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If we see the Engineers again. . .

NonsenseBody

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Posted Jan-08-2017 6:59 AM

If we see the Engineers again... (Assuming they're all gone from set photos seen in the previous year.) But for the sake of discussion let's say we see them again whether flash backs or present day. What would you want fleshed out about them?

I'd love to see more of their language and a different side to them, e.g. not another murderer like in Prometheus. 

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Chris

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Posted Jan-08-2017 9:24 AM

I would like to see more of their technology and how they use it. The beginning of Prometheus showed us a very primitive looking Engineer, yet they use massive, technologically advanced ships. Seemed odd to me, so exploring that side of their culture would be fascinating.

Facehuggers

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Posted Jan-08-2017 9:25 AM

Good post!

I would like to see how Engineers build (or grow) their ships. 

Myrddin365

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Posted Jan-08-2017 9:37 AM

I'd like to find out about their apparent civil war. Which side won and why they were fighting.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

Dark Nebula

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Posted Jan-08-2017 9:42 AM

I would like to find out more about their culture,technology,history and relation with the xenos.

NonsenseBody

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Posted Jan-08-2017 9:44 AM

:)) All of these would be interesting to dwell into. Awesome responses. 

ninXeno426

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Posted Jan-08-2017 12:59 PM

I also would like to hear more of there language.I love the deleted scene the engineer actually talked to David and didn't understand why they cut it.

Nothing the God of biomechanics wouldn't let you in heaven for 

BigDave

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Posted Jan-08-2017 4:29 PM

Well its hard to say really....  we dont know where they could go with this... as far as now...

Originally....

The Engineers were a Advanced Race who Genetically seeded worlds via the Sacrificial Scene, and then came back over and over to upgrade life both Technologically and Genetically.... we dont know what purpose this was for....

*Because they just could?

*So that we Worship them as Gods?

*For some other purpose or requirement?

a) be that as Slaves for some Purpose...

b we are needed Genetically for some Purpose...

They then tried to tease us (Ridley) that we may have Rebelled and started to not behave in ways intended, and we had started to Evolve to far and become a threat maybe...

*This was evolved to then discount the Sacrificial Scene...  and Ridley Scott had said in response... that they felt the overall look of the Elders was not quite as Godlike as they had maybe hoped for.... And the Scene was removed because they did not want to meet GOD in the first movie.

This thus leads us to...

a) The LV-223 Engineers and maybe Sacrificial one are not the Gods, they are not the Top of the Hierarchy and serve some other higher power or Agenda..

b) But we can not say this Hierarchy is one of a different set of beings above the Engineers but are visually similar and so for example like the Greek Titans vs Olympians, Angels and God etc...   or if the Gods are the same Race just some have a higher importance and are Gods in-carnage like Egyptian Pharaohs

c) If the beings at the top of the Hierarchy are even remotely like Humanoid, or even Biological.

However at the very least the LV-223 Engineers roles would be like Fallen Angels.

They then evolved this further when working on Prometheus 2, and however it started to change to Alien Covenant... that indeed Paradise would be a place were we would find out Shaws Answers to a degree... and find out the connection and Agenda or at least start to uncover it as far as to the points u made previously.   Where they would find..

*These beings (has to be those above the Engineers) are not Benevolent....  That while Shaw could be wanting to meet God, she may meet more like the Devil.

*Mentioned Paradise Lost connections, and how in that Tale, the Fallen Angels were the ones who had the most fun and best story being told.

*You have one attractive guy who goes to all the parties and gets all the girls.... while another not so attractive guy stays at home being boring.

*That if the Engineers were the forerunners of Mankind, then how did Worlds become suitable for that to happen (Sacrificial Scene) and so who was responsible for Worlds being suitable to support life.... WHERE IS THE BIG GUY...

All of the above are interesting and i would like to see how all this fits, but i worry a bit that its now easier (due the scale of the Plot and how they backed themselves into a corner) that its now easier to cover the Xeno Bio-Weapon Aspect..

But to me this is just like some Alien Race comes to Earth in the future to try and find out about our History and all we want to show them or all they find is just how Mankind created Gunpowder and Nuclear power and how they both proved Game Changers in War.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

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Posted Jan-08-2017 4:40 PM

If they have backed themselves into a corner....

I have a theory they could use to somehow get out of the corner, and cover things without making much of a Cop Out... a theory that would explain ever thing...

