David did not create the Xenomorph
Posted Feb-14-2017 3:34 AM
Hey guys just wanted to share a good point that why I think David didn't create or experiment with the black goo creating the original xenomorph that we all love and fear.
In Prometheus, Shaw sees how old the Engineer head is and it turns out its approximately 2,000 years old!!! So this means that the Xenomorph has existed for approx. 2,000 years old.
Another thing I found really cool is how Ridley wanted the plot for Prometheus to be Alien... imagine that?! But the original script is that the USCSS Nostromo finds a pyramid like structure with a picture like thing on the wall warning other life forms (who knows) of the result of the black goo. Thats what the xenomorph wall carving is!!! Its warning sapient life of what the black goo results in. I decoded what I think the the wall sculpture means.
Posted Feb-14-2017 6:34 AM
I believe the mural means that a Deacon will eventually become some sort of proto-queen that will lay eggs.
Notice the baby looking thing at the bottom, that represents "birth of"
The trilobite right above it represents the "trilobite"
Finally the creature in the center represents "Queen"
So the mural translates to: "Birth of Trilobite, Birth of Queen."
And as always a queen makes a hive. (hence the rest of the mural)
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Posted Feb-14-2017 7:25 AM
Thats a good look at the Mural, well spotted with the Original Face Hugger and Warrior Xeno, i never noticed them before but again maybe they are not there..
its a bit like a cloud formation and everyone can make out different things, not saying your wrong... just its so ambiguous.
There are a few KEY things you cant miss that is the TWO Face Hugged Engineers or similar, these are the other TWO HR Giger alternative Face Hugger designs.
But are these just Easter Eggs?
If we look at Spaights draft then the Engineers was working with different kinds of Xenomorph, and he proposed there could be 8 kinds, and Ridley Scott said the Derelict was to have 8 different Cargos...
So yes different types of Face Hugger was pretty much the idea back in the time of working on a Prequel.
We cant say for sure if these are now Easter Eggs..
The Mural shows the Deacon clear as day, i dont think this is a Prophecy of whats to come. I think it was either something they had came across some how, be it directly or by accident and produced something like it, that they then worshiped.
Or if this was the aim of what they wanted to create.
The top of it, does look like a Queens Crown so to speak, but its ambiguous that it can be looked at having a normal head or a Queens.
Ridley Scott also said the Derelict and Eggs etc was thousands of years old and as of Prometheus he even said the event happened within a few hundred years of the LV-223 Outbreak that killed off the Engineers.
So thats 1800-2200 years ago.
Who knows if they have changed their minds now though...
I hope not.....
I had a Source who claimed to know about the Prometheus 2 draft as of October 2014
They claimed we wont get Xeno answers, but will see TWO monsters similar and via them and other clues we should get a clearer picture of how the Xeno came to be.
They claimed in order to RE-CREATE it (think Xeno or Deacon) all you need is the Knowledge and Tools and David has both.
Also that the Deacon had a long way to go as far as evolution before it could become a Xenomorph, this is not a tease that the Deacon becomes a the Xeno though.. they seem to hint the Hammerpede is more connected.
But what they hinted at was the Xenomorph was Ancient, but again it could be RE-CREATED...
Which since we had more information about AC, and the Scene of those Engineers which include Females.... Then Black Goo + Engineers having Sex would indeed create a Trillobite and Deacon that is slightly different to Shaws but similar.
Likewise the Worms have been on LV-223 before Prometheus and we cant rule out they have never been infected with the Goo in the past.
so maybe Prometheus was a re-creation of events that happened thousands of years ago... i.e Worms + Goo and also Female Engineers + Goo in the past to Worms and Shaw in Prometheus.
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Posted Feb-14-2017 9:52 AM
im one of those who hates the idea david is responsible for the derelict on lv426 theory. I want the xeno to be old if not as old as the engineers. I want a long and intriguing story line between these 2 species, how the engineers came about discovering them, what was the relationship between the 2 etc. ok im not against david recreating stuff or even trying to go a step farther through his experiments but the whole basis of the xeno origin, for me, should be between the engineers and xeno. wev just become involved for some reason due to our connection to the engineers. my impression from alien is that the derelict has been there thousands of years and I know some have theorised there r ways that it can be done that david was responsible for its fate and the conditions on lv426 but for me that's not going to cut the mustard and would be fairly disappointing so I am hoping u r right
Posted Feb-14-2017 9:57 AM
The mural in Prometheus confirmed there were huggers / eggs around probably way before the outbreak
However, Human / Engineer DNA + black goo = fleashy Deacon, not Biomechanical Alien
David did a lot on LV-223 in around a week, imagine what he can do in 10 years with his programming, durability, engineer knowledge and desire to tamper, why couldn't he emulate an egg / hugger from murals and engineer history on the planet on AC or somewhere on his travels?
I wish the Jockey wasn't an Engineer but a biomechanical higher race than the Engineers, that the Engineers tried to emulate, but as Ridders confirmed it is an Engineer, so I think they will have to think of another way to link it up in the new films?
Posted Feb-14-2017 9:59 AM
and im sure the black goo and sacrificial substance r 2 different substances though based of the same organic matter. with that in mind the end result of them would logically be 2 different scenarios and outcomes, the sacrificial goo to me is to create something peaceful in a form that the 'ends justify the means' whereas the black goo is a bringer of death weaponised variant. this adds weight to the multiple faction civil war theory some have had which I would love to see
Posted Feb-14-2017 10:05 AM
tropics, I theorised the derelict was one of a nymber of ships sent by a warring faction to destroy the engineers on lv223 but theyr payload got loose and it crashed. it was never retrieved due to the nature of the cargo which answers why the signal in alien is a warning and not a distress signal. some have pointed out that when the hologram plays in Prometheus a shreak can be heard just before we see the engineers running. maybe the other ships successfully delivered theyr payloads onto lv426 and they left, possibility?
