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Why Blomkamp's Alien movie has to wait

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cmutt

Mar-08-2017 3:04 PM

I don't know if this has already been said in another thread, but I'll throw this out there anyway.

It makes perfect sense why Blomkamp's movie should wait. The events of Prometheus, Covenant, etc., will probably greatly affect whatever happens in a continuation of Ripley's story.

In "Alien", Ripley found out that the company already knew that the signal was a warning, and that the company had an agenda in sending the Nostromo there... with the late inclusion of Ash.

In "Aliens", she again sees that the company had its own agenda regarding the xenomorphs. Ripley knew about the original derilect ship and the mysterious alien life form (engineer). She knew about the eggs, the facehuggers, and she saw what came out of Kane. She also saw how the xeno could transform Dallas and Brett... and she eventually found out about the Queen.

So Ripley knows a lot by the end of "Aliens". It's only natural that her search would include digging up as much info as she could about the history of the company in regards to the engineers and the xenomorphs.

This search would lead her to the events of Prometheus, Covenant, and so on. So everything that is currently happening with the prequels directly affects the details of what Blomkamp's movie will be about. There may be some very important and critical things that he simply doesn't know about yet, that might be very important for him to touch on later, in Ripley's story.

Bottom line... the crucial history and background for Blomkamp's movie is being written and learned right now. So there's very good reason for that movie to wait.

19 Responses to Why Blomkamp's Alien movie has to wait

SteveRogers1973

Mar-08-2017 3:11 PM

@CMUTT - Yes.  Correct.

I will throw something else out there for us crystal ball watchers: In Aliens Hudson (I think it was him) said he hope this mission (paraphrasing) wasn't "just another bug hunt?" Although the story is likely unwritten at this point, I can't help but wonder if that will turn out to be more prophetic (in the reverse sense because it would have to refer to some "bug hunt" whe would see in the next 2 movies) than originally thought.

dk

Mar-08-2017 3:19 PM

Maybe true but I thought it was simpler than that. RS wanted to do his thing first especially way back when fans weren't too excited about Prometheus 2 but got really amped about Alien 5- possibly stealing some thunder from RS. Remember back then RS pretty much said "the beast is cooked" regarding xenos and decided to use them after reaction to Bloomkamp's movie.

cmutt

Mar-08-2017 3:42 PM

Imho, I just think that RS originally wanted to forgo doing too much with xenomorphs, and he wanted to really concentrate on the engineers... mostly on who were they? And then later on, how were they connected to the xenomorphs. That's what all of his original interviews said.

But then after Prometheus sort of muddied the waters and got a little too off track for the large majority of the movie going public... he probably felt a combination of studio pressure, and perhaps his own personal desire to give the public what they want. I mean he even says it in his interviews, you want alien monsters... I'll give you all of that, and more.

So I think he genuinely wants to preserve part of his original ideas, and give us some history and background. But I think he's also decided to get to the meat and potatoes a little faster too, by going into the history of the xeno's sooner than he planned. Thereby giving the action hungry public what they want, and satisfying the pockets of the studio too.

But whatever his reasons, the fact is that these prequels serve as an important backdrop for Blomkamp's movie. It would be dumb for his movie to come out before all of the history is in place. There may be some truly intriguing and juicy things for him to refer back to, in terms of whatever Ripley and his movie will uncover later.

BigDave

Mar-08-2017 3:47 PM

Ridley Scott and Fox wanted to explore the Engineers more their History their Agenda, why was we created, who created them what purpose was the Engineers and us Created and what else have they created (those above the Engineers) and to then give hints to why the Xeno was made, for what purpose and by who.

It would have not been as Alieny as Covenant or Aliens, but Fox saw that Fans was more interested in Alien 5, and Ripley and that they was disappointed that Prometheus never clearly answered the Xenomorph Origins or had Xenos running around.

Fox realized that bringing the Xeno back into it and answers sooner rather than latter was what Fans wanted, rather than Follow Shaw and David and why the Engineers was up to what they was up to.

