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The Covenant:Full Crew?

The Covenant:Full Crew?

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ninXeno426

Feb-25-2017 10:33 PM

Thanks to "The Last Supper",we now have a pretty good idea on who the crew of The Covenant is.But where exactly did this Weyland-Yutani security team come from?Are they part of The Covenant's crew,and if so are they coupled as well?Or are they from a separate vessel,therefore a different mission altogether?If they are on a different mission,what exactly might there agenda be?

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

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CarynDelacroix

Feb-26-2017 10:55 PM

ninXeno426

IMO they're making MUTHER a much bigger part of the mythos.

I'm not exactly sure what to make of it yet either.  Part of me suspects all the MU/TH/UR ideas are being related to Peter Weyland's own mother:  she was a professor of comparative mythology at Oxford; therefore, she had a few things in common with Dr. Shaw.  The MU/TH/UR system could partially be an homage to Sir Weyland's mom.  

In Prometheus, David brings up the idea that we all want to see our parents dead.  Most assume he's talking about Freud's perspective, where it's thought people want to subconsciously kill and replace their parents. He could be looking at it more from the perspective of comparative mythology and relating it to a big picture about creations surpassing their creators.

We might eventually see a flashback or a holographic form of Sir Weyland explaining how Miss Vickers couldn’t live up to her genetic potential.  I think he was trying to create the perfect daughter, but she was always a disappointment to him. Which is why the future of the company rests on David and Walter's shoulders (for now).  Each of the androids has the ability to carry out Weyland's will.  There's no genetic link between hair color and intelligence, so the blonde Miss Vickers wasn't any less intelligent just 'cause FATHER decided to make her a blonde.  

Vickers 4 would trick herself into believing that what FATHER does is "part of the natural order of things."  He tricks the embryo into dividing to produce 8 separate versions of her, thus she doesn't necessarily view herself as a clone.  

Even if Vickers 4 were a clone, people like Daniels are aware that cloning and genetic engineering sometimes happens with plants and livestock at this point.  Lambert's parents decided to have a girl; however, Lambert was going to be born a male.

Sir Weyland/FATHER's ghostly presence will continue to linger over the series and this new crew in some way. 

ninXeno426

Feb-26-2017 11:02 PM

Exceptional theory.You,much like me,believe that Vickers is Muther.I hadn't considered her being a clone

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CarynDelacroix

Feb-26-2017 11:12 PM

It would be sort of like the Metal Gear Solid video games if you've ever played those.  It's based on real-world genetic science that emerged in the 90s, so they're always produced in batches of 8.  Vickers 4 would prefer not to be referred to as a "clone," though, since it's more like she's been genetically engineered from birth.  It would be debatable whether or not the company is "playing god" with their genetic siblings.

Weyland said "we're the Gods now" in his TEDtalk, so they've developed ways to genetically engineer the offspring from frozen embryo stage.  Weyland-Yutani begins experimenting with genetic science because they think that's what the gods do.  The clones would be revealed to be "more natural than we know," which almost redeems ALIEN: Resurrection, in a way.

The story with the Company would basically come full circle as soon as we learn more about why MU/TH/UR refers to him as FATHER & the process behind the clones.  FATHER switches Vickers' alleles around to make some of them blonde for no other reason than personal preference for the blonde ones.

ninXeno426

Feb-27-2017 12:52 AM

Love those games,I've been replaying them lately(on Sons of Liberty right now)so i get what you're saying.Solid And Liquid were the only survivors of 8(actually there's also Solidus)they sacrifice all The others for Solid and Liquid Snake's perfection.Is that what you mean?

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CarynDelacroix

Feb-27-2017 1:09 AM

Essentially, yeah.  There are lots of concepts and ideas in that game series that would parallel what W-Y is doing and their obsession with perfection.  Oddly, I think there are also many parallels in Fallout 4:  the way the antagonist at the Institute calls himself FATHER and creates the biomechanical synths.

I played through Fallout 4 as a female, so the whole plot with the Institute taking my son hit me a bit harder and influenced my thinking on how some synths could be created from FATHER's DNA (and by extension MUTHER/Vickers' DNA).

I'll try to get back on topic after that detour to the Vickers stuff.