Posted Feb-14-2017 10:39 AM
Just a timing of post problem
i like your theory and I do hope some of the dead ends are driven through and this is how it pans out
A War between two races would be perfect
However I feel David has been created as a perfect storm, immune from the goo for unlimited tampering. Let's face it the Engineers were pretty hopeless with dealing with the death strand of the goo!
Posted Feb-14-2017 10:45 AM
would depend on how long they have been dealing with it and other things. iv another theory the engineers on lv223 at the time of Prometheus may not even be the ones who built it. they r very militant. maybe a small rebel faction and the mural doesn't fit with them. the mural is more religious with worshipping tones which is something I doubt a military/ rebel faction would bother putting up at a facility of theyr own. maybe im wrong though. this faction of engineers may not have the same resources available to handle the goo properly? david is definitely a perfect storm and I think he will be central to the whole path AC and the sequels will take.
Posted Feb-14-2017 11:46 AM
Perhaps the Engineer that decaptiated David realized what humans had done. An android that was smarter and immune to the black substance and what that could mean to his species. THats why he was in a hurry to deliver the payload before humans could get more androids operational. If David did bring hell with him and played a vital role in the demise of paradose, imagine what other thousands of black goo immune androids could do.
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Posted Feb-14-2017 11:53 AM
apex, I think the engineer just continues with his mission. remember our fate was decided millennia ago. I missed it but when we see the other cryo pods they all have holes in them suggesting chest bursters. why he is angry is up for debate. I think they were impregnated and put in stasis the same as humans would do for later extraction but they failed to get them in quick enough with the exception of the last engineer. he may be angry because now he has been awakened and, becoming aware of weylands motives for being there, knows he is going to die. his final act is to carry out his mission and destroy life on earth.
Posted Feb-14-2017 11:58 AM
but ur theory ties in with at least some of the engineers realising theyr own error in playing god and have decided to clean the slate in the hopes of redemption. we r them in essence and they r going to wipe us out before we can create something that will lead to destruction, our 'atomic bomb' so to speak, that may even pose a threat to the engineers themselves
Posted Feb-14-2017 2:15 PM
Riddles can take this where he wants
I do hope the Derelict / Jock / Eggs / Huggers get the back story they deserve, if this is an ancient power struggle from the last of their kind then great
I also hope that the David / Company Arc is also given the story it deserves, this could go in a different direction.
Why can't the Derelict eggs / huggers be created by another more Biomechanical race to the Engineers?
On the other hand why can't David emulate eggs / huggers and they end up under in the caves under the Derelict?
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Posted Feb-14-2017 3:41 PM
I think and hope we will see a mere RE-CREATION and not the way the Original was created.
I still think the Derelict was there for thousands of years and Cargo a long time too and Ridley confirmed this a number of times including in 2015 i think it was?
I know he in 2014 or 2015 did mention that the Event happened within a few hundreds years of the Outbreak that killed all those Engineers on LV-223.
I am a bit tired but i have a lot to debate with his Topic, and will explain.. In my interpretation which could be wrong.
*The Goo connection. (how the Two work).
*The Chest Busted Engineers.
*The reason for why they wanted us destroyed and the reactions of the last Engineer.
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Posted Feb-15-2017 4:06 AM
I hope the Derelict is 2000 ish years old, anything else would spoil the mystery
I hope the biomechanical producing eggs/huggers are ancient
I hope the back story is a war / battle for power between the Jocks and the warrior type Engineers
Scale of the Jock
DNA of us / Engineers and goo = fleashy deacon
The Derelict looked like it was made of bones / organic, indeed the Jock itself looked more animal than Biomechanical
Why did the eggs under the Derelict produce something very biomechanical mixed with Kane's DNA?
Like it or not there is a splash of something else in dem Derelict eggs!
this is why I feel the David Arc could be used to produce this strand off hugger
there also could be something else we have not encountered yet to produce the huggers under the Derelict
the final path is the acid made hole adjacent to the jock, that allows scope for a queen burster that lays the eggs beneath the Derelict, which leads to the hugger that hugged the original jock and what produced that!?
Posted Feb-16-2017 5:17 AM
This was an interesting post. I think no of us will turly know what Ridley Scott has in store for us until May 19th. I'm one the the people that does think David helps create the Xenos and uses Walter to add the biomechanical aspects of the creatures. I do think that we still could find out that they were created thousands of years before though. But they maybe just didn't have that biomechanical element to them.
Based on the creatures in Prometheus and the Neomorph I feel like they are the predecessors to the classic Xeno and are related in some way. The black goo ties all these creatures together and I think is the key ingredient David experiments with when he's stranded for ten years on the planet Covenant lands on. I think Ridley wants to expand and explain the Xenomorphs origin with these movies and will tie everything together. He also has to do it in a way that's not too complicated because he knows people like us will rip the movie apart if it has to many plot holes. With Prometheus he intentionally left some unanswered questions but I don't think he's gonna do that again so much because it was one of the biggest complaints amongst fans. I'm sure there will be some mystery in AC but not nearly as much as Prometheus had.
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