Do you think that the Trilobite from Prometheus will be in Alien: Covenant?
Posted Feb-05-2017 1:24 PM
We now have proof thanks to Chris, that a Trilobite is in the script and seen on set in Alien: Covenant [see here]. Thanks to AVP galaxy, we all know that Neomorphs are scripted to burst of infected crew members. Now we all think that from the trailer, the guy getting his back exploded... well that's a neomorph. But what if it isn't. We also know there is your everyday unfriendly xenomorph in Alien: Covenant (also thanks to AVP galaxy) is going to be in the film, so what if the result of a Trilobite infecting a human (or engineer) is a queen? I think the reason why the Deacon looked different and birthed different, cause it was bred through an engineer. The engineer is a complete different species (although we are closely related), so there is definitely going to be another result if a Facehugger or Trilobite peregrinates a Engineer, and maybe the Deacon is a queen. We never got to see the "Natural Birth" of the Trilobite, since Shaw removed it in Vicker's medpod, So do you think that we'll see the Trilobite in Alien: Covenant?!
Posted Feb-06-2017 8:01 PM
Looks more like the spine and backside of his own ribcage being pushed back.
I don't think we'll see another trilobite, it was probably the specific offspring result of Shaw and Holloway considering how the goo affects humans and creatures in such different ways.
Posted Feb-07-2017 5:12 AM
I am not sure if we will see any Trilobites in Alien Covenant, all we do know about is the Neormorph from Spores and Xenomorphs (Proto-Morph?) from Eggs.
The so called sighting of Trilobites attacking W-Y Personnel has to be a rumor that can not be validated at this point, but thats not to say we wont see them.
Fox has given a lot away, even if we discount any supposed screener viewers of the Movie, there is a lot we have been shown and know.
so maybe there is something they are keeping back.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Posted Feb-07-2017 5:16 AM
I would think however anything like this would be in the Prequel Book that ADF are doing.
We certainly have to wander what becomes of Shaw, does she still have any Mutated Sperm (or worm Parasites) inside of her, or if not but it was Worm Parasites and not Mutated Sperm then indeed David could Re-Create the Experiment on Shaw again.
But we cant be certain if this happens, i think its safe to assume that David would want to experiment with the Bio-Weapon and if its teasing those Eggs are the results of his experiments, then we have to ask what process would create a Egg?
And so the option is there for some other Organisms created from Experiments to Predate those Eggs.
Maybe this is where Fassbenders comment in regards to David and Shaw being alone on the Juggernaught comes to play.
As he teased "as far as we all know"
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Posted Feb-07-2017 7:10 AM
The egg cycle could be like this:
What i'm saying is that the eggs could be created two possible ways:
1. from the Deacon or Adult Deacon.
2. from Shaw or mutated Shaw.
Both ways will leave room for the Trilobite.
Obsession is a Power, not a Curse ;)
Posted Feb-07-2017 7:35 AM
I doubt wel see the trilobite. for that we need an infected human getting jiggy with another human and with the neos, protos and xenos running about I don't see the crew having much time for that. shaw being egg morphed is the plausible thing I can see being done but for me I hope she is alive. she is a different type of female character in the alien movies and I think it could do with keeping her alive for the next sequel, hopefully a return to lv223
Posted Feb-07-2017 10:46 PM
Trilobites appear to be intended to impregnate Engineers, not Humans. I think that if there are live Engineer hosts available, then the Black Goo is going to find a way to make more Trilobites. If there are no Engineers left, then what good would generating a Trilobite be since they seem a bit too big for a Human host?
Posted Feb-11-2017 9:47 AM
Who knows, we did have the rumor that someone saw WY Security shooting at one on set.
But we have to remember a lot of scenes seem to have been with Props that are not final and are there to give the actors something to picture in their minds rather than nothing.
So the actual scene would no doubt have added effects latter and maybe CGI.
So maybe the scene they was not shooting at Trilobites, but its only what the so called person who saw it, may have thought it was.