I’m beginning to think the security team is a separate group that arrives independently of the Covenant after receiving the coordinates. The River of Pain novel describes how security officers and a few colonial marines are eventually stationed at each colony regardless of if the colonists need them.  If the crew intercepts the signal (as many are thinking), then there’s a chance the ship carrying the security guys is a bit behind.

Dr. Curt Connors

Feb-27-2017 1:11 AM

Love the Metal Gear games, still have The Phantom Pain to play, planning on starting that soon.

CarynDelacroix

Feb-27-2017 1:30 AM

Phantom Pain is a great game.  All the stuff they added really worked for me.  I just haven't been back to it yet because I got stuck on this one side mission.  Some of the side missions can be a little frustrating if you're like me and need to do them all.

Myrddin365

Feb-27-2017 2:09 AM

It's my understanding that each colony has a Colonial Marine Unit. (Novels) It would make sense that they would be in cryosleep during the last supper, or in a different area.  

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

ninXeno426

Feb-27-2017 5:02 AM

Stationed on board is a possibility.Would they be coupled as well?

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Dr. Curt Connors

Feb-27-2017 6:41 AM

@CarynDelacroix    Cool, yeah but after awhile if the side missions piss me off too much I don't end up finishing some of them, haha. I'm like fuck it

Ingeniero

Feb-28-2017 1:24 PM

The strike team at night may be Branson and others that were awoken to investigate the "distress" signal.  This would explain Crudup promoted before heading down to Paradise or Crudup is answering to "Captain" because he is second in line and Franco/Branson is down on the planet with the night strike team in the photo.

BigDave

Feb-28-2017 2:35 PM

@ninXeno426

I HATE YOU........ ;)

But now your gonna have get some more Rep Points for starting another debate.... i was for weeks going to do this and PM a few people about a similar post i was going to make ;)

You beat me to it... lol  serves my Lazy Backside right.

But yes this is a very good thing to consider... i was going to do a Topic but if you dont mind, i think i just add mine to this as it saves making to many Topics.. as mine was just to hint at

Was there a previous landing or mission?

On a topic yesterday i posted that same image when proposing maybe such... so its nice to have a Topic started we can discus this..

Once again ninXeno426 nice work ;)

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ninXeno426

Feb-28-2017 2:35 PM

Quite possible,I definitely feel there's some sabotage or interference from Crudup.He doesn't seem trustworthy in my opinion.

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ninXeno426

Feb-28-2017 2:38 PM

Lol thanks BigDave!Tell us your theory 

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BigDave

Feb-28-2017 2:47 PM

Ok Guys i will have a look at your comments... first i will put my TWO Cents before i read them, and i am looking forwards to reading all your theories ;)

Right we cant say for sure its Security Team... at first we could, but that was before the Trailer.. The Trailer shows us a group of 10 go down to the surface of Paradise and we dont know every ones role yet....  We know Walter is the company Robot on board... we know Daniels is lead Terra-former expert and her Husbands was the Captain but he does not go down with those others in that Trailer...

I can break down the Crew and Roles from what i have seen so far, but indeed it looks like some of them can provide or are Security and have some Military or well Security training.

I would assume they are at least Nathaniel Dean, Uli Latukefu, Alexander England and Demián Bichir due to the clothing they wear....  Benjamin Rigby wearing a bit different color but then they are all not dressed 100% the same and we dont see Rigby in any shots of the crew leaving the Drop Ship.

The odd thing with the image in the OT is that it looks like its at night and there are flood lights behind them... but this is also definitely the Grass Area that we see in the Trailer after they walk off the Drop Ship.

My next post will be the post i was going to put, and i am sorry if its off Topic or will indeed drag the Topic in a different direction but i think its very relevant to the Crew of the Covenant who are not in Cryo-sleep and part of that Last Supper video and that posted image and the Time Line.

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BigDave

Feb-28-2017 3:09 PM

As posted in the Order released

Image 1

220512052104 Posted 19th December 2016

Image 2

130112062104 Posted 20th December 2016

 

Image 3

185612082104 Posted 21st December 2016



Image 4 

224612072104 Posted 22nd December 2016

The only Logical way these Clues work to me is a Time Stamp as the 2104 is in every one and the movie is set in that year... so the other Logical similarity is December being part of the date

So we have this Order..

Image 1

10:05 PM December 5th 2104

At Night a Landing Party land on what looks like Paradise.

Image 2

1:01 PM December 6th 2104

some nearly 15 hours latter we have this image of the Cryo-Pods with one that is off or suffered a malfunction?

