr-09-2017 2:04 AM

IRaptus

Was wondering when you'd find your way here. :)

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ninXeno426

Apr-09-2017 2:11 AM

Oh yes!Gotta edit that!

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

ninXeno426

Apr-09-2017 2:14 AM

Agreed BlackWinter Witch.Let's try to swing this back into a more positive direction 

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Blackwinter-witch

Apr-09-2017 2:27 AM

ninXeno426

Sounds like a plan, and that is what this Topic was originally about.

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S.M

Apr-09-2017 3:41 AM

Okay I got.  It's a gripe-list (but don't gripe about the gripe list) and it's open for discussion (but don't take an opposing view).

My bad. I forgot the way this place operates for a moment.

Blackwinter-witch

Apr-09-2017 4:34 AM

S.M

Opposing views are fine, as was seen in the Original Topic and expected here...it's your Attack-Posture that was the issue, and that's on you.
You want to start a conversation about a point, I told you how to do it without provoking counter-hostility: Don't come off with an attack-posture.
State your opinion, back it up and then we can all bounce it around, see who agrees, who doesn't, and who might have very different thoughts about any given point.

You know damn well how this works, you've likely read the original Topic, if not, then I suggest you do so, study how we all interacted with each other there...plenty of room for differing opinions, as you've seen there or will see there. The evidence is there in the original Topic, so refer to it.

But leave this Judgemental Attack-Posture mentality OUT of it.

 

 

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Ranting Xeno

Apr-09-2017 7:01 AM

A lot of my thoughts have been represented on the list already; in fact, most of them.

From my other comments scattered about, they are probably known but I'll summerise:

Time travel is a gimmick with no place in this universe.

Weaponising the Xeno could lead to a Jurassic World fiasco. As mentioned in one of my previous topics, if I ever see a Xeno called Blue I'll be most disappointed.

Kids in the movies? Newt was a cretin and that screeching wee boot almost ruined that movie. I hated her character.

The little cretin from AVP:R was an arbitrary chatacter and cynical attempt to mask failures elsewhere (they didn't manage to do anything even remotely emotive or shocking with the rest of the movie).

Keep them away.

On the subject of arbitrary characters, keep them to a minimum and don't bother semi-developing them just to have them be, essentially, useless and forgettable. It's a waste of screen time that could be used more productively.

Futuristic weapons? There is a time and a place for them. But nothing too over the top. On a side note: I'd love to see a Xeno shot with a Barrett (APIT round) from a mile away, wide shot as the tracer streaks across the screen then closeup for explosive impact (sorry, bit of a Barrett fan boy - it's a thing of beauty).

No romance - Twilight style? That really needed to be said? Lol. I'd have thought that was a given.

Same with comedy. No place for it. Can you imagine!

Next summer! The movie event of the year! Directed by Ridley Scott. Starring global superstars Adam Sandler and Chris Rock! In space, nobody can hear you leave a theatre...

Think I'm done backing up existing points. If I think of any new ones I'll post, but the list is fairly comprehensive.

Tiwaz

Apr-09-2017 9:12 AM

I mostly agree. Some notes though:

- I have no problem with Preds as long as they're depicted in reasonable manner and not as overpowered avengers like characters. Remember Engineers are said to be able to take  on Xenos in melee(River Of Pain/Fire And Stone).

- I'm ok with CGI when it's done right

Another thing I've been thinking bout is blood, since "tons" of blood were mentioned by either Riddles or his crew (don't remember exactly).

Sure, body busting a bloody process but don't turn it into a splatter movie. No blood for the sake of blood.

I remember when found-footage-movies were new and Blair Witch Project came out. That movie was awesome. And you didn't see a single drop of blood in it.

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

Ranting Xeno

Apr-09-2017 10:37 AM

Oh oh, I just thought of one. No found footage adaptation. No no no! That would be irreparably awful for the universe/franchise.

I'm not saying Blair Witch wasn't good, when it came out. It was reasonable. I think I even watched it twice. But pretty much every found footage film since gas been diabolical.

There are notable and obvious exceptions (not worth listing), but I don't think it would fit in this context. It's another gimmick that has no place in an alien movie.

Though, Ridley prefers making films properly and is given decent budgets to enable him to do so. A ff alien movie won't happen while Scott is making them. Thankfully.

Tiwaz

Apr-09-2017 10:52 AM

@Ranting Xeno I agree. No ff-style. I merely meant as an example for blood in a movie. A lot of blood doesn't necessarily make a good movie.

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

Starlogger

Apr-09-2017 12:21 PM

IN> "James Cameron shall never be allowed to have a say in the Alien Universe ever again"

"Egg Morphing" MUST be better explained if it is to be "canon". As it stands now it is a weak concept.

The "Space Jockey" is NOT just an engineer.

 

Blackwinter-witch

Apr-09-2017 2:48 PM

Ranting Xeno

Your points, I'd like to address:

" On the subject of arbitrary characters, keep them to a minimum and don't bother semi-developing them just to have them be, essentially, useless and forgettable. It's a waste of screen time that could be used more productively.

Futuristic weapons? There is a time and a place for them. But nothing too over the top. On a side note: I'd love to see a Xeno shot with a Barrett (APIT round) from a mile away, wide shot as the tracer streaks across the screen then closeup for explosive impact (sorry, bit of a Barrett fan boy - it's a thing of beauty).

No romance - Twilight style? That really needed to be said? Lol. I'd have thought that was a given.