Then again maybe they used a Trilobite type Prop on set, but then the movie will simply redo it to something else.. much like how we had Sean Harris in the Toxic Avenger Zombie Fifield make up, but then we also had that CGI version.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Posted Feb-11-2017 9:56 AM
As far as the Trilobite being created for Engineers, that would imply the strain in the Black Goo had programed Genetic Outcome to create such a thing.
But then why was this strain intended to be used on Earth?
The Trilobite was just a series of events that resulted in either Mutated Sperm or a Parasite being passed onto Shaw that infected her Egg.
And a Egg would have a complete blank canvas of Genetic Material to re-code and so with less evolved Code to re-write such as a full Human or other Organism, a Egg would become a base Embryo and most Organisms on Earth (Birds, Mammals, Fish, Reptiles) all look the same at the first Stage of a Embryo and so the Mutagen would not need to re-write much code.
So the result is something with more higher % of Xeno related strain DNA and essentially a Face Hugger Hybrid that when it grows in Shaws Womb it takes on Human traits.
This is why the Trilobite had hair, its why the resulting Xenomorph had same fingers and toes like a Human and Enamel Teeth and not Metallic and also why it had a Placenta etc.
The Trilobites could be re-created via TWO Methods.
1) Assuming Holloways Infected Sperm was the cause, then David would just need to spike a drink of another Male Colonist and hope they get down to some Action.
2) Assuming that it was a Parasite that was passed on to Shaw via intercourse like a STD then all David would need is the same Goo he took from the top of the ampoule and get it into a Females Womb by which ever method he can.
The other option would be if either of above applies, but the Mutated Sperm or Parasites dont die out and are still in Shaws system, then indeed she could get pregnant by them again.
Looking at Prometheus, the most logical way any Egg Organism would be grown/birthed would be via the Hammerpedes.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Posted Feb-11-2017 10:03 AM
When looking at the Prometheus Punishment and how the Source said that without Sin in context to Paradise Lost and if by that they mean Satans Daughter, who is constantly in labor with Hounds of Hell and daily they tear at her entrails as they are born, and she must suffer this constant painful labor for eternity.
The only way this can apply to Shaw is if indeed she becomes Pregnant again similar method if in prior post Option 2 is what was happening or the theory after.
Then she could get Pregnant and maybe David removes the Organism, fixes her up and then repeats the same process.
Then he experiments on the results over and over until he creates something that we see in Alien Covenant.
imagine if the company got Shaw back if she went into Cryo-sleep as intended and they left LV-223 without waking up the Engineer.
The company could experiment like they did with Ripley clones in AR... They could remove the Organism via C-Section as she did, and then if she got Pregnant again after, then they can keep repeating the Process a few times.
i would assume this is Shaws fate... or she actually becomes infected and changes into a Hybrid and then this hybrid then gives birth to Organisms that David can experiment with.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Posted Feb-11-2017 12:12 PM
I wouldn’t mind if we will see another one in the movie but it is not needed. There are more interesting monsters that they can put into it. My reason for considering it OK is because that was as close to a face-hugger as we got in Prometheus but since it seems that there are monsters in AC that will be closer to the original I say that it won’t be necessary to put it there.
As far as I remember the Trilobite was a result from Holloway making Shaw pregnant. Holloway was given some goo from David that put that thing in his drink. Well the monster is still at LV-223 so the only way that they will have one there if it is not from that planet is if the same process would happen again. The exact same thing will probably not happen, that would be lame.
Hopefully the article where they mentioned that the Trilobite attacked people on Paradise was just false information. The Trilobyte is not a crappy idea but I find it unlikely that the same thing would happen again since it would be repetitive but not disastrous.
Posted Feb-13-2017 2:43 PM
@Thoughts_Dreams yeah good point, although we do know that David is "experimenting" and that he could possibly create a trilobite on purpose since Shaw could have been forced to tell him what happened... anyways I'd really like to see an adult Deacon and if it can lay eggs. These eggs could then lead to normal facehuggers? I mean who knows.