So they saw the interest Blomkamps movie was gaining, and also Blomkamps movie was to tackle a few elements that would conflict  Ridley Scotts Alien Prequel plans...  that has to be to do with.

*Xeno Origin

*Engineers Tech, and Ships and what is left to salvage post Alien.

*Black Goo and other evolutionary elements with the Xenomorph.

So Fox had decided to give us more Alien answers and more Alien feel and Aliens running around in the next movie, while only teasing a Engineer Story.

Alien fans get their FIX... Fox cash in on Hype of Alien 5, Prometheus Fans get a few teases about Engineers and it sets up the next Alien Prequel to bring the Xeno answers more into it and Engineers and then leave Alien Fans wanted to maybe know more about who created the Xeno and why after getting the answers about how it happened.

So they would get their Xeno answers and be left wondering... ok so now thats got me interested about the nasty %^£$^£$£^ who are all behind this..

So its a Win, Win...

Then i guess after Alien Covenant but certainly after its sequel they could make Alien 5 and have that movie not have to worry about treading on the Prequels toes or spoiling or conflicting anything to do with the Xeno, Engineers, and Technology etc

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Mar-08-2017 3:48 PM

@cmutt

Indeed that seems to be the case ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BM

Mar-08-2017 3:58 PM

RS has stated there are possibly two more movies after this to complete the full arc to Alien - that's another 3 to 5 years minimum to create the whole back story - can they wait that long? 

Also I've always felt that the reference to 'just another bug hunt' was just that, these marines had been sent on missions that initially looked like they might find more complex life - primed and ready for a fight and all they'd found was the equivalent of bugs!! They knew nothing about the xeno, face huggers & the events of Alien until they were briefed by Ripley.

This is my First time posting so hi

dk

Mar-08-2017 4:02 PM

BM

Welcome. Yes that seems like a long wait especially if he has other projects to take even longer. Maybe that is in part what this "rule book" is about that is on another thread.

S.M

Mar-08-2017 5:42 PM

I'd be surprised if Blomkamp's film ever ends up happening at this point. 

ninXeno426

Mar-08-2017 5:44 PM

Me too 

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

cmutt

Mar-09-2017 9:01 AM

Yeah, I agree that 3-5 years is a very long time for Blomkamp's movie to wait, especially when pre/post production could add another year or two. Can Sigourney and Biehn even wait that long and still be able to play their characters, at their appropriate ages of his story? They are already much older than the Aliens timeline.

Blomkamp may be able to begin his movie once a certain amount of information has been shown in Ridley's movies, or once RS has given him all that he needs to know. But it still makes sense for him to wait at least a few years... once some of the history and subplot has been determined.

That said, I can imagine if both directors are very careful, and if they were to plan everything out really well... they could tell both stories and have their movies out in the same time periods.

We're already learning the history with Prometheus and Covanent, so if Blomkamp's movie were to come out in a few years it could work as a sort of before and after series.

Alien (5) could tell its story while still dealing with and relating to all of the events in the prequels. In fact, that could be very interesting and entertaining. So Blomkamp doesn't necessarily have to wait 4 or 5 years, but probably at least 2-3 years.

Grinning & Dropping Linen

Mar-09-2017 12:02 PM

Personally while i would definitely watch a Blomkamp Alien film im fine if it never happens. I lived District 9 but outside of that he has a spotty production record. I have no interest in seeing Ripley shoe horned into another one of these films, i would rather they focus on Hicks and leave her out of it. It would be fresh and without the worn out hero thing that is played out. The last time she played Ripley was in that trash heap that was Alien:Resurrection..that movie was awful awful awful, the dialog was beyond corny and that film had so many cheesy moments that should never be in an Alien franshise film, so im ok if Blomkamp wants to tell an Alien story but please leave Sigourney Weaver at home. Just by having her in the story it forces the story to be somewhat predictable. just my honest opinion

cmutt

Mar-09-2017 1:32 PM

I do agree that SW lost a lot of credibility with Resurrection, but I wouldn't have a problem seeing her in another Alien movie... provided it's done right.

