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Temple Ruin in AC?

Temple Ruin in AC?

chli

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Posted Jan-23-2017 12:49 AM

Is this picture proof of that we will see a temple ruin in AC? It was indeed the home planet of the engineers? The outbreak on LV-223 somehow spread to “Paradise” and the engineers are now long gone?

In the background we seem to have a similar entrance, with stairs on the sides, as we have in the picture below (prop from the filming).

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Shasta cyclone

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Posted Jan-23-2017 5:57 AM

I wonder if those are charred marks on the temple ramp and if so is the other scene a flash back scene?

I will find it hard to believe the engineer race is extinct and  I hope they find out what there real race name is.

If they are extinct I hope its adds to the story rather than something lame just to move the story along.

Dark Nebula

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Posted Jan-23-2017 7:09 AM

Looks more like the temple from this photo

 

According to the 4chan rumors that I find hard to believe,David was the one responsible for the disaster on Paradise.Ridley said last year something about Shaw and David reaching the engineer homeworld and finding out what happened there (a disaster).Unless things changed when John Logan was brought in for rewrites.Still we will have to wait until the movie is out in theatres to confirm it.

chli

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Posted Jan-23-2017 7:32 AM

Dark Nebula: Is that from the filming of AC?

Shasta cyclone: My guess is that we get a flashback scene (told by David) of what happened about 2000 years ago, but it could also be another entrance to the temple (4 sides probably). Even if the engineers are wiped out from Paradise, they could still inhabit other planets somewhere in the universe?

Shasta cyclone

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Posted Jan-23-2017 9:17 AM

thats what I'm hoping, they're still out there.

Dark Nebula

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Posted Jan-23-2017 10:27 AM

@chli Yes it is.

 

Stan Winston (deceased)

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Posted Jan-23-2017 5:15 PM

I pray to Yaldabaoth that that isn't a temple. Why can't it be a prison, a hatchery, a fortress, a homestead, etc. etc. etc.? A religious angle on the Alien origin is lame.

Chris

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Posted Jan-28-2017 10:27 AM

It won't be a temple in the same sense as those Pyramids on LV-223. Apparently the Covenant crew will investigate a vacant Engineer city,  with ruins all over. David apparently sets up shop in the citadel,  to which it's catacombs house his experiments. Again,  assuming the leaks prove accurate. So yes,  we will see a number of Engineer structures in Covenant. 

BigDave

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Posted Jan-29-2017 2:16 AM

We have not seen much yet, but what we have been shown does seem like we would be seeing a Aesthetic thats more Ancient and seems like pretty much similar kinds of Architecture and Technology that Mankind had at the time of a majority of the Engineers visitations...

I would say it even appears from shots we have seen to be even prior to Byzantine and Greek level, never mind Roman Period, it all looks very Babylonian/Sumerian to me. And so looks like what we would have seen in more Civilized World at times of 1000-2000 BC

The Temple we have seen so far does not look a Temple of sorts but more a Ziggurat, It seems the Temple shown unless we see more than One... could be that we will see TWO sides to it, maybe it possess 4 sides that have steps up to it.

It has no Top... but then it could be Matt Painted or CGI added afterwards... have to look at how this shot looks in reality

Compared to visually this in the movie

And so the sets of the Temple/Ziggurat may look much different in the final shot.... maybe revealing it being large behind the closed entrances/gates at the top of the steps....  so maybe much like a Ancient Sumerian Ziggurat?

Or it could be a smaller Ziggurat and like Mayan Temple...

Which maybe mean the function is some kind of Landing Pad, for landing of Engineer or their creators ships.

We dont know yet how much of a civilization we would see, well left overs of one... is it a few Temples... One? or a ancient City?

Could most of it be buried in jungle like this.

With some in the open like this

 

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

BigDave

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Posted Jan-29-2017 2:34 AM

I think this assumption by me, which i made a while back a Paradise thread to discus what Paradise would look like, not only as a World but Civilization or the remains of one.

I the the previous post fits well with what Paradise has shown as far as being a very Jungle/Forrest Setting set behind vast mountains and lakes.

If the Engineers Civilization perished thousands of years ago, maybe even further back than 2000 years, it would see very little remaining  much like Ancient Egyptian sites and Babylonian ones... and to a degree Mayan.... but if these Civilizations like (Egypt and Babylon) were located in a more Tropical Area... like Mayans was... like New Zealand... then over time a lot of the evidence would be swallowed by the Jungle/Forest.

This would fit well with the Covenant coming to a World that was once inhabited by another Race, and yet maybe not seeing more signs of Civilization..  Having a lot of it lost and taken over by the Plant Life would fit very well.

The Juggernaught has been there for up to 10 years and it appears it in part is starting to be lost to the Vegetation.

It would fit very well as a narrative to Shaw from David (even though we may not see such scenes) If Shaw and David arrive to a Civilization that has long gone and scenes that most of it is lost to the Jungle.... it would point home to Shaw that there is simply no way she can get her answers....

It would be the same situation that Weyland and Shaw would have found had they found that No Engineers Survived on LV-223... no Last Engineer also... it would limit information David would have got because he would had no one to get dialog from.

David would then have to interpret any ruins, any Logs or Recordings on the Juggernaught with any information he has gathered prior.... to then explain to Shaw what answers David has managed to obtain.

This makes more sense as far as a approach... if they want to tone back the potentially tricky situation of actually finding Engineers to talk to... considering they are not Benevolent.

IT IS FOR THIS REASON...

I think the Disaster Scene is a Flash Back, contrary to the 4Chan leaks.. which suggest nope its a Live Event of David taking Action on the Engineers who then all of a sudden was in their hundreds well certainly at least around that amount 10 years ago... and then BOOOM! all Gone... and 10 years latter there is just ruins and nothing much else....   would a advanced Race really live in such a dilapidated state for thousands of years?

