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francos characters true role?

ali81

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Posted Mar-18-2017 1:35 AM

it seems james franco has a relatively small part to play in AC, but he is probably the most well known actor in the film. now I know some movies recently have the best known actor die suddenly and unexpectedly in movies but I have a theory that maybe francos character has a much larger role to play overall. he is sick before he goes into hypersleep. we can also safely assume that all the sleeping colonists r in for a bit of a shock and will never wake up, in their true forms anyway. but what if during the morphing or whatever process will take place, francos illness has a profound effect on what he becomes? what if the mutagen takes mechanical properties from his cryo to compensate for the virus he is infected with? we r given the impression he just has the flu or a bad cold or something none life threatening, so we just over look this as it isn't of major concern, but what if the virus itself has an effect on the mutation process? what might he become?

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ninXeno426

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Posted Mar-18-2017 1:46 AM

This is one of the best clues i got so far 

Would you Kindly?

ninXeno426

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Posted Mar-18-2017 1:48 AM

In the center like Jesus when he announced he was going to be betrayed by one of his disciples.Who is the Judas here?I personally believe Orum is responsible for his illness quite possibly to gain control of the Covenant 

Would you Kindly?

BigDave

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Posted Mar-18-2017 2:39 AM

It will be interesting to see if the Last Supper Viral is indeed intended to portray either One of Two things... or if its just a Viral Video and in no way will connect to anything related to the Christ Last Supper Painting (Da Vinci).

Jacob (Franco) is the Christ then if its to loosely fit in with the Da Vinci Painting, this means that Jacob will play some kind of Sacrificial Role for the Benefit of the Group.

Or.... he gets Betrayed by a member of this Group.

A lot of Fingers get pointed at Oram (Crudup) but to me his Character in the Trailers and this Viral does not seem to indicate any Malice, he just seems to be someone who is not very outspoken and appears to be insignificant to the other members of the group... which if Oram has the credentials and experience that makes him more suited to a higher role, he may be jealous that a younger Jacob is in charge.

What we know about Oram is that he is the lead Science Specialist and so we have to assume he has more knowledge in this feild than the rest and indeed this is why he may feel he should play a more important role... but the rest of the crew seem to not have respect for him and seem a bit ignorant of him.

So indeed Oram could be feeling the same kind of feelings of neglect and disrespect as David did as far as how he was viewed and seen by the crew of Prometheus, when David knows he is superior.

So maybe yes this could be a seed for Oram maybe trying to take matters into his own hands, to force himself to be Captain.

Crudup said when he read the draft his Character was a Antagonist but he said he felt this was not the case, and its just that his Character is prone to seriously bad decisions.

So it will be interesting to see what role in relation to any JUDAS that Billy Crudup plays, when we had the announcement of Alien Covenant i thought that his Character would most likely play either a Corporate Slimeball like Burke in Aliens or indeed a Synthetic but latter Model than David.  As i felt this suited his kind of roles he played in the past.

Now we know the name Oram which is connected to Serpent/Dragon we can wonder is this name chosen for a reason?

The Serpent/Dragon is what Ridley Scott has referred to the Xenomorph and maybe this is a hint that Oram will become the first ever Host to a Xenomorph (at least a Proto-Xeno)

The other way Serpent/Dragon could play out is that this is what the Bible sometimes refers to the Devil as, now in the Bible (open to interpretation) but Devil does not have to directly mean Satan aka Lucifer... another meaning for these (Devil/Satan) is a Opposer, a Accuser and Deceiver and so someone who Opposes and goes against the Will/Plan of God and someone who will try to Deceive all against the Will/Plan o God.

So in context of the Last Supper Viral, if Franco (Jacob) is the role of Christ aka God, which does not mean he is God but in regards to the Covenant mission he is the one in Command who will lead the others in their mission to Colonize a New Home.

Then indeed Oram would appear to be someone who would want to oppose his rule, and maybe be deceptive in his actions.

So the above Dual Potential meaning and Connection of Serpent/Dragon to the name of Oram could play out and fit with the Character Crudup plays.

HOWEVER... as with David who is being portrayed as some kind of Lucifer it could seem Oram is being linked up to be a Bad Guy too.... but maybe we are being misled and in a Twist someone else will be revealed to be the True Surprise Antagonist.

 

 

 

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

BigDave

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Posted Mar-18-2017 2:44 AM

As far as the Black Goo being involved in the illness of Jacob i cant see this happening, it depends when the Last Supper Viral was taking place.. it is before they go into Cryo-sleep and so this must be at the Start of their Journey or indeed a few days into it before they go into Cryo-sleep for the Long Haul...

So i cant see the Black Goo playing any role as far as prior to arrival at Paradise.

We do-not know the role of James Franco... as far as how much he will be a part, rumors are its not a massive role but i fail to see why they would cast such a Actor to play only Viral Clips and then a few scenes and i mean few in the Movie... which was rumored and the so called Screenings even play down this role as being even smaller... like twice as long as we see him in the Viral Video Tops...

I find this odd.... but who knows... i think we will all find out in a mater of up to 10 weeks time.

