Does Elizabeth Shaw get eggmorphed?
Posted Mar-20-2017 5:37 PM
I'm thinking Elizabeth Shaw gets eggmorphed. It's pretty disturbing to think about but from the statements Ridley Scott has made about her purpose and role in Covenant, I think it's a likely scenario.
Talking to Fandango, Scott spoke a little about whether, and how, she would return.
"Yes, in a way," he said, confirming she'll be in it. "Not fully, but in a way. She was integral to what David carried out later."
Eggmorphing happened to Dallas in Alien but was cut from the movie. Basically, I think she gets turned into the egg in which a facehugger grows. Not sure if David does this with the help of the black goo but I'm betting somehow this is her fate. It would be an ironic fate for her. In Prometheus we learn she is originally unable to get pregnant. (at least not without the help of David dosing Holloway's drink with the black goo). Then she eventually sets off to the Engineers planet to get answers on the origin of life. Maybe she literally ends up becoming a part of the xeno life cycle herself.
Posted Mar-21-2017 2:13 AM
I think Egg Morph would be a interesting concept they could explore in the movie or prequels or sequels to it.
But i am not sure this makes sense for Shaws Fate, because we see more than ONE Egg....
I do think Shaws Body or Genetic Material is required for David's Experiments... we have to wander what is the Basis for David's Experiments?
He said to Oram he has been studying and experimenting on the Life-forms encountered in Prometheus and there was really only TWO Xeno Related ones as far as a Good Basis to build off.
We cant rule out if the "as far as we know" comment is a Worm that gets onto the Juggernaught, and Worm + Black Goo = Hammerpedes and if these are similar to common Worms then they would also be EGG LAYERS the other options for the As far as we know goes... is Engineers in Cryo-sleep but then Shaw would not surely want to be put into Cryo-sleep with one of those in another... would she wander what David would do... what if he wakes one up? What if he makes a Covenant with them and hands them Shaw?
Also Shaw would want to wake them up and get Answers... there would be no or little need to get to Paradise.
The other option is the Deacon gets on board, but we all saw the Juggernaught leave before this event and surely a Deacon on the Ship would Hamper David and Shaws plans and prove a threat... but then somehow David has done some experiments and not been attacked or wounded by these so who knows.
so the other alternative route to Experiments would be to RE-CREATE the Infection that Shaw had... which needs a Male unless.... the infection was a Parasite and not Mutated Sperm and Holloway was just the means to transmit this to Shaws Womb like a Sexually Transmitted Disease.. if this was the case then David could indeed re-infect Shaw easy and give him a Trilobite to experiment on.... Not a Deacon as he would need a Host.. (but seems he gets some from some place).
The Final 3rd Option would be Fifield... and so what happens if Shaw is infected with a certain amount of the Black Goo and becomes a Hybrid like how the Worms became Hammerpedes or like some of the other Fifield Designs.
How could a Hybrid Female/Xeno DNA Lifeform Procreate?
This method, and the 2nd would indeed mean Shaw would Technically not Die as the Source claimed over 2 years ago.
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Posted Mar-21-2017 3:15 AM
If she is eggmorphed....where did the other eggs come from?
who knows....maybe the hierarchy has her, protecting her because humans are now the chosen race, not the engineers which is why "maybe" they wanted to destroy us with stolen technology. I think we see more humanoid races other than engineers in the coming films that will fill in details to the story.IMO
Posted Mar-21-2017 5:19 AM
i have a feeling that she is mutated into either an egg or the mechanism from which the eggs derive....and NO she will not be a queen, Ridley Scott will not include the Queen concept in his films because that was not his invention and having the queen in the story immediately makes the xenomorphs just a dangerous insect and takes away some of the depth and cosmic horror elements at play. He will not do that, the queen is more in your face, looks cool on screen, like a big boss in a video game but its all surface level and haas no depth and isnt that unsettling like the idea of mutation or some ancient horror that has been at play for centuries in the story of the aliens creation or use by higher powers. I liked the queen in the movie Aliens very much, but prefer that the xenomorph be an ancient unexplainable horror not cannon fodder or just an insect, leave that kind of stuff for the Marvel movies or Michael Bay, this should be deep and hauntingly gothic and Lovecraftian.
I seen that someone else said in another forum post that Shaw wanted to bring knowledge to humans (about the Engineers and our creators) and wouldnt it be ironic if she in turn turned out to be the true Prometheus. Where she is used in some ghastly way over and over to create these lifeforms that David has in his lab, while keeping her alive in some disturbing way......ironic in that she got her knowledge but became the embodiment of Prometheus in doing so.
here is the post from @jazzhands I think Shaw is going to be held hostage and forced to create eggs, die during the process, and be brought back to life in a an endless cycle via David's experiments. She will be the female version of Prometheus; punished for all eternity because she sought to bring knowledge to mankind. "You must feel like your god has abandoned you." David is the god now."
I feel that would be horrific and disturbing and and if done right would be shock and awe we havent seen since the original chest burster in 1979, something that sticks with us long after viewing, and in doing so is an example of what this film franchise should be.
Posted Mar-21-2017 7:59 AM
Everyone seems quite certain that David created the eggs from the black goo somehow. Why? The trailer doesn't show us anything really. Could it be that the xenomorphs are an indigenous species still and that the thought of them having been engineered (by us, or the Engineers, or those "higher than the engineers" as Ridley says) is false? Maybe the black goo is a natural resource on another planet that the Engineers sought to use for their own purposes, and ended up being taken over by the goo.
