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What do you consider Canon ?

What do you consider Canon ?

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ninXeno426

Mar-23-2017 2:48 PM

Here at Scified,it's always heavily debated what's Canon and what's not.While there is an official Canon,most of us boil it down to personal preferences.Me I widely accept almost everything with the exception of the AVP movies.That includes all Four main Alien movies,Prometheus,the Fire and Stone series,and Alien Isolation.There are other things i accept such as The Out of The Shadows trilogy,that i haven't read yet and of course the upcoming Alien Covenant.How about you guys?

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40 Responses to What do you consider Canon ?

dk

Mar-23-2017 2:52 PM

Movies and Isolation for me, but I think FOX ultimately decides- at least that's what another credible member said on a similar thread.

ninXeno426

Mar-23-2017 2:54 PM

This has already been done!?!Damn!

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ninXeno426

Mar-23-2017 2:54 PM

That's what i get for not spending more time on here 

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dk

Mar-23-2017 2:56 PM

It was a while ago. Not the first or last time similar topics have been covered. It is good though because newer members may not have seen them.

dk

Mar-23-2017 3:00 PM

Opinions varied from movies, books and games to one saying only the first movie lol!

ninXeno426

Mar-23-2017 3:00 PM

Yeah good point.Wouldn't be the first time I've done this lol

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dk

Mar-23-2017 3:01 PM

I am  guilty too.

ninXeno426

Mar-23-2017 3:02 PM

I saw someone say the only things they consider Canon as The Alien directors cut and Giger art!lol

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ninXeno426

Mar-23-2017 3:03 PM

I think we all are lol

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ninXeno426

Mar-23-2017 3:04 PM

I mean no offense to that persons opinion by the way 

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I Raptus

Mar-23-2017 3:05 PM

Colonial Marines is NOT canon....or ever existed for that matter.

Out of the shadows trilogy books are worthy additions.

Is FOXs new rule book for the future of the Alien franchise available/leaked publicly anywhere, would be interesting to have a look at!

ninXeno426

Mar-23-2017 3:07 PM

Lol agreed on Colonial Marines!Awesome Dillon pic by the way

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Grinning & Dropping Linen

Mar-23-2017 3:46 PM

I'm welcome to anything that isn't Resurrection or the AVP movies, they were hot garbage especially that atrocity that Resurrection, shoehorned Ripley, corny, cheesy and horrible dialog and scenes throughout, more like an Asylum Films picture style tone and dialog at times.

that being said, Fox has never came out and announced what was canon like Lucas/Marvel did with Star Wars. I would rather hope that only the first 2 films were considered canon.  There were things to like about Alien 3 although it isn't very rewatcheable and I hate what they did to Hicks and Newt, kind of a mess just to further story for a sequel, there were other ways to go like William Gibson drafts where they could have taken elements of that to explain Extending series. Things can get very messy quickly if u accept those 3 movies I hate plus all the novels, comic books, video games and the crossover stuff with Predators which I don't feel should be part of the Alien Universe for many reasons. 

Id say just keep first two, and although I prefer mutation and egg morphing they could find a way to allow for Queens that doesn't lessen the species to just a dangerous insect. Possibly make it rare but sometimes in great numbers one of the "birthed" Xenos can develop into a queen, but in small numbers or alone the Xenos rely on egg morphing to reproduce, which is scarier and helps solidify them as a perfect organism, they don't need a queen to reproduce, just victims. This keeps them more terrifying and versatile and able to take over and destroy anything regardless of their numbers.

Rick

Mar-23-2017 4:04 PM

Canon

Movies 1-4 (3 & 4 Loosely)

Novelizations

Dark Horse Comics

Novelizations

Isolation

F&R 10 page Rule Book

I believe that is it for what's canon.

S.M What did I leave out?

Grinning & Dropping Linen

Mar-23-2017 4:13 PM

The list u have above is this confirmed by any source where it can be viewed??? That seems like a lot of things with story details that would get far fetched and conflictive in a hurry. Plus I know most people and even people involved in Alien film verse do not want to include Resurrection 

has the 10 page rule and canon book that Ridley commissioned been completed and if so where can I find it??

