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Trailer 2 Dome Image Questions

Ati

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Posted Mar-16-2017 3:55 PM

Some questions about the newest Alien: Covenant trailer holocaust shot:

Is there a relatively tall fence around the central dome?

Inside the fence we can see the buildings of a city? Is that area a forbidden place?

There are three statues outside the fence. They seem to show humanoid creatures in sitting position. What about the other structures outside the fence? The one on the right seems to be intact. Is that a huge column? The one on the left seems to be destroyed and its four pieces can be seen among the creatures. Is that true?

I think there are two kinds of creatures in the field: a taller Engineer-like species and a smaller human-like species. Do you agree?

I think these two species fight/fought with each other, we can see a battle scene. The holocaust act happened during the battle. Do you agree? I believe we can see a kind of rebellion against the ruler species. Were the smaller creatures slaves?

The close-ups show the smaller creatures in my opinion. It was underlined by other members that these bodies are burnt. But the pieces of their clothes seem to be relatively intact. How is it possible?

Thank you for the answers.

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Inquisitor Fifield

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Posted Mar-16-2017 3:59 PM

Holocaust? I dont think any of the species involved were jewish or nazis..

*although if Jesus was an engineer, who knows.

**srsly genocide is the fitting term.

Ati

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Posted Mar-16-2017 4:09 PM

The term holocaust comes from the Greek adjective holókaustos, a variant of holókautos, referring to an animal sacrifice offered to a god in which the whole (hólos)[17] animal is completely burnt (kautós[18] or kaustós[19]).[20]

Inquisitor Fifield

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Posted Mar-16-2017 4:15 PM

well since circa 1944 it is rather used exclusively otherwise. 

Ati

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Posted Mar-16-2017 4:24 PM

Oxford English Dictionary:

holocaust

noun

1 - Destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war.

‘a nuclear holocaust’

Origin:

Middle English: from Old French holocauste, via late Latin from Greek holokauston, from holos ‘whole’ + kaustos ‘burnt’ (from kaiein ‘burn’).

Inquisitor Fifield

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Posted Mar-16-2017 4:32 PM

Quote all you want, still disrespectful to use it for fictional and irrelevant stuff because of said historical connection.

Farlander

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Posted Mar-16-2017 5:49 PM

Well, "holocaust" was never specific to jewish/nazi events simply because of its own definiton, so it can't be disrespectful to make a proper use of a term. Any reasonable history enthusiast will read it related to a lof of different events. Since its meaning is about sacrifice, if any application of it could be disrespectful, it would be exactly to apply it to the jews, since what happened was anything but a sacrifice. If someone used it strictly to a single event, he did it wrong. 

But... let's talk Alien! That's the reason we're all here.

@Ati I don't know about the corpses, but I didn't had noticed this "city-like" behind the "walls"(?) of the dome. The look of the structures reminds me of what we have in the worship room - the human(?) big head, the murals... it all seems to be part of the same culture. The question is: can we assure it's all Engineer's...?

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"There's nothing in the desert and no man needs nothing."

BigDave

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Posted Mar-16-2017 6:54 PM

We cant read to  much into the relation between the Jews and Nazis.

So ATI is completely correct, and a Holocaust in general means the deliberate eradication or attempt of... of a entire Race or Religion.

So indeed had the Last Engineer not been stopped by the Prometheus Ship then a Holocaust  against Mankind on Earth would have happened... sometimes Holocaust and Genocide are interchangeable.

I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!

BigDave

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Posted Mar-16-2017 7:00 PM

The Scene in question does look like some kind of Genocide/Holocaust event.

You could even compare it to a Sodom and Gomorrah type event where God had conducted a Genocide/Holocaust type event against those who God had deemed Sinners and wicked and un-saveable  in the eyes of God for their wickedness and disobedience against all God thought as Just.

I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!

LVBank

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Posted Mar-16-2017 9:53 PM

Man Inquisitor Fifield always negative- do all of us a favor and stop trolling!- Ati is right!  Btw I am in a half Jewish family -and surprise no offense.  Haven't you ever heard the term nuclear holocuast and it has nothing to do with being Jewish!  Actually I think big Dave said it better than I did...

@Ati I have a theory - the dome looks similar to Prometheus's in size and shape- and the rock formations in  prometheus even look similar in size to the statues around the dome in this picture. Could it be that this is a dome will eventually become  an abandoned dome with all of the deadly things that were in Prometheus? They dated the engineers at being 2000 years old and the storms are pretty brutal maybe it is  A similar dome but the ones in Prometheus I just are a lot more weathered due to the "silica" storms that can fry your suit

I can't speculate on the city though.-  maybe they move on and things get too rough.  all a theory of course.  Plus there looks to be something on top of the dome maybe it's a head that eventually get weathered and ends up looking like a scull like in  prometheus which seemed odd.

  --LMG fan group member #2 out

Inquisitor Fifield

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Posted Mar-17-2017 7:36 AM

2017 - having an opinion is trolling now.

Still antisemitic to abuse the term even when asked to pls stop.

