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The Space Jockey wasn't meant to leave the derelict

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Resurgence

Mar-16-2017 8:49 AM

So after playing Alien: Isolation one thing confused me, Why were the corridors so small in comparison to the Space Jockey, with the corridors being tall enough to accommodate the tallest human with an extra foot while the Space Jockey is approximately 2.5 times the height of an average human, which wouldn't make sense, now I know some of you will be saying that's because it has been there a long time so that would be the reasoning behind why it is the way it is, but I point to the Space Jockey itself more specifically it's chest remember that hole in it's chest that everyone has a theory about, well the bone thickness disproves that if it were because of it's age the bone wouldn't be perfectly round like it is and if it were because of fossilization it wouldn't make any sense because the derelict would have to be buried and the jockey wouldn't be a bone white color, leaving it with only one possible way to get around the derelict; crawling, which is extremely inefficient because if there is an emergency it would not be able to escape without permanent harm.

Look upon my works, you mighty, and despair

36 Responses to The Space Jockey wasn't meant to leave the derelict

Neomorph

Mar-16-2017 9:20 AM

That's a good observation, maybe it entered from the floor or ceiling like a human pilot entering a fighter plane? Maybe they crawled but that would be a weird design choice.

It begs the questions, what is the purpose of the smaller tunnels when the SJ can't fit them?

Are they even considered tunnels in Alien? 

Dark Nebula

Mar-16-2017 9:34 AM

I also have Alien: Isolation and yes indeed, the entrance tunnel that leads to the pilot chamber and the tunnel that leads to the beacon room do look human sized and the SJ simply wouldn't fit through.

Idk if it was intentional or it was a mistake by the developers.

suwhited

Mar-16-2017 9:47 AM

I have had this theory for the longest that the creatures in the mural with the Engineers form some sort of symbiotic relationship (ala beetles/aphids; fish/cleaning parasite; humans/double-cheeseburgers...).

Maybe the giant ship wasn't simply for a handful of Engineers, maybe they had other crew as well. Maybe this rejoinder crew was in the form of the alien creatures in the mural who look a little smaller than the Engineers and would be the ones transiting through the tunnels.

 

Farlander

Mar-16-2017 10:17 AM

@suwhited the idea of the ship being designed to carry different species is indeed very interesting! I remember some discussion about the derelict's entrances in some other post here, and some people suggested that maybe the tunnels through wich the human crew find an entrance, could actually be only something related to the ship's construction (air ducts, heatsink, emergency or whatever), not for the transit of Engineers. I honestly don't know what to think, because, however it seems a plausible argument, there's the fact that, inside, the corridors look just the same as the rest of the ship - what doesn't seems to make sense, to me, if it was just some kind of emergency thing or else.

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Starlogger

Mar-16-2017 12:09 PM

Could the "entry corridors" actually be exhaust vents, or fuel lines, or some sort of air delivery system, instead of true "corridors" meant for SJ's/Engineers?

dk

Mar-16-2017 12:21 PM

Starlogger

That's what I was thinking too- and it could double as a way to drop a payload of eggs or goo into the atmosphere.

BigDave

Mar-16-2017 12:44 PM

This is where there is a massive flaw in the Franchise its a complete and utter mess and conflicting...   With every attempt to address it they made continuity flaws we had to consider a over sight.

Prior to Prometheus the only Logical Explanation would have been to go for something indeed truly Alien and along the lines of HR Gigers thinking... but alas..

I think as far as the Games Developers they was trying to make the Scene as accurate to what we saw in Alien and so never considered any other movies or ideas, it was to replicate what we saw in Alien which indeed was those small corridors.

If we take a look at Alien here are a few things we notice.

*There are NO signs of any entrances to the Pilot Chamber the crew of the Nostromo simply climbed up from underneath via those small Tunnels.

*The Space was supposed to be 27ft tall, a illusion only appeared about 21ft with Child Actors that then showed when up close with Adult Actors the Space Jockey would have only been between 13-15ft tall if they was Humanoid and Bi-Pedal Anatomically and so would have had to crawl through where the Humans entered like some kind of Ventilation Shaft.