A Theory... i wander if they are going for... now..

When i get time i will go into detail...

But Nutshell is well...  Paradise Engineers maybe just Sheep...  some other Faction/Race... maybe LV-223 Engineers? maybe not... decided to play animal activists and take some of these Engineers to a new World... so they can be Free... in reward for that, they would have to serve those who Freed them.. and Paradise Engineers now free are being evolved until we get to Mankind.

This Plot can twist in other ways... that maybe.

*Instead of some being taken away, they was stolen away? or those above them got kicked out and Stole.. some of the Paradise Engineers, took them to Earth.

*Or as above... some was kicked out.. and then proceeded to recreate themselves for some purpose.. that lead to Mankind.

*Another twist on this... those on Paradise was punished and something taken from them... for which a faction escaped and tried to recreate us for some reason (FEMALES) maybe.. as this was taken from them?

.....Then it could go different...

And have it that those Paradise Engineers had a Purpose... they Rebelled and was either Destroyed... (some escaped) and they then re-created Mankind..

*Maybe they created Mankind to take over them for this Purpose they rebelled for.. which could be quite Horrific? So we was created by those enslaved Engineers to now take up their Toil.

*Or Twist on this... those who created those Paradise Engineers, Created Mankind for similar Purpose to replace the Engineers.

I think  this is what was going on... i would say its very close to the Plans... but it got complex... but i can offer a simple way out.. which i will say next..

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

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Posted Jan-08-2017 4:53 PM

Paradise Engineers are just as Mankind is... they was created for a Purpose...  by some other Race (maybe similar or more different)...

These Paradise Engineers are visited by these Hierarchy Power/Race  the Hierarchy own the Teardrop Ships...

Those on Paradise are thought things and made to Serve the Hierarchy which may be a sinister Role....   Those beings are Human in height....  they are given limited Technology to live Ancient Lives..

Now and again their Hierarchy descend on them and take some of them as Sacrifices... for what reason... who knows.. maybe Horrific?  Maybe Mundane (Sacrificial Scene) who knows.

A Rebellion happened... some of these Paradise Engineers, or a rogue faction of the Hierarchy played a role in some Rebellion and ultimately lead to some of these Paradise Engineers moving from Paradise.

Where they was then set up to seed Life on Earth...  maybe for Mundane purpose.. maybe Malevolent?  I would say the prior...

it could even be that Earth is just as Paradise... but those from Paradise or some... Stole their Hierarchy Technology to then create us.. or evolve us in ways against what the Hierarchy had intended.

A Rebellious Faction, then decided to subjugate us to serve them.. as they had to serve their Hierarchy..

The Paradise Engineers are just our Ancient Ancestors... The Agenda for them is the same as for us...

A faction of them... or faction of the Hierarchy had then gone on to re-create this same kind of world.... by stealing and using advanced Technology, where as the Paradise Engineers are left in a less Advanced Technological State..

The Faction who stole the Technology then interfered a bit to much in Mankind... we rebelled...  maybe somewhere those above them and this Faction had a War... where The Bio-Mechanical Weapons (Juggernaughts/Derelicts) came to be...

After this War... the Hierarchy is Gone...  The Rebellious in that Hierarchy.. or Hierarchies creations.. became the LV-223 Engineers who then attempted to subjugate Mankind

When we rebelled or showed signs of, they attempted to wipe us out with their New Weapons they used on their Creators... only to then destroy themselves...

This then led Mankind to Evolve over the next 2000 years...

While for some reason those on Paradise did not Evolve... Technologically..

This is a simplified version route they could go now... to basically loosen up the Engineers role... and leave us wandering about who the Original Gods was... which they could chose to never answer.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Stan Winston (deceased)

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Posted Jan-08-2017 4:58 PM

I want to know more about Engineer cuisine and if it's spicy.

No but seriously, I would appreciate some clarification on why -- for such a supposedly advanced civilization -- they act like complete a-holes.

Who in their right mind creates life, tells it to come visit, then proceeds to annihilate it when it arrives to say "Hey, Dad"?

NonsenseBody

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Posted Jan-08-2017 9:07 PM

BigDave, that's a beautiful and brilliant look into them. 

As for why they're a-holes Stan, Ridley did compare them to Fallen Angels, beautiful and ideal yet with evil intent. 