Same with comedy. No place for it. Can you imagine! "

Arbitrary characters: In principle I agree totally, but must mention that such can be used constructively, in accordance with how you suggest they be handles. They make GREAT Monster-Demonstrators. :) EG; I need Manticore's crew to survive, but I also need some suitable monster-chow for ALIEN: Manticore; Paradise. So, enter the Science Expedition. This I would suggest that arbitrary characters have some purpose, even if it just to wear the Purina logo proudly. :D

FUTURISTIC WEAPONS: Love the Barret .50 idea!! That said, weapons such as Lasers, and magnetic-acceleration type (Gauss and Rail-gun) weapons are being developed on a man-portable scale today. Scary thing; this is being done by Backyard Engineers who get amazing results, so it makes one wonder what the Military and assorted corporations have. Thus I think we need to be define what a 'futuristic weapon' is, as real-world tech moves forward, so as to be able to take advantage of real-world tech for our stories yet also stay away from 'phasers on stun', and such.

ROMANCE: Twilight (ick) wasn't 'romance' any more than 50 Shades and it's sequal are BDSM. :D But yeah, that kind of slop doesn't belong...ANYPLACE! :D
I am presuming that romance in the form of, say, a husband and wife on a ship's crew would be acceptable, yes?

COMEDY: Agreed, this is the ALIENverse. That said, life's-like-that kind of things should still be allowed, as Life throws moments at us all that 'Just Happen' and are funny. Yes? But they should be kept to a minimum, and Realistic.

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ninXeno426

Apr-09-2017 2:53 PM

Good suggestions thus far.Starlogger,while Aliens is my favorite film(i know crucify me lol)I must agree that I don't want James Cameron involved with Alien ever again.I'm sick of him walking around acting like he owns the series saying it should have packed it's bags long ago.

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Blackwinter-witch

Apr-09-2017 2:57 PM

Starlogger

The points you have I'd like to address:

" IN> "James Cameron shall never be allowed to have a say in the Alien Universe ever again"

"Egg Morphing" MUST be better explained if it is to be "canon". As it stands now it is a weak concept.

The "Space Jockey" is NOT just an engineer. "

CAMERON: I absolutely agree with that point. 

EGG MORPHING: I totally agree, it needs to be Featured and properly introduced. Great minds think alike. :D In ALIEN: Manticore I do peel back some (not all) of the mystery and mechanics of such. With luck, if Fox grants me License and Canonization, then that'd solve a LOT of problems.

SPACE JOCKEY: Heh, same story I mention above addresses that also. :D Like a lot of people, I also noticed the considerable size-discrepancy between Space Jockey and Engineer in suit.

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Something Real

Apr-09-2017 3:10 PM

NINXENO426 - This is a neat topic! Hmm...I do not know if there are any guide points I would interject into the Alien universe with regards to films. Perhaps keep Aliens alien - and mysterious. The original film did such a wonderful job of making certain the creature, itself, was unknowable. I would like for that to be maintained. I do not need to know much about the Alien - only that it is not a creature with which I would want to find myself alone. :)

ninXeno426

Apr-09-2017 3:13 PM

Agreed Something Real.I would like to preserve some mystery in the franchise 

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Blackwinter-witch

Apr-09-2017 3:14 PM

" Perhaps keep Aliens alien - and mysterious. The original film did such a wonderful job of making certain the creature, itself, was unknowable. I would like for that to be maintained. I do not need to know much about the Alien - only that it is not a creature with which I would want to find myself alone. :) "

 

I TOTALLY agree with this sentiment!!!

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Something Real

Apr-09-2017 3:16 PM

NINXENO426 - Quite so! :)

Something Real

Apr-09-2017 3:20 PM

BLACKWINTER-WITCH - I very much would like to keep "Never encountered a member of the Xenomorph species" on my resume! However, all things being equal, if I had to choose between a xenomorph and a facehugger, I would choose the xenomorph. Those little creeps are absolutely terrifying! :)

Blackwinter-witch

Apr-09-2017 3:25 PM

Something Real

Heh, yeah, agreed, the fachugger is truly a nightmare-creature. That said I have some charmingly horrific creations of my own which are doing their warm-up exercises for ALIEN: Manticore; Paradise.

It is a REAL pain trying to find track-suits for these critters. :D

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Something Real

Apr-09-2017 3:28 PM

BLACKWINTER-WITCH - Please wear them out properly so I can outrun them later. :)

Blackwinter-witch

Apr-09-2017 3:46 PM

Something Real

LOL

Well Audiences get comfy seats and popcorn.

The 'arbitrary characters' get to wear the Official Purina Monster-Chow Logos

So, you don't have much to worry about. :D

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ninXeno426

Apr-09-2017 5:27 PM

Tiwaz:I agree on the predator.I personally believe both franchise's are better off on their own but with the exception of the movies,AVP has provided me with a lot of entertainment in the past.AVP:Fire and Stone has got to be the best thing AVP I've ever encountered

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dk

Apr-09-2017 7:09 PM

S.M- I started the original thread as a response to the rule book referring to the one for the continuing Alien series. The original idea asked what rules members would have for the continued series if they wrote the book. It was a fun thread and Nin is taking it in his direction.

Blackwinter-witch

Apr-09-2017 7:18 PM

dk

TY for stepping into this and properly defining this Topic, origin of it and it's intent!! :)
Some folks see it as, I dunno, some think we're going 'fascist' about the franchise or something like that.

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dk

Apr-09-2017 7:52 PM

Ranting Xeno The "found footage" concept seems equally bad as the time travel concept that pretty much everyone agrees would be really lame this far into the series- even though they are prequels.

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