The Isolation game added that the way they entered was via a those small tunnels that leads directly to the Pilot Room from the sides however.... but still this is to small for the Space Jockey

THEREFOR.....

The only way the Space Jockey could have got into that room is if he accessed the Room from a Lower part of the ship, and thus they enter via another part and enter the Space Jockey Pilot Chair and it then rises like a lift to the upper Level.

The Derelict seems to indeed have a larger area under it (Egg Silo) but we wont get into how this cant possibly fit into the ship.

So in hindsight they never thought it out...

A Logical Explanation would have been that the Ships position themselves above their Docking Stations and the Pilots are entered into the ship from under it as opposed to from above (with Mankinds Fighter Bombers).  The bottom of the ship lowers the Pilot Chair and the Pilot goes into this and it rises into the Ship ready for Take off...

Then the Egg Silo should have been considered a Place the Space Jockey was landing on to Drop off or Collect its Payload.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Mar-16-2017 12:46 PM

The other option is as the OT Topic is trying to touch upon and that is the Space Jockey is part of the Ship, Permanently attached.

The only get around now is the Engineers borrowed and re-engineered this Technology, but instead its now looking likely at some point we would have to accept that a Walter Pilots a similar Ship in the Alien Covenant Sequel.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Babylonxeno

Mar-16-2017 12:50 PM

The original derelict was based on an eygptian funeral barge, they just wrapped the alien story around it, i think the only way they can bring it into the prequels is by having some kind of 'super engineer' that gets involved in punishing  david/humans for messing with the goo?

Babylonxeno

Mar-16-2017 12:52 PM

By the way, if the xeno is created by david (maybe) then how come the derelict was full of xeno eggs? Are the xenos a 'battle design' to withstand retaliation from their targets?

S.M

Mar-16-2017 12:58 PM

Leaving Isolation aside (due to glaring inaccuracies), we never see the whole Jockey chamber in the film, so there could be other access tunnels off screen.  If the layout is similar to the Juggernaut, access to that chamber is from the opposite direction than where Kane, Dallas and Lambert entered.

BigDave

Mar-16-2017 1:57 PM

Indeed SM, the Concept Works showed no entrances.

But the movie just off screen there was another part of the ship, which would have required humans to climb over, but the Space Jockey could have stepped over.

I have shown it in this image below with arrows, and so indeed SM potentially this means the Space Jockey could have entered from here and the Actual Pilot Chamber is thus connected to Larger parts of the ship... which matches with the Design Prometheus was going for a bit.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Necronom 4

Mar-16-2017 3:59 PM

"If the layout is similar to the Juggernaut, access to that chamber is from the opposite direction than where Kane, Dallas and Lambert entered." - SM

I doubt that there were any doorways in the pilot chamber. What makes me say that is:

1) We don't see any.

2) Surely if there were, Kane, Dallas or Lambert would have noticed and gone to investigate what was on the other side of said doorways ?

The poster was good though!

 

S.M

Mar-16-2017 4:04 PM

1) We don't see the whole chamber.

2) They didn't have an opportunity after Kane got facehugged.

That said it should noted that the Juggernaut chamber was round while the Derelict was more cylindrical - at least as far as we could see.

Necronom 4

Mar-16-2017 4:11 PM

"1) We don't see the whole chamber."

Exactly

"2) They didn't have an opportunity after Kane got facehugged."

Yes, but they had an opportunity BEFORE Kane got facehugged.

The poster was good though!

 

Necronom 4

Mar-16-2017 4:33 PM

As for the OT Title "THE SPACE JOCKEY WASN'T MEANT TO LEAVE THE DERELICT."

That's a great assumption (an assumption that I believe too) but we have to remember that Giger was a professional artist and an experienced one at that!

Artist's (especially surrealists) have to take great liberty's with "common sense" and "reality" in order to make their art INTERESTING. One of the ways to make your art interesting (and probably the most affective, is to add MYSTERY.

He designed and built the derelict as well as the Jockey, and believe me, he would have put a lot of thought into ever inch of that creation.

His intention was to show us that this giant creature, could not in a million years manoeuvre through those corridors.

He also had a lot of other intentions with that particular piece that people don't really stop to think about.  

 

The poster was good though!