Then we see them mummified.....  which the OP Photo seems to show that sorry there are no remains left when Covenant crew arrive... and if it was a live action Bombing... why use Props?  Maybe there has to be a action scene with Actors too?

I think a lot is being kept back in this regards...

Haag's interview seems to tease that there is more about the Engineer Culture than just a throw away Minute Execution Scene.  Seems he also mentions a lot of Prometheus Aesthetic is carried over... but not much of any HR Giger related apart from the obvious parts (Juggernaught).

Also in knowing.. that group of people who worked on sets and design primarily had designed sets in the past that are very Ancient... and they have some Epic Sets in store for us...

Seems to think we have not seen everything as far as the Engineers Culture or the ruined remains of it.

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

BigDave

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Posted Jan-29-2017 3:01 AM

I will also further add that if i take my Two posts above, and look at where i mentioned the Landing Port Ziggurat/Temple theory...

We then have to also ask... how does these Engineers, appear to be more Ancient as far as dress and architecture...

Dressed like above, also have females...  Then WHY? and how the Hell did these beings have those Pebble Ships? yet there culture was primitive?

Thing to remember guys is... The Elders had been cut from this scene.... one reason is Ridley did not want to meet God in the first movie... which means the Engineers are not God... or that their Hierarchy is based more like Kings and indeed Egyptian Pharaohs where some members have been given greater authority and role and are Gods-incarnate like the Pharaohs or are they more like Elders of Ancient Tribes like Mayan's or Native Indians?

Or has the Elder Scene been cut, because they are now being taken out, well as far as Hierarchy Order over the Engineers and replaced with something else..  We had Ridley bring up Paradise Lost and Biblical Fallen Angels.... in regards to the Lv-223 ones.. means the Sacrificial Engineer was a Angel... which means there is a God above them... which could be Gods more than God.

So if we go back to the Ziggurat Landing Pad idea.... and why these Engineers seem to be more primitive....

We then need to look at Earth and Mankind at the time of thousands of years ago... Mankind was Primitive... yes Egyptians was advanced for its time... and yes after the Greeks we seemed to advance a bit more....  but still even as far as 2000 years ago.... Mankind was Primitive.

But in context to Prometheus movie and Ancient Astronaut theories.... that are connected.... while Mankind was primitive as far as Technology, the Gods (Aliens) aka Engineers who came to visit us WAS NOT PRIMITIVE..

Why was the Engineers on Paradise Primitive though.... the Answer is the Sacrificial Scene... taken in context if we never saw the Elders (THEY DONT EXIST) We then go to Ridleys comments for the Sacrificial Scene..  Where he mentioned that One Person would be chosen as a Sacrifice and they would Live as a Prince for a year and then be Sacrificed for the greater Good of his people... for some greater good Agenda...

NOW CONSIDER...

The Sacrificial Engineer came from Paradise, he was robed and clothed in a more Ancient Fashion.... (again Ignore Elders)  so what if some other beings/race above the Engineers are the Advanced Ones  they created the Engineers, they nurtured them and taught them civilization and rules.... but kept them at a level like Mankind was over 2000 years ago or more

Then this other race.... would come down land their ships and take Sacrifices and then leave...

I think this would explain the Engineers limited technology on Paradise....

Remember if we look at Paradise in context of Paradise Lost, its not where God/Gods come from... its a place they used to seed a chosen Race (Man) to live there under certain rules of their creators (Hierarchy).... Much like Adam and Eve...

The Last Engineer said they came from Paradise... thats their origin... it does not mean their CREATORS come from Paradise.

Adam and Eve Sinned and was thrown out of the Garden of Eden and Paradise...

Paradise in context to the Engineers is a separate World, its not a place on Earth...  so if we look at it that way... who ever are thrown from Paradise are not simply moved from a Place... but actually thrown out and exiled from the whole Planet.

The Engineers are Fallen... so Ridley claims... as far as LV-223, maybe they was KICKED out of Paradise?

For sure they rebelled against their creators.. maybe there purpose... was their purpose... to seed life via Sacrificial Goo?

Or was it something more horrific and so if we replace the Engineers with the Igigi and those above with Annunaki where the Igigi caste are created to Toil and Mine for Gold... a purpose that suits the greater need of their creator Gods the Annunaki... but these Igigi rebelled... so they was replaced by Mankind who now take the burden and toil that was intended for the Igigi (Engineers).  Was Mankind created as a replacement by the Hierarchy (Gods) to replace the Engineers for the purpose the Engineers was created for?

Or was they created by the Engineers to replace them for the toil/purpose the Engineers are intended for?

Wayne Haag teased maybe those Engineers Stole Technology... if the Engineers are Angels/Igigi and rebelled and some then got KICKED FROM PARADISE...

Maybe these Fallen Caste... eventually managed to Re-engineer their creators Technology and use it against their creators?

I THINK the themes touched in this Topic could be VERY VERY close to what is going on.....  a lot of my theories pointed to it as a possibility.. one of many..

But its looking at what the Source Claimed... that has given me the interpretations above.

I hope that the only AWAKENING we are in for is FOX/RS wake up and learn from their mistakes.

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Ridley Scott returns to the universe he created in ALIEN with ALIEN: COVENANT, the second chapter in a prequel trilogy that began with PROMETHEUS -- and connects directly to Scott’s 1979 seminal work of science fiction. Bound for a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy, the crew of the colony ship Covenant discovers what they think is an uncharted paradise, but is actually a dark, dangerous world -- whose sole inhabitant is the "synthetic" David (Michael Fassbender), survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition.

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