"We are Walter"?

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MemberPraetorianMarch 10, 2017I'm certain a lot of you have seen the Meet Walter video by now.It's very different in look and mood than The Last Supper.But i have one question,does the "We are Walter" line suggest a collective intelligence?Is there more than one Walter?That part i guess is pretty obvious,so i guess the question should be will we see more than one Walter?
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This assumes that is what he said- but it sounds like it to me. On a different thread I asked:
Does that imply an awareness to the other Walters?
Or even an awareness to other synths- that could support the member who posted asking if David/Walter were communicating by means unknown to the crew.
Possibly,it seems that after the androids being in the background for decades,they are becoming more of a primary focus.
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Problem I'm seeing is, if Androids are becoming more "present", then why the hell wouldn't a single person on the Nostromo crew suspect one of the others is actually an Android? You'd think that that would be part of every day life and they'd wonder and try and find out that critical piece of info from every crewmember at some point along their voyage.
The video shows what appear to be synths building the synths and installing some kind of chip. From the video, humans don't seem to be in the equation so may not be exactly certain of what is going into their production.
Who knows... is Walter a Borg lol
I think this really shows us is that Walter is a Model and not the Chosen Name for him.. i.e he is not a David 9... so it would seem that since a Merger that Yutani have maybe Merged some of their Android Tech with Weylands.. as Weyland had the Patent for the real life like skin etc.
There is a lot to analyze from this Viral etc... but yes it would seem he is a new model, however it also maybe seems he can interface with other Walters..
Can David interface with him? Thats a big Question.
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I concur,what ever is designing Walter doesn't seem human.As for Alien,i believe they were aware of androids of course.The shock came from that there was one part of their crew with out their knowledge.
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I could not help but get that vibe that this could be a hint to the Alien/Blade Runner bridge.
I believe the "We are Walter" statement has a deep significance and is specifically referencing the Walter model's ability to imprint the personalities of those he associates with. I could be wrong on this but it seems our attention is being drawn to his "biosocial compatibility". A feature which (if I understand it correctly) would mean that Walter is a little bit of everyone he comes into contact with, hence "We are Walter".
I've been thinking about this from the time I watched the viral and have begun putting together a theory on the significance which I will be sharing in a separate thread shortly. Very interested to hear if anyone else has started thinking along these lines.
Hello Queen Elizabeth Shaw,it's been awhile.That's an intriguing idea,but i can't say i've thought of it yet.My thinking is that Walter runs on an assembly line,so when he says "We are Walter",it could be in recognition of already existing brothers that perhaps have already communicated with him.
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It is true, it could simply be a reference to his brother Walters. I've been thinking so much about the emphasis on his imprinting feature that I could simply be imposing those thoughts onto the "We are Walter" quote. It'll be hard to determine until I see more of the character.
Indeed thats a good debate QES
I think but could be wrong.. this means
Walter Imprints himself into his owners at the time... and so takes on personal traits of them, but what happens when they are not around?
Or maybe he can continue to gain imprints off others he interacts with, this has many potential problems and maybe we could see a Personality Overload... We could argue David has a Split Personality.... but boy oh boy maybe Walter has the potential to have as many Personalities as Kevin (McEvoy) from Switch lol
I am sure he could get overloaded and go bonkers...
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Wonder if that specific Walter in the virals is assigned by Weylandyutani for the covenant mission (since he has many other copies for sale), or does he belong to one of the pilots or shipmates...also, why did WeylandYutani use the same face as David's..who is the template modeled after?
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Excellent question Centauri.I do believe there has got to be some significance behind there resemblance.This is unlikely,because i think they just would have used him instead,but perhaps David is meant to resemble a young Peter Weyland.
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I would also believe the Walter from the video is indeed the same.I would also say assignment,though if he's owned,then i'd say perhaps to Branson and Daniels.
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Could be David is just a specific Walter model made for Weyland .... like Boba Fett was to Jango. David is "Weyland's Walter".
This may be thinking too big, but I have a couple theories. Everything so far has been leaning in the creationist / intelligent design way, to link the Alien stories to a far bigger story that Ridley is wanting to tell. So here goes ...
1)
Have you read the story of Prometheus? He was the son of a titan who went against Zeus and - because he felt bad for humans - gave them fire. Zeus warned him that the humans could try to use it to overpower their creators. But Promethues did it anyway and was punished.
The black goo is like fire in the Prometheus story. It has the power to give life or to take it away. Did the goo come from the Engineers' creators? Maybe the Engineers are being punished for trying to give or use the goo on humans? Since Jesus has already been mentioned as an important part of this overarching story (by Ridley himself!), I'm wondering if he is somehow tied to (or made from) the goo?
My theory is this: Engineers felt bad for early humans, who were always at war. To help them, they used the goo to somehow create Jesus. Maybe to give us hope? This ends up being a big mistake - like giving humans fire.
Anyway, we kill Jesus and this worries the Engineers to the point of planning to weaponize the goo to clean us up. As we have seen, it all goes downhill from there.
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Engineers made us. We made androids. What happens when androids now join into this cycle?
What if the Engineers' creators were machines? What if this is a cycle where machines end up outliving their creators throughout time , and end up becoming the new seeders? May sound far fetched, but as I think we will see in the next movie, (and got clues of so far) David is fascinated by exploration and creation. He was MADE that way by Weyland. Now (like many androids before him maybe throughout time) his creator is dead, and he will live indefinitely. What will he do with that time? What have other civilizations' androids done when their makers died off? Could androids be divine in some way?
Thanks Odencrantz for your contribution.The idea official machines now creating and coming full circle is an intriguing theory
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@Odencrantz Your theories makes me wonder if we're about to see one Covenant being broken and a new one being made. Question: how would David play in this role? He doesn't represent a faction, or a species, or a group of interest (imo he's already set apart from Weyland corp. after Peter's death, and sees himself not as 'one of multiple fellow synthetics', but as an individual - I am David / We are Walter). He's such an independent player, the only one able to be an outside observer of the facts and, at the same time, a direct agent.
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In regards to the collective artificial intelligence discussed above, I believe the piano in the room where the androids are built is used to test the transfer of memories.
If the transfer is successful, then the newly awoken android should be able to play songs on the piano the previous android (from whom the memories were harvested) was able to.
QueenElizabethShaw, I agree.
"A feature which (if I understand it correctly) would mean that Walter is a little bit of everyone he comes into contact with, hence "We are Walter".
The "little bit of everyone" you mention is referring to (I believe) the default payments clause above in regards to DNA rights. If your DNA is used to construct a portion of the Walter collective then you will lose rights to the use of this DNA upon non-payment.
@Farlander:
I bet you are right. In fact, on the new planet we will see, the previous inhabitants appear to be wiped out ... be they Engineers or local humans (worshippers?). Did David and Elizabeth find it that way? Did they / he cause it? Covenant shuffle seems to be in play
David - again who should be immune to xenomorphs - may have come and used Elizabeth to bring judgment upon the engineers. I've been leaning on that theory all morning. After all, he's had Elizabeth to imprint onto him for the last few months or years. That sounds like something she would do!
Still leaves the question of what David will / has been doing AFTER Elizabeth. I hope we see depth into an unobstructed android creator story.
@Ingeniero
You bring up an interesting topic. the engineers used music as part of their language. Does the piano "play" into it? (yes, pun)
Although remember, we may be seeing David flashback to when he was created and may have been "training".
@QES
They definitely didn't put that message there for nothing. Whether it is a commercial gag or something deeper, you may be on to something.