 

S.M

Mar-16-2017 4:35 PM

"Exactly"

Indeed. So there's a lot of room for there to be other access points off screen.

"Yes, but they had an opportunity BEFORE Kane got facehugged."

Guess they chose to investigate down the hole first.

Necronom 4

Mar-16-2017 4:40 PM

"Guess they chose to investigate down the hole first."

Really? LOL

The poster was good though!

 

Necronom 4

Mar-16-2017 5:34 PM

@S.M. I thought you only liked to communicate in facts? Since when did speculation become a part of your MO? 

The poster was good though!

 

S.M

Mar-16-2017 5:39 PM

Speculation has always been part of my MO when we aren't in possession of all the facts.

Necronom 4

Mar-16-2017 5:42 PM

Ok

The poster was good though!

 

Resurgence

Mar-16-2017 6:14 PM

the derelict and juggernaut are completely different designs so what may be the case for prometheus may not be the case for alien

Look upon my works, you mighty, and despair

S.M

Mar-16-2017 6:22 PM

Indeed.  The pilot chamber for the Juggernaut was not only round, it had cryotubes and a control station.  The Juggernaut is substantially bigger, but wasn't as tall if we assume the egg chamber is part of the Derelict and below ground level.

airshaft_surprise

Mar-16-2017 6:37 PM

I still believe, this is only theory but, i mentioned this in a previous topic that the derelict was a short range cargo vessel(absence of cryo-pods) running eggs from 223 to 426, the cavern under the derelict is massive and eggs can be seen as far as the eye can see, kane says "what the hell is this" the next scene shows the expanse of the cavern it snakes off in the distance, so heres what i believe the SJ was placing his next batch of eggs in the cavern

for some reason he had his elephantine helmet open, got facehugged came too, made his way back to the bridge, set up the warning beacon, after he got told by the engineers not to come back to 223.

Another theory i have for the shaft next to the pilot chair, is in prometheus the chair rises out of the floor and obviously retracts back into the floor, the derelict would be no different in other words maybe thats how the SJ entered the subterranean cavern by the same means, the chair would be like a lift, and the eggs get lowered down into the chamber by some other method somewhere else on the derelict, just a theory.

BigDave

Mar-16-2017 6:38 PM

This is why i HOPE the 10 Page book that they will reference off in future, they have thought about all this stuff every detail... no stone left un-turned...

who knows now however... we dont know 100% what direction they are going and if they are going with David created the Eggs and the Derelict never existed before Alien Covenant then i hope they have every other inch figured out.

I think a problem has been that every person who has taken on a Alien movie had not througghly thought out continituity.

I did when i was working on my own Fan-Made draft but the whole Engineer, Xeno, Mankind and why Agenda i was at a stumbling block so i aborted the project... but if there was NO Prometheus Sequel and i was asked to restart it now i think i could have done it a bit more justice with very little contradictions.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Mar-16-2017 6:40 PM

@airshaft_surprise

Indeed thats kind of a good explanation and the point i was pondering about ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Necronom 4

Mar-16-2017 6:51 PM

The derelict in ALIEN appeared more organic than the juggernaut.

The corridors of the derelict looked like the insides of a giant creature with it's bony textures and what looked like, to me, a large vein.

The pilot chamber and egg silo are similar in it's Bony interior design.

I think that's where people get the impression that it's organic from.

During the creation of the derelict set they had big cattle bones brought in and even Giger was repulsed by the stench.

It obviously meant a great deal to the overall feel and aesthetic of the piece.      

The poster was good though!

 

airshaft_surprise

Mar-16-2017 6:55 PM

@Necronom 4, yes the mystery thats what i liked about the first alien movie the not knowing and the hesitation and probably fear of the unknown that the three nostromo members were about to encounter. 

S.M

Mar-16-2017 7:01 PM

"Another theory i have for the shaft next to the pilot chair, is in prometheus the chair rises out of the floor and obviously retracts back into the floor, the derelict would be no different in other words maybe thats how the SJ entered the subterranean cavern by the same means, the chair would be like a lift, and the eggs get lowered down into the chamber by some other method somewhere else on the derelict, just a theory."

Good point.  Never really considered the Jockey chair on the Derelict rising up like the Juggernaut and where it was rising up from.

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