Don Digimon Farrakhan Magic Juan

Mar-23-2017 4:19 PM

Im basically a grumpy old diehard and consider only the first 2 movies with part 3 making it into the acceptable margin due to it not being as bad as part 4 as canon. The 3rd is pushing it with the dog alien which I think conflicts with the entire premise. If it can get a dog, what about a large cat? Maybe those giant rabbits people think are photoshop jobs you know?

Basically anything that isn't created purely to capitalize on the name (beyond the first sequel), with novels, comics (despite my collecting the aliens and predator Dark Horse comics years ago). Good posting by the way, I guess its been done according to people but its the first one ive seen so it seems valid to refresh somethings.  

Gavin

Mar-23-2017 4:25 PM

For me, simply Prometheus and the four movies, and covenant when its released.

I have always held that canon includes any consecutive works made in the same medium as the original content unless otherwise stated by the owners of the intellectual property. So for example Batman comics are canon to the Batman universe, but the movies are not, whereas it has been stated that all comics and novels are canon to the Gears of War universe. But IMO for Aliens it's only the core movies as mentioned above.

I was always under the belief that most general audiences felt the same way until 2012 onwards when many members here declared they have their own personal choice canon, picking and choosing to ignore elements they didn't like such as this constant hate campaign against the Queen and Aliens 1986.

Grinning & Dropping Linen

Mar-23-2017 4:26 PM

@Don

 

 I'm with u, I'd prefer to have first 2 films be canon but they need to include the directors cut egg morphing from first film, that's ghastly and fits well with this universe and even works with the mutation angles at play in Prometheus and AC

Rick

Mar-23-2017 4:30 PM

GDL, 

This is from numerous discussions over the last 5 years.  I did forget to include Prometheus in the canon realm.  The 10 Page Rule Book.  I wish I knew where I could get a copy for what's in and what's out.  Who all was involved in its development and etc.

I have to agree with Snorkelbottom.

I'm not a real big fan or A3 or the hydrid alien in AR.  I do need to consider them regardless if I'm a fan of them or not.

I Raptus

Mar-23-2017 4:34 PM

Any story arcs involving Royal Jelly / Xeno-zip are definitely off the cards too. Terrible way to commoditise the Alien

 

S.M

Mar-23-2017 4:45 PM

"I believe that is it for what's canon.

S.M What did I leave out?"

When it comes to personal beliefs about canon, you can leave what you like in or out.

airshaft_surprise

Mar-23-2017 5:00 PM

Alien, Aliens, Alien3(some scenes had me scratching my noggin?)

AlienRes. ok until the finale, they could have up with something more gigeresque for whatever creature that was.

AVP and AVPR no!

Colonial Marines no!

Isolation yes!

ninXeno426

Mar-23-2017 5:05 PM

I like it airshaft!

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ninXeno426

Mar-23-2017 5:23 PM

Gavin Singelton:i agree on the campaign against the queen and Aliens.While I certainly respect their opinions,I do think it has gotten a bit carried away.What I previously thought was the second most respected film in the franchise(my favorite) at times seems to get less respect than Alien 3 and Prometheus ironically.But to each there own,as i said,I respect all opinions.

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S.M

Mar-23-2017 5:26 PM

Aliens only gets less respect from a small minority.

ninXeno426

Mar-23-2017 5:43 PM

I know S.M. thats why i said at times,but yeah i should have worded that better 

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airshaft_surprise

Mar-23-2017 6:03 PM

@ninXeno, i did not include books cos i have only read two outside of the movie novelisations, earth hive and nightmare asylum.

dk

Mar-23-2017 7:00 PM

I don't consider books as cannon simply because I haven't read them. However, if something out of say F&S was in a movie, I would have to consider it canon then- for all I know, maybe something from F&S is in one of the movies. I just don't know.

Drake

Mar-23-2017 7:13 PM

Prometheus

Alien

Aliens

Alien 3

Everything else is up for grabs. Resurrection was terrible. AVP was simultaneously pandering and demeaning. AVPR just makes both franchises look terrible.

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