Posted Mar-21-2017 10:54 AM
that is a valid idea, discovering them and his previous interactions with the black goo could be what springboarded his work in his lab once he got on the planet.....after all his research he would understand them and he might have been able to possibly use them to reverse engineer eggs of his own or something similar, but he understands them and he knows they are just waiting, ...waiting for a "mother" HUGS
Posted Mar-21-2017 1:09 PM
I agree that his collection of knowledge after accessing the date from the Juggernauts and then further information he will be able to gather from the Hall of Heads that was indicated in the leaks will be endless, he will have cosmic secrets and understandings of things far beyond human comprehension.....sort of how Lex Luthor collected cosmic secrets by accessing the Kryptonian ship in BVS, it allows him to be far ahead of anything else...i hope and feel that he has some ghastly tricks to introduce us to on May 19th
Posted Mar-22-2017 1:10 AM
We really cant be sure what is going on really, it could be a Red Herring, i mean the Juggernaught is poised in such a way, and the Eggs and Davids experiments and so it could lead us to think "is it David who created the Xeno and is his ship the Derelict"
I dont think it will be as cut and dry as that, i think it may be a bit ambiguous to those events... Just as Prometheus left us maybe pondering does the Deacon rise to the Xeno, or do the Hammerpedes but then also the Door was left open for it to be neither.
Ridley has said this movie will answer WHO and WHY it was created which indeed could hint at David... but Ridley has said a number of things that keep changing, or not quite but just he adds further comments that make you go back to his previous ones where you was being set up for something... to then think, so its not that something but this instead.
A Prime Example, was when he talked about Alien Covenant last year well after he announced it so maybe a bit longer ago... he mentioned (put full context and question here)
Your next film is a sequel to “Prometheus.”
Ridley Scott: Yeah. Well, really it’s “Alien.” They’re going to go to the planet where the engineers came from, and come across the evolving creature that they had made. Why did they make it? Why would they make such a terrifying beast? It felt bio-mechanoid, it felt like a weapon. And so the movie will explain that, and reintroduce the alien back into it.
This could be read as David and Shaw go to the Engineers Planet, and then They as in creators of the Xenomorph, we could assume is the Engineers.
Then when we look at this comment from the Set Reports interview. While the Press are in the Room with the Big Head Statues.
"So we've reinvented the idea of Alien, I think, which is that Covenant gets us a step closer to who and why was this thing designed to make human beings. And if you think it's them [looks over to the Head Statues], you're dead wrong"
Now if we go to the first comment, then he could be talking about the Covenant Crew instead of David and Shaw... as in context to AC David and Shaw have already been there.
So then does this mean the THEY who created it is David and Shaw, or more bizarre THEY is some of the Crew of the Covenant?
So it will be interesting to find out if any of this is actually answered and covered, or if we will be left with a ambiguous answer...
Have to remember before Prometheus Ridley hinted clues that we would have information about the Xeno Origins... when all we got was the Black Goo and DNA that seemed related.. so these was intended to be clues but in a ambiguous way.
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Posted Mar-22-2017 1:25 AM
"Id love to see her survive but it looks like david has turned into satan himself."
I do think that David will play the Satan Role to a degree...
It will be interesting to see what we shall be shown.... not long to wait..
The Source i had, did over 2 years ago mention a lot of things and here is what was said that relates to Xeno Creation... as far as Shaw and David... which is based supposedly on the Prometheus 2 draft prior to John Logans Re-writes AKA Alien Covenant.
*David wishes to play God and Creator himself
*In order to Re-create it (i assume Xeno or Deacon) or very similar Organism, all you need is the Knowledge and Tools and David possesses both.
*Shaw does not Technically Die
*Shaw only plays a Smaller Role but a important one as far as the Plot.
*Concept Work of a Humanoid connected to a HR Giger Bio-Mechanical Device/Machine or similar that looked like as if Giger had done the Superman 3 Robot Girl Scene.
*In context to Paradise Lost Poem... without Sin (i assume Satans Daughter) there would be no Xenomorph (Satans Daughter was a Humanoid/Serpent Hybrid who was constantly Pregnant with Serpentine Hounds of Hell who Guard the Gates of Hell, and daily her Entrails are ripped from the inside by the constant labor and birth of these foul creatures.
*Mankind had been to that System before (i assumed LV-223, but maybe they meant where Paradise is).
*Mankind play a bigger role in the Xenomorph than the Engineers.
*There would be TWO main Xenomorph related Organisms, that would be different to each other but we could see similarities to the Xenomorph.
*David plays a Key role in the creation of one of these.
*One of these is kind of Transparent in appearance, the other is darker like the Original.
*One of these are based off the Necronom 4/Unused Prometheus Ultramorph, the other is a fresher design of the Original Design... (i assume is not Necronom 4 or the 1979 Xenomorph) latter they confirmed it was the prior concept works.
Now the Designs are not as above ^^^^ But the Designs of the Aliens for the Alien Prequels also changed design with a change of Drafts (Spaights ==> Lindeloffs)
These was things i had put on here over 2 years ago, and it appears they could be pretty much exactly what we are being shown.
David has God Complex and Wants to Create for himself, and it would appear Shaw has to play some role in this... Set Reports released at the start of this month mentioned Concept Work of Shaw connected to a HR Giger Machine..
There are TWO Xeno Monsters, Certainly looks like One of these David has directly created. Ridley hints that the Engineers did not Create It (Xenomorph)
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