Image 4

10:46 PM December 7th 2104

some 48 hours and 40 Minutes after the potential landing on Paradise in the Dark and some 33 hours and 45 Minutes after the Cryo-Pod Scene, we have the After Math of a infected Crew taken to Qaurantine who gets Back Bursted.

Image 3

6:56 PM  December 8th 2104

Some almost 67 hours after the first landing at night shot, we are shown a Cave or  Tunnel System thats very remisant of the Derelict interior and not Juggernaught. We will maybe be shown this happens about 20 hours after the first Victim of the Spores and Back Burster Neomorph.

So from Landing to this point we are talking a 67 hour period,  is this the TIME LINE?  so the events since they maybe find Paradise would take place over 4 days?

This raises a few interesting Questions...

 

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ninXeno426

Feb-28-2017 3:47 PM

Possibly BigDave.So  you believe that this security force arrives prior to the Covenant.It's reminiscent of The Lost World,two teams,separate objectives.One to colonize,one to perhaps aquire something(?)

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BigDave

Feb-28-2017 3:51 PM

"I wonder what Yutani's visual polygraph program, the Quiet Eye"

Indeed CarynDelacroix your theories are interesting, we dont know for sure if Vickers was a Robot.... i think however it was a Red Herring and she was indeed Human... i think Lindeloff confirmed she was no Robot...  My Prometheus 2 draft had a Vickers and so we would think Vickers was a Robot in Prometheus.. but my draft reveals at the end that she was a Robot... my Draft was a mess though trying tackle  multiple Plots

But your comment about Quiet Eye does link to my draft idea, and indeed back up your theory... well you fan theory would need something to support information about Prometheus 2 mission... and indeed the Yutani Quiet Eye does show that Yutani are a major Communications Company and are Spying on Weyland and so indeed, the Weyland Virals did show us that Weyland company did rely on Yutani Technology as far as gathering Data and Information.

So if Weyland never recovered much from Prometheus you can bet maybe Yutani secretly was able to record and send back information... by having a Hacked Program and Hardware.

Regardless i think as there software ECU was where Weyland got information about LV-426 prior to Prometheus, you can bet they was keeping  a interesting watchful eye on the proceedings and maybe they would be sending a Mission to LV-223

Which is what happened in my Prometheus 2 fan draft

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BigDave

Feb-28-2017 3:57 PM

However i dont think any kind of previous Mission to Paradise is at play...

The image here

Is 48 hours prior to the Covenant scenes where things start to go to Hell.... with the Back Burster...

So the only Logical Explanation is that another Team on the Covenant went down some 24 hours prior.... by whos orders who knows...

This team was either Led by Walter who is in on something... and after Hell Breaks Lose he tails it back in the Drop Ship and pretends nothing happened... and then leads the others to the same Fate.

Or.... as above but Walter finds David and David takes out Walter and replaces him... which is discussed on this Topic Here

Is this David

Which on of my replies was this....

I would bet these Time Stamp Images dont appear in the Trailer.. they are just a clue to the events...  yes we will get the Back Buster and this shot is the aftermath... but there is no bodies in this Shot, and i doubt they cleared out the bodies just before the Ship Blows up.

So its a Production Image... thats all... a clue however to a actual event.

So i feel we WILL NOT see this Landing Shot at Night at all... not at the start of the movie... but when we get a Big Twist we will find out about some underhanded tactics and then find out that indeed a previous group was sent down.

I feel Daniels makes this discovery when she finds the Dog Tags, if they belong to someone who is not part of the group who she was with...

 

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Dr. Curt Connors

Feb-28-2017 4:02 PM

@BigDave   Could that be a team, military, that was sent down to scout out the planet before the crew came down. Like a scouting party.

Dr. Curt Connors

Feb-28-2017 4:04 PM

Or does that picture fit more with the scene of David cloaked at night in the trailer?

BigDave

Feb-28-2017 5:47 PM

Who knows...

The New Trailer seems to shed some light ;)

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ninXeno426

Mar-07-2017 3:12 PM

Check this one out Ingeneiro 

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Ingeniero

Mar-07-2017 4:01 PM

Excellent analysis on the images BigDave. I have built theory around this analysis.

I see far because I stand on the shoulders of a giant (BigDave).

Thank you.

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