SO many possibilities...
Posted Feb-13-2017 3:44 PM
Perhaps Shaw became a bit of a Trilobite machine. That would be bad enough with a Medpod on hand, but without one?
We don't know that the contents of the Ampule David infected Holloway with was meant for Earth, it could be that all the capsules contained variants of Bio Former. One thing we've seen consistently from Alien to Prometheus is the host DNA influencing the descendant, so maybe the Trilobite inherited it's coloring and hair from Shaw, along with physical traits to enable it to survive in her environment? Maybe it was a base model Hugger meant to impregnate something much bigger than an Engineer?
Maybe Huggers come in many shapes and sizes.
Posted Feb-13-2017 4:48 PM
Indeed the Trillobite and Deacon was really just a plot device to show the Black Goo was ultimately related to the Xenomorph in some way, so we was given a kind-of Face Hugger that produces a kind-of Xenomorph and with other vague clues i think maybe they hoped that would give Fans the idea that the Xeno was a creation and experiment carried out by the Engineers on that place.
So then they could retain the Mystery about it and then move on to other things... but seems Fans in general was disappointed and the Xenomorph wont die, it wont lay down in the minds of fans.
So Fox has to ultimately again show us more clues to how/when and why.
I think indeed we would see Organisms that are now more related to the Xenomorph.
The Question about Trilobite is something as i had said, that could potentially still happen. This would depend if David wishes to try and use the same experiment on the couples of Covenant
Or if the infection was not Holloways Sperm but that Holloway was the vessel needed to pass the Parasite to Shaw, if so then indeed David could re-create the Trillobite with Shaw again.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
Posted Feb-13-2017 7:18 PM
Not quite sure if this has been discussed here but I thought it may be worth mentioning. Either myself or someone on another thread had posited some time ago that David may have been left with no choice but to expose Shaw to black goo in order to save her from life threatening injuries. I'd take this a step further with the following premise:
Let us imagine Shaw does in fact continue to produce trilobites. If others are correct in their speculations on David deeply caring for Shaw, then perhaps it is the case that as she continued to produce trilobites, David had to remove them to save her. On realizing she was not going to stop producing, he set her up with a makeshift configuration to keep her alive while allowing for fast and easy removal of the trilobites as they were produced. In essence, David turns Shaw into a factory but with the pure intention of saving her life and easily containing each new trilobite.
As each one is produced, David naturally begins studying them and eventually experimenting. It is maybe the entire reason David has become this mad scientist in the first place. Except he is not mad, he is only trying to preserve his companion and following the investigative tendencies of his which were established in Prometheus. The trilobite(s) as a threat to Shaw as well as David's loyalty to her (if he is) may end up being the reason for everything that follows the story of Prometheus.
Posted Feb-14-2017 12:48 PM
intriguing theory. the black goo morphs her into a queen and her womb is her version of the queens ovipositor and she continues to produce trilobites. I could go with that theory on davids motivations being mis-interpreted by others as just a mad evil scientist but in fact he is experimenting to see if he can reverse the effects. he has ran out of available species to experiment with and realises his and shaws only real hope is for a human to be infected. due to his affection for shaw he wont experiment on her but someone he is unfamiliar with will do till he finds a cure.
Posted Feb-15-2017 7:55 AM
Big Dave: Yep, that is my understanding as far as the Trilobite and the Deacon go. I wasn’t annoyed about how the Trilobite (the big fat Blob) looked it is just that it could have been so much better done on screen. Look at the size, how is this one supposed to move fast? Alright it is science fiction but come on, really? The Trilobite worked because it was the closest to the Xenomorph that there was (except for the Deacon) but the design wasn’t very much to be impressed of.
I agree that it is good if they can remain the mystery but they got to have better monsters this time. The monsters were alright in Prometheus so I won’t totally bash them but they could have been better, that is my point.
Hopefully they will make AC tied more into the Xeno this time. I hope that they get the human characters right. The Xeno seems to me to be a symbol for disease, death, and things like that. Maybe it can be said that it is there to tell us a story about various themes.