Davefried81

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Posted Mar-17-2017 7:46 AM

The trailer images remind me of the images of Jonestown.  Has anyone ever thought that this may be a mass suicide?  Perhaps they ingested something? 

A L I E N 4 2 6

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Posted Mar-17-2017 8:06 AM

No it is not "anti-semetic" to use the term "holocaust" in its proper definition. Stop being a snowflake and being so offended. And if it does offend you then leave the forum. You've actually been getting on my nerves in this place. 

Davefried81

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Posted Mar-17-2017 8:19 AM

Im as Jewish as they get.  Holocaust the term is not anti-semetic.  

Skrapha

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Posted Mar-17-2017 9:47 AM

Man, these topics get derailed so easily, and by the same few people every time....

On the OP's topic, I think the bodies are very strange. Not only do some look very deformed, like they were in the process of changing, but they look like they died recently. No decomposition that I can tell, just general sootiness and black dirt on the skin.  Like they were drowned in Black Goo. 

Skrapha

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Posted Mar-17-2017 9:47 AM

Man, these topics get derailed so easily, and by the same few people every time....

On the OP's topic, I think the bodies are very strange. Not only do some look very deformed, like they were in the process of changing, but they look like they died recently. No decomposition that I can tell, just general sootiness and black dirt on the skin.  Like they were drowned in Black Goo. 

Inquisitor Fifield

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Posted Mar-17-2017 9:59 AM

Do you ever not double post your comments Skrapha? Doubleclicking the mouse is just for windows, not the browser in case you are new to the internet or a senior citizen.

 

Ati

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Posted Mar-17-2017 5:05 PM

Farlander, BigDave, LVBank, Davefried81, ALIEN426, Skrapha -- thank you for your supportive and relevant comments. I'm going to answer/write/add images later.

Starlogger

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Posted Mar-17-2017 5:10 PM

holocaust is a noun. Holocaust is an event. Period.

No one has exclusive rights to a "word". That's just silly.

TheXenoneoprotomorph

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Posted Mar-18-2017 4:41 PM

They all seem to be engineers to me 

Ati

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Posted Mar-18-2017 5:46 PM

Farlander - I think there are a lot of buildings around the dome. These images are from the new trailer:

First I thought that the dome can be seen in the background here but then I realised that we see a mountain. In the distance on the left the tops of some buildings can be discovered:

This picture shows the buildings clearly on the left behind Daniels.

Ati

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Posted Mar-18-2017 5:55 PM

LVBank, I think the domes in Prometheus and the dome in the new A:C trailer are different. Look at this image, on the right there is the dome and its walls are totally different. This building is a much more sophisticated structure:

And yes, there is this gold(en) something on the top, BigDave wrote an awesome summary about it:

Ati

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Posted Mar-18-2017 6:16 PM

Two other images showing the fence (?)/some columns of the fence (?)/or just some columns... :) I think they can be found very close to the dome.

If I'm not mistaken there's a statue on the top of the column. It's hard to tell but it looks like a human-like creature:

Mr. Nostromo

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Posted Mar-20-2017 1:09 AM

I was looking at a Giger doc & found this, apparently concept art from Alien, I believe originally the eggs were to be discovered in some sort of temple vs. the derelict, & guess this might have been an initial pass on that idea. Looking at the stills from the trailer it looks similar: the striations running up and down (apart from the columns/crown at the top). Would be nice if they returned to some of the key art Giger made, that stuff was so evocative and alien.

Shasta cyclone

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Posted Mar-20-2017 2:56 AM

going by the pics it looks like there is a lot of structure almost a metropolis and very romanisc  architecture or citadel . imo and great topic. Maybe the rebellion started here 

Parkerparrot

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Posted Mar-20-2017 6:04 AM

Mr Nostromo.

Very true that! I too wish that we would see more of the Gigeresque design in coming films. It is just sooo awesome!

 

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Davefried81

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Posted Mar-20-2017 6:44 AM

Does anyone else notice that the crouched beings next to the dome have really odd shaped heads?  I still feel that the beings where Covenant lands are not Engineers, but a different species. 

SteveRogers1973

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Posted Mar-20-2017 7:06 AM

It is difficult to make out the figures in those stills.  The dead ones in low light.  The first thing it called to mind for me was the burned bodies in The Thing that were burned while it was changing 

Babylonxeno

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Posted Mar-20-2017 12:24 PM

If you look at paradise lost, satan corrupts adam and eve, what if david and shaw left lv-223, found the terrible engineers, and then were corrupted and given a planet they could rule over, the one in covenant? Perhaps they ate tricked into using the black goo on a humanoid species.

BigDave

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Posted Mar-20-2017 2:49 PM

@Davefried81

To a degree yes it could look like the Mass Suicide, and although i am not sure this is the case here.. In Spaights draft of Alien Engineers the Infected Engineers where all indeed intending to Kill themselves.

I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!

BigDave

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Posted Mar-20-2017 2:51 PM

@SteveRogers1973

This is another possible explanation, that maybe there was a Outbreak and there was some kind of Safety Device... just like when Janek and his Co-Pilot had to Nuke a Science Outpost on Earth because someone Split Something.

This is indeed a viable explanation.

I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!

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