She never should have agreed to do Resurrection, because that was a huge mistake, and a total embarrassment to the franchise. The story was lousy and it makes it look like she was just in it for a pay day.

If Blomkamp's movie does happen, and if he decides to involve Ripley, then they need to really flesh out the story and have a clear direction of where they want to go, and more importantly, exactly what the characters functions will be.

Ripley's character can't come back as the ass kicking heroine again. She has to be more thought out than that. She's seen what the company has tried to do, twice now. And she's learned more about the xeno's. No one has more experience in the matters than her. But what is it that she doesn't know? Where do her next questions and realizations take her? She's never going to trust the company again. As a matter of fact, she'd probably want to investigate the company and expose the conspiracy. But how would her investigation happen, and where would it start? And how would Hick's be involved.

Those are all interesting ideas imo, and I can see that being one of the starting points for having Ripley's character back. But like I said, they have to do it right. They can't pander to the lowest denominator and try to cash in on Ripley's cult status as the dominant force of the story. She can still be the primary vehicle for advancing the story though.

S.M

Mar-09-2017 1:43 PM

Weaver did Resurrection because it was a fresh take on a familiar character - not a retread of "the ass kicking heroine" - and therefore a challenge for an actor.

 

cmutt

Mar-09-2017 1:52 PM

Well, I suppose that's why everyone has their own opinions. To each his own.

Fresh take on the character or not... most people feel that movie failed on almost all levels.

S.M

Mar-09-2017 1:57 PM

I don't know about "most people" or "all levels".  Many people like certain aspects of it, but not the overall film.

BigDave

Mar-09-2017 2:13 PM

Welcome BM ;)

Sadly i have to agree with SM that maybe Blomkamps Alien 5 as he had intended may not be made... to be honest it looked like it had some interesting ideas... but it could have been a Fan Boy Flick and i would have been concerned that we would have seen a Alien 6, 7 and 8... where a 80 year old Ripley has to use a Powerloader to get around lol

I certainly think there is a Chance some form of his Alien 5 would still be made... the broad ideas behind it, the way it would offer a alternative sequel to Aliens where Newt could be passed the Torch and a lot of other elements.

I think these could be explored in a movie down the line, but maybe they wont have Ripely or Hicks unless they are cameos.. depending really how many years down the line before they start to think of making it.

They could always reduced the old Casts Rolls, if the movie is shot in 10 years time and have it set 35 years after Alien or even set 25 years if they use CGI overlay.

But there is a decent chance regardless they could make a alternative sequel of Aliens that would at least cover Newt?

But then depending how Alien Covenant and its Sequels go, maybe they could come up with a Alien movie Franchise number 5 set between Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection but in some other part of the Galaxy or even after.

As Alien Covenant and Sequels could offer a route to the Xenomorphs that is not restricted to having to obtain it from Ripley or LV-426

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cmutt

Mar-09-2017 2:30 PM

Okay S.M, you win.

Resurrection was probably liked by more people than not, and Weaver should probably be commended for her choice and her role in it.

In regards to the topic... I really do hope that Blomkamp gets to do his movie. I always felt like the jump from Aliens to Alien 3 was somewhat off base. It just didn't seem like the right direction to go in.

I can still remember my cousin and I walking out of the theater, along with many others, just scratching our heads, and thinking... what the hell was that? From Aliens... to that?

It seemed like such a let down. And I'm not talking about the events of Alien 3, as much as the fact that it discarded so much of "Aliens".

And I think that's how Blomkamp feels too, and that's probably why he wants to revisit that time period. He wants to satisfy the void that was left right after "Aliens".

Grinning & Dropping Linen

Mar-09-2017 2:33 PM

Noooooo Alien Resurrection was awful, but then again i dont like hokey, corny or cheesy dialog or scenes in something thats suppose to be serious... it was Sharknado level of cheesy, please save the cheese for Asylum Films and keep it out of the Alien Franchise

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