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

ali81

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Posted Mar-18-2017 2:56 AM

im not actually relating to the black goo specifically. safe to assume I think the protomorph gets on board the covenant where all the colonists r sleeping. im thinking purely along the lines of the effect Jacobs illness may have on the process which would envolve the gestation of a chest burster or the egg morphing process. would the virus have an effect on the xeno embryo? if its egg morphing, would the virus have some kind of effect during the process and would the enzymes that r breaking down Jacobs genetic material maybe compensate for the virus by using some of the mechanical properties from his cryo pod to counteract the virus in some way? this may be a way of including mechanic properties into the bio mechanical xeno from alien?

BigDave

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Posted Mar-18-2017 3:34 AM

I understand where you are going with this.... and we cant rule out anything really...

only if we go by those 4Chan leaks can we rule a lot out.. but we have no way to know if they was 100% accurate or even False...

A very ill Jacob would allow Crudups Oram Character to take over while the Captain is sick and put back on ice, they (Franco) do not have to die.....

We still have the Mystery of this Scene...

It could be a trick on the eye.... and merely a Female, as in Farris but there are a number of things that dont add up with this, but then other things that could....

Another thing thats a puzzle is exactly what did those images in December mean with the Codes... as they seem to have only TWO connections....  12 and 2104.... which if we assumed are December 2104 which is about 10 years after Prometheus

Which seems to indicate a movie set over 4 days.... and indeed this shot would appear the Landing Scene in Trailers happened over a day latter.

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

ali81

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Posted Mar-18-2017 3:51 AM

possible second, military vessel sent either with or without the crew of the covenants knowledge to shadow the covenant?

or flashback scene to an earlier vessel landing? this would tie into the equipment some have pointed out in davids lab

ali81

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Posted Mar-18-2017 4:23 AM

ok maybe a better way to ask my question..does anyone think if u r ill and u r face hugged or morphed, the virus would have a profound effect on the process/ result?

LongLiveNewt

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Posted Mar-18-2017 7:00 AM

I want to see Franco get facefucked by a hugbuddy :D

 

Preferably in the first five minutes. I have a feeling most of what we see in the trailer is going to go down in the first twenty minutes and from there on out it's a bug hunt/David's show.

Seanjohn

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Posted Mar-18-2017 3:07 PM

Maybe humans from Earth wiped out the Engineers on paradise.

alex9

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Posted Mar-18-2017 10:45 PM

@ali81 to answer your specific question I'd have to say that the fact that Franco's character is sick probably would not affect the outcome of the process if he were facehugged or got a black goo cocktail.   The only way I could see it making a difference is if he had some virus that actually mutates his DNA, (which is sort of what the black goo is doing anyway) and if those mutations were then passed on to the resultant creature.  We have seen that the xeno does take on some characteristics of its host, so I guess it's possible there could be some effect.  I suspect those pesky androids in the series could offer you a better answer, but they're still collating and can't be bothered right now, lol.  

MuzzleNZ

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Posted Mar-18-2017 11:38 PM

Jacob makes a covenant with 'God'. I'm not religious, but jeez, the biblical references are squirting out the wazoo in this movie.

I'm picking the Engineers (or other higher race) will have something to do with Jacob near the end of this film. Perhaps a deal to save Daniels by sacrificing himself......

MuzzleNZ

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Posted Mar-18-2017 11:45 PM

Please, don't let Daniels' first name be Mary....

Shasta cyclone

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Posted Mar-19-2017 7:23 AM

I think franco's role is small. It has already been hinted in a cast interview he dies early in the movie before they get to paradise. But here is a theory. His body is somehow stolen from the covenant later in the movie by either David or walter and that's the body in Davids so called "lab". Not likely but...lol another theory is that he is dead and some how the black goo is brought on board the covenant and it reguvinates him into something...or! he is egg morphed somehow at the end as others have brought up and leave the movie with a twist to go into the next.

Keep in mind also that Franco and McBride are real life buddies and have been in a lot of movies together and they're both fans. So McBride could have given him the high five to be part of the franchise even though it could be a small role and only be there to help build on curdups character in the movie.

Neomorph

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Posted Mar-19-2017 8:32 AM

Maybe humans from Earth wiped out the Engineers on paradise

*mind blown* 

Bold theory but possible. If the planned Alien prequel trilogy becomes a reality (things can always change/be cancelled) , I could see this as a major plot twist at the very end, with W-Y being behind everything! Because they are bad mofos of evil industrialism who want to inhabit other planets.

This could also explain why the engineers are so darn pissed off that they want to ANNIHILATE the WHOLE human race! Sh*t it takes more than Peter's desire to cheat death to cause such a hatred towards mankind. Maybe the flashbacks of Peter Weyland and David in AC reveal or hints at some evil masterplan? Remember "we are the gods now"...

 

Sorry I got a bit carried away there...

So anyway, I think it would be a weird choice to cast and then waste James Franco on such a small role, then again Patrick Wilson was in Prometheus (and he was among the more well-known actors in that film) for like 3.5 seconds before he was forgotten.

However, I could sort of see the possibility of Franco being "recycled" later on for another shocking twist and/or as an emotional plot device for the film (given the fact that he's Daniels' husband) but that "emotional couple scene" between them could also take place aboard the ship early in the film.

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Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott’s 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.

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