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CGI and Practical Aliens, and Which Alien are You Looking Forward to Most?

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A L I E N 4 2 6

Mar-14-2017 2:14 PM

If I understand correctly, Ridley said that they are using practical suits with CGI touch ups (to make them thinner; more Alien, etc.). However, in the trailer I'm pretty sure I saw nothing but CGI monsters, so what gives? Also, which Alien type are you guys most pumped about? Are you hoping for a full on Xeno? Are you most excited for the Organic Protomorph? The Neos? Are you hoping for a Deacon??? Let me know! 

44 Responses to CGI and Practical Aliens, and Which Alien are You Looking Forward to Most?

Parkerparrot

Mar-14-2017 3:09 PM

The Protomorph. And that thing with a goblinshark-head that we have not seen yet... I want a man in a suit! Not the CGI thing. I would not be surprised if we have to wait another movie for the the big chap...

              "Bees have hives, man" 

ninXeno426

Mar-14-2017 3:18 PM

Practical,no if's ands or buts.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

Necronom 4

Mar-14-2017 3:20 PM

What I'm hoping for from ALIEN: Covenant is something that I know, for a fact, I'm not going to get.

Regarding the use of CGI in films; I would prefer if it wasn't used at all. CGI in film should only ever be used in concepting an idea.

CGI in fan art, just for fun or in video games is great, but for an Hollywood blockbuster, NO.

I could maybe accept it being used in grandiose backgrounds where it's impossible to find in reality. But close-up shots, be it vehicles or creatures should never be CGI; Atleast until it has become more advanced.

The poster was good though!

 

Parkerparrot

Mar-14-2017 3:27 PM

You totally nailed it, Necronom IV.

              "Bees have hives, man" 

Rick

Mar-14-2017 3:27 PM

I agree with you nin practical butts are much better than CGI....LOL

S.M

Mar-14-2017 3:37 PM

The CGI vs. practical effects is one of the more dumb arguments in filmmaking.

There's good CGI and bad CGI just as how there's good practical and bad practical.  Just look at many people moan about the non-existant "CG" Alien in Alien3...

What am I looking forward to? Not being able to tell the difference.

Ati

Mar-14-2017 5:53 PM

I want CGI if it is able or needed to provide something extra.

MonsterZero

Mar-14-2017 6:07 PM

I agree with S.M.

 

Love to have seen what Hitchcock/Welles/Kubrick/Capra/ETC... Would have done with the tech! Fritz Lang would have done something amazing!

Ati

Mar-14-2017 6:13 PM

Kubrick's 2001's moon surface scenes are perfect - this is the other (no CGI) extreme.

S.M

Mar-14-2017 6:25 PM

The Dawn of Man scenes however don't really stand up to the clarity of blu-ray, and give away the background projection screen.  The still image cutouts for the spaceships are also more obvious.

The model stuff still stands up.

dk

Mar-14-2017 6:40 PM

I pretty much agree with SM. I don't care as long as it looks good.

Neomorph

Mar-14-2017 6:58 PM

The CGI vs. practical effects is one of the more dumb arguments in filmmaking.

Yeah the xenos in AR with PS2 game cutscene quality CG shouldn't be compared to the practical suit-versions at all...

Deep Blue Sea unrealistically twitchy polygons vs the puppet sharks.

There's good CGI and bad CGI just as how there's good practical and bad practical.  Just look at many people moan about the non-existant "CG" Alien in Alien3...

Absolutely

What am I looking forward to? Not being able to tell the difference.

Of course, not sure if there's any person who likes to tell the difference.

Imo, I'd prefer to see as little CGI as possible overall, especially when it comes to creatures and humans (use stunt doubles as much as possible), and particularly in close-up shots (hello CG Leia, T: Salvation Arnold Schwarzenegger, also that red-lit corridor jumping alien from the latest AC trailer looked like a teaser for Alien Isolation 2)

Instead, I hope to see a lot of the CG effort put into:

- "merely" enhancing and adding or deleting environments, objects. 

- Spaceships if and when necessary (easier to make realistic as opposed to animated creatures.) However, Nolan (among a few others) proved with Interstellar that ship models still work amazingly well when done right. 

As for which Alien I'm mostly looking forward to see, none in particular just how they are presented and how they intend to show us that Ridley Scott's aliens are the baddest, scariest, most vicious and evil creatures in cinema history. 

S.M

Mar-14-2017 7:57 PM

If it looks good, they can use as little or as much CGI as they like.