Tiago_miami_la

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Posted Jan-10-2017 1:50 AM

Tear drop ship race has to be different and the true superior ones. Engineers are just pawns..who engineer the world and work the universe for thr gods.

We are to the engineers what engineerrs are for gods..and david is to us what we are to engineers..i believe so some of the deep plot is arou d what Big Dave says

Apex_Predator

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Posted Jan-10-2017 10:36 AM

In this photo we can see an Engineer having a subdued individual under his armpit. If we look at the bottom we see a human or perhaps a smaller engineer raising its arms as in worshipping them.

It raises very interesting questions about engineers.

Want some candy?

Thoughts_Dreams

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Posted Jan-11-2017 7:50 AM

The Engineers were not made in a good way in Prometheus, they were too close to humans. The DNA shouldn’t have been a match, that was lame. I think that they should have been something else. Sure they could have looked part human but they should have looked more different compared to humans.

 

They should keep the horror angle of it if they do a movie like that at all and keep them closer to the Xeno. Without the Xeno or any horror angle what so ever they get boring. Unfortunately, they were not very scary in Prometheus.

 

Their bio-weapons would be interesting (keep them related to the Xeno) and also make their ships frightening. Maybe they could go on colonizing worlds and keep in mind “to create one must first destroy”. They could keep that and make a horror twist to it.

 

As Myriddin wrote their war seems interesting, why they fight it and against who.

A L I E N 4 2 6

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Posted Jan-11-2017 11:55 AM

BigDave is good at taking the long way to answer the questions I see lol 

BigDave

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Posted Jan-11-2017 4:01 PM

Yep Guilty as Charged.....

Plain and Simple.. not me...  shame as i babble on, and i know its chore to read a lot of my input....

I just have a hard time to keep things simple... certainly no ambiguity when it comes to me lol

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

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Posted Jan-11-2017 4:08 PM

Yeah the whole DNA Match was a bit of a shocker...

They should have said, the DNA is almost a exact match, we match them far more than we do primates on Earth.

The thing to remember is a lot of Fans upset at the 100% Match still look at Prometheus as these beings came down seeded there DNA a Billion years ago... then flew off and came back thousands of years ago when we evolved to be a exact match.

This is not the case at all...

Ridley said they came back over and over, further upgrading and evolving us..  This is why the Match was 100% which again it should have been something like 99.7%

My Prometheus 2 draft i was to touch upon this... one of the early scenes was flying throught Space... then Clouds and we see a Juggernaught and think.... its David and Shaw..

We inside and see a Cryo-Sleep Pod.... inside... a Homo Habilis and the ship then being near Africa... then we flash forwards to Shaw in Cryo-Sleep and visit her Dream.

But my idea was to show that LV-223 the Engineers would come to Earth... take a Primate.. test and evolve it.. when pleased they would seed it on Earth... watch.. then come back and bring it back to LV-223 to Genetically enhance it again... so as to show this happened periodically to we get to Mankind.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

ali81

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Posted Jan-12-2017 12:43 AM

I wouldn't say the engineer had something under his armpit, if there was a tail and back spines it would make for a hell of a back burster scene.....

BigDave

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Posted Jan-12-2017 2:11 AM

I will answer that image another time, but its taken from the scene of Disaster in Alien Covenant,  looking at the different shots i can paint up a picture to a degree.

What we have is the ruins of a old like Courtyard, it may most likey had a Wall around it with Engineer Writing and around it Statues of the Engineers and a Head Sculpture to... but they all appear in a state of disrepair.

In the center of the courtyard or the far end is the Temple/Ziggurat this appears to have at least TWO sets of Steps to it... we cant be sure if its a low level Ziggurat where some Ancient Astronaught theorists have it these was some kind of Landing Platform.... much like we would use a Heliport....  or if indeed its a high rise Ziggurat where the highest point is access to a place of Worship or Throne of the Kings.

These Engineers appear for the most part to be looking up at the Sky.... at some kind of impending Doom... or just as some kind of Doom Strikes.... 

Alternatively they could be knowing a Impending Doom is coming or has been released.... and maybe that Temple was a port to allow escape via Ships that has now set off... leaving them stranded.

So they would be much like those left on the Titanic after the Lifeboats have all gone.  Then again as 4chan leak claims could be a carpet bomb run for no reason by David lol

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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