Hey need to be careful so they won’t tell use everything about the Xenomorph. It must have some mystery after the background story is done. The alien prequels shouldn’t be an A-Z about the Xeno, that would be lame. More Xeno related monsters would be cool but I don’t think that we only need to see the original monster.
Posted Feb-15-2017 7:57 AM
Queen Elisabeth Shaw:
That is interesting but check this out:
What if David uses Shaw for producing Trilobytes but then he figures out that there could be modified things of it. David wants her to give birth to more advanced life forms because he wants to know how advanced life forms that he can make. Shaw becomes like a machine or something similar for David’s search for perfection of whatever he is up to. He already said something about superior species so he could keep that in mind when he is about to create new things and to create one must first destroy (I like that quote and it can be applied to many different situations, about art, medicines, and so on). Maybe he wants to take revenge on mankind to have them as a tool for his creation and Shaw becomes like an example of that. I can be totally wrong about this of course, it is just something that occurred to me but it is interesting to speculate about things.
Posted Feb-15-2017 9:33 AM
I am also entertaining this idea (and others like it.) I think we could see either one. I actually pasted my above post in the "David's Army" thread to which Big Dave offered up some thoughts. I clarified my position a bit and in reading your response, I feel I can offer the same response. I'll paste BigDave's quote below with my response
"If David is more compassionate, and Shaw treats him ok, but then indeed she is infected and David tries to help but he know she will continue to create off spring then David would realize she is beyond help, but why kill her... put her out of her misery?
There would in this case be nothing for her... but then it would allow David to may-as well use her for his own Ends and Curiosity."
This is exactly what I'm getting at. It would fit very well with how David handled his discovery of Shaw's pregnancy in Prometheus. I should have specified that this is only how I imagine we might see the scenario unfolding at first, but I also believe that if this is the case, David's compassion for her could easily fade over the years as he becomes more focused on his research. It might even be the case that she perhaps could die early on in this state, leaving him with nothing but the specimens he was able to retrieve from her and his research.
I believe that we will either see this scenario, or one where he is fully aware from the start and betrays her. We'll have to wait and see to discover what the true outcome will be but I'm thinking these two are the most probable.
I'll toss in a related but somewhat off-topic side note here. If the "compassion leading to opportunity" scenario is the case, I could see a likelihood that Walter might eventually be revealed to share in Ash's role as purely an instrument of Weyland-Yutani's to satisfy it's ends. A kind of built in curve ball where we are set up in the first half of the film to mistrust David and perceive him as evil, only to have this assumption turned on it's head when Walter switches over to the company agenda and David stands in defense of the Covenant crew. If this were the case and it was done well, we may enjoy the privilege of seeing a stand-off between Walter and David, complete with an epic dialogue (loaded with philosophic undertones) just prior to the two coming to blows.
IMO this would be far more interesting than a scenario where David is playing a twisted god and Walter is programmed to prioritize the crew above all else."
Posted Feb-15-2017 11:39 AM
Well what if David wins the trust of the Covenant crew and couples and then does the same thing to them as he did for Holloway? Then we would have multiple Trilobites/Deacons (of course, for it to be a proper Deacon, there would need to be engineers
Posted Feb-15-2017 11:04 PM
So if the Deacon is a result of Goo>Holloway>Shaw>Trilobite>Engineer, where did the Deacon's black Alien-styled body come from? Is it from the Goo? The Goo's black (and possibly created from/by the Alien on the wall mural?) but if it's from the Goo and not later mixing then why isn't the Trilobite black? Is the Trilobite just mutated sperm? The offspring of the white Trilobite via the Engineer was black again. Did the Deacon regain the black color from the Engineer? Are all of the impregnators white, as demonstrated by the classic Facehugger? Now in Covenant we're seeing a white Neomorph adult form but we don't know for sure its genetic make-up. How did it end up being white when all of the previous adult forms were black?
Sign in to add a reply to this topic!