"Yeah the xenos in AR with PS2 game cutscene quality CG shouldn't be compared to the practical suit-versions at all...

Deep Blue Sea unrealistically twitchy polygons vs the puppet sharks."

Fairly pointless - not to mention hyperbolic - comment given the context.

dk

Mar-15-2017 2:47 AM

Neomorph  Yeah- This forum is mostly about our opinions lol!

Neomorph

Mar-15-2017 3:17 AM

Yeah dk, but maybe I should request permission from S.M to have my own opinion, because how dare I have another opinion than his! Apparently. 

#sarcasm (just in case lol) 

S.M

Mar-15-2017 3:55 PM

Aren't you all just precious delicate little petals when someone disagrees with your desperately important "opinions".

Adorable.

lol

 

Neomorph

Mar-15-2017 5:20 PM

Wait was that a joke S.M? Please tell me that was at least a hint at a joke? 

Ok... let me just step out of the McDonald's ball pit here....

....and chat with you like an android without the humor files installed.

I respect people who disagree with my comments (like you've disagreed with me on more than one occasion). In fact, I expect people to disagree with a lot of the controversial and often blunt things I write (often wrapped in a humoristic fashion), but I truly like to discuss and debate lots of things here and also shed some positive energy.  

Regarding practical effects vs CGI, I believe I answered your comment pretty well because I can't see how this supposed "context" works with your rather general statement about CGI vs practical effects. Did I misunderstand what you meant? Then it would certainly be helpful if you replied in a more elaborate manner.

I promise that I will never joke with you again S.M 

*gets back to the ball pit* 

SenseOfDoubt

Mar-15-2017 5:25 PM

Good CGI for me. I still cringe when I see Kane's baby zoom across that table.

 

BUT, (Possible Spoiler) I'm interested in seeing the effect of a guy in a suit on a pair of running blades... if it's been done really well.

Shasta cyclone

Mar-15-2017 6:00 PM

I'm cool with cgi as long as it's not Skimpt on.

I'm looking forward to seeing the alien that we have not seen yet. ( I hope lol ) or know about.

S.M

Mar-15-2017 6:44 PM

"I promise that I will never joke with you again S.M "

Jokes are fine.

Cherry picking things out of context, misrepresenting, snide sneering; not much fun in that.

Neomorph

Mar-15-2017 6:57 PM

You still won't explain what I "took out of context"

Also, explain what you considered "misrepresenting" and "snide sneering" 

Take your time

S.M

Mar-15-2017 7:12 PM

EDIT.  I posted a response but removed it.  PM me if you want to pursue the drama.

Neomorph

Mar-15-2017 7:54 PM

EDIT: Why did you remove it S.M? 

You certainly give me the impression of being upset.

I honestly initially interpreted your first paragraph as more of a standalone general statement, then I provided my opinion on practical vs CG effects in Alien and Deep Blue Sea which crossed my mind. Is it possible for you to believe that? The first thing that crossed my mind was my own comparison, can we put it into consideration? 

It is beyond me how you believe that I'm trying to undermine your opinions. To be crystal clear; that is not my intention as I see no value or joy in that whatsoever. Wouldn't me also agreeing with your second paragraph (and several times before) be a sign of that? I think you've made a lot of good points here in the forum. 

As for "juvenile" S.M, please, don't stay too close to the mirror when you reply. I didn't call your statements "dumb" or "desperately important opinions" and I'm sure not calling you a "precious little petal" 

Ati

Mar-15-2017 8:03 PM

He removed it because he had to concentrate on how to attack my topic in the other thread.

S.M

Mar-15-2017 8:05 PM

I removed it because it's pointless drama that will achieve nothing.

 

airshaft_surprise

Mar-15-2017 8:07 PM

2001's sfx was pretty outstanding for 1968 i watch it now and i still say wow! "this was made the year before man walking on the moon".

I reckon mixture of both cg and practical in a balanced way, over use of cg tends to spoil a film, thats my opinion anyway.

 

Ati

Mar-15-2017 8:07 PM

A drama queen. :)

Ati

Mar-15-2017 8:09 PM

airshaft, 2001 - the same here

BMacReady

Mar-15-2017 8:49 PM

I do prefer practical. However, CGI when it's done right is excellent! I gotta say that shot in the trailer with the protomorph at the very end of it looked great! If they all look like that I'll be A OK with it!

"Sometimes to create, one must first destroy." 

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