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Shaw's "Squid Baby" may not be her "offspring"

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c_monster

Jan-15-2017 9:36 AM

Remember, David opened the ampule. Shaw "aborted" & "sterilized" her "premature aborted squidlington." The squid could have come from the ampule that David opened in the same Lab! ie., designed by the Engineers to make exactly the
"Alien" depicted in the Mural, (for humans), but now Deacon hatched out of the Engineer.  Just food for thought....;-)

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dk

Jan-15-2017 9:46 AM

Holloway was infected first and had intercourse with Shaw. I saw the trilogyte more as a c cection and not abortion. My two cents.

c_monster

Jan-15-2017 10:00 AM

When Shaw got out of the medpod, she closed it and decontaminated it. After hitting the button it was sealed up with special fogging chemicals to kill it.

Myrddin365

Jan-15-2017 10:08 AM

Well she was hoping that would kill it. Clearly it had other plans

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

c_monster

Jan-15-2017 10:34 AM

Did it really survive or die? The movie didn't show.....

dk

Jan-15-2017 10:38 AM

It was implied it survived since the next time we saw the room again the trilobyte busted out.

c_monster

Jan-15-2017 10:53 AM

Or it could have come from the open ampule from David...in the same room......

Xenowarrior1

Jan-15-2017 11:28 AM

The trilobyte was biggest letdown of Prometheus...I don't know who thought it would be a good idea to include into film..  It was one of those moments when watching a film where u go "oh fxxk they've taken it to far that's just silly" . I know they were looking to create something different from the original facehugger but that thing is the worse design I've ever seen...I love Prometheus and all the questions it leaves us with but the trilobite was a big no no.....still let's hope covenant makes up for it

MuzzleNZ

Jan-15-2017 1:18 PM

@c_monster - I think that would be a massive coincidence. All the evidence we have suggests the black goo needs a 'host' of some sort - a parasitic catalyst so to speak. It doesn't (appear to) just spontaneously grow in to trilobites or other creatures. 

The simple solution is that foetus didn't in fact die, and it grew in to the trilobite.

S.M

Jan-15-2017 2:04 PM

" It doesn't (appear to) just spontaneously grow in to trilobites or other creatures."

Indeed. Or the ampule room would be swarming with life when they went back to find Millburn and Fifield.

c_monster

Jan-15-2017 3:34 PM

David opened up the ampule.......key operative difference here.

MuzzleNZ

Jan-15-2017 3:51 PM

David essentially extracted a small amount of goo, with the primary purpose (it seems) to expose Holloway to it.

As S.M rightly points out, the ampule room was a gooey mess. Goo was seeping out of the ampules. As far as we know, the only results were that the worms were mutated, and subsequently so was Fifield when he came in to contact with it.

I understand where you're coming from @c_monster, but I actually think the creation of the trilobite via Shaw is significant and integral to the alien life cycle, and likely to have relevance to the continued story in AC.

Starlogger

Jan-15-2017 4:11 PM

@xenowarrior....THANK YOU. I too felt that ugly, ridiculous, silly looking lazily designed, so stupid my 2 year old could've come up with it, "creature" was the worst part of Prometheus. It absolutely made NO sense as to why it would take that form...NONE.

BigDave

Jan-15-2017 5:52 PM

As a number of you had mentioned....  The Black Goo is unlikely to produce Organisms, certainly not as fast as we saw in Prometheus and if it could and there was a potential Outbreak of Black Goo and leaked Urns prior, then why dont we have more life forms than the Worms?

When we consider how the Black Goo is shown to work... it requires Genetic Material to infect and evolve.

HOWEVER......

We can not rule out that the Ampoules contain a Organism that can evolve or grow on its own.... (The Top Part that David had on his finger)  in this kind of theory..... its possible these Nano-Worm like or even Echinoderm related Organism that are contained in the Ampoules are what infected Shaws Eggs to produce the Trillobite and not Holloways Sperm...  Holloway was just a means to transmit the Parasitic Organism like you would a STD/Virus.

In such a theory, it would be the Black Slime around those Ampoules is a secondary component that is similar to the Sacrificial Goo that when it is combined with the Wormy/Echinoderm  Organisms... causes them to break down like the Sacrificial Engineer did.

Such a theory would go against the one i had as far as the Mural being some Organism they Sacrificed to get the Goo in the Urns... Sacrificed via the same method as the Engineer.

But this could still work, if the Black Goo Urns had a Parasitic Organism and Sacrificial type Goo components that then produced something like the Mural...

Its still something thats pretty open to debate at the moment.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Jan-15-2017 5:58 PM

I can see where the OT Theory is coming from though because the Trilobite looks different to the Squid-Baby...

The C-Section Baby looks like a Mollusca (Octopus/Squid) with 4 Tentacles..... but the Trillobite which looks like a Mollusca/Echinoderm hybrid....  has 7 Legs/Tentacles.

So the argument could be they are different....

But i think the idea was to show the Baby-Squid would grow and evolve into the Adult Trilobite stage and so differ in Form like the Chest Buster to Adult Xeno do..

I for one actually liked the concept...

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

MuzzleNZ

Jan-15-2017 6:39 PM

Everything is possible, but some things are improbable. If the ampules contained nano worms that, when released from containment in the ampules, would spontaneously grow from nano to mega size in the space of several hours, without a host to 'feed' from, then that's some pretty powerful goo! How did David dispose of/secure the remaining portion once he opened it? LV-223 could be a sea of trilobites by the time AC rolls around!

Personally, I think the nano-organism idea is right. That's more than likely what's contained in the goo. But I think that the organisms are pathogenic, and still require another organism to 'infect'.

Maybe we'll never really get closure on this, but isn't the speculation fun!

 

BigDave

Jan-15-2017 6:53 PM

The theory i was proposing is the reason we dont see any Trilobites... its because the Nano-Worm thingys... are safely stored in the Ampoules and when the Urns was affected... the Nano-worms inside and mixed with another element in the Urns similar to the Sacrificial Goo to break down the DNA of the Worms.

Again its a theory.... one that without the Eye Worm shot, would maybe not hold much weight.... but one that if we go this route maybe contradicts things a bit... but the above explanation maybe could cover it...

I think ultimately its a case of did they think about every aspect of the Goo in the movie and how it relates to that Eyeworm Scene.

So the other potential which many support is the Eyeworm was just a rogue Mutated Holloway Sperm.

But its a good point as far as the Urn that David opened...

I think we have to assume he put it back  in the Freezer.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Centauri

Jan-15-2017 7:02 PM

I find Noomi Rapace very hot, the squid baby kinda kills any hope of her and I getting together lol  but, can't have everything lol

 

 

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MuzzleNZ

Jan-15-2017 7:45 PM

@Hawley Griffin - if you thought squid baby was bad for your chances with Noomi, best not go see AC.....

S.M

Jan-15-2017 10:48 PM

The goo needs something to react with.

Hicks/Hudson

Jan-16-2017 7:22 AM

The trilobite is Shaw's.

The scene where she makes it back to Vicker's pod after the Juggernaught crashes she looks into the medbay room through the little glass window. You can see the med-pod, it's still open and spinning and the squid baby is no where in that shot.

ali81

Jan-17-2017 10:27 AM

to me the intent is to clearly show that it is the same creature, it isn't in the pod and the the growth may be done in the same way as the xeno grows. the xeno is the size of a fist when it bursts through the chest and then when we next see it its 7ft tall. and the decontamination is for known bacteria/etc, this is an alien entity so it is plausible it may only knock it out temporarily

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