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The Peter Weyland Files

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metalos

Jan-03-2017 12:35 PM

We can watch four videos on the Extras section of the Prometheus Blu-Ray. Every video has a log from Peter Weyland. The Quiet Eye: Elizabeth Shaw video which was one of the viral videos has an interesting part of its log that i totaly forgot but i watched the movie today and i watched those extras too. So, Peter Weyland wrote this on 01-14-2090 before the Prometheus had started her suicide mission.

"As fate would have it, Shaw and Holloway's interest in Zeta 2 Reticuli has proven to be mutually beneficial. While the good doctors rely on ancient carvings and primitive cave paintings, my science division's own long range scans have recently detected a faint, almost imperceptible signal emanating from of the lesser moons in that system. And contrary to the findings of shaw and Holloway, which target LV-223 as our primary site of interest, our findings suggest the point of origin could actually be the moon LV-426.

Per standard procedure, we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission we've recently discovered until the time is right."

I think this comfirms the Derelict with the eggs already on LV-426 because the signal that Weyland's team detected was the one we knew from ALIEN if its origin from LV-426. So, those who think David created the xeno just take a breath.

What if David changed his mind and instead of Paradise he wanted to go to LV-426? What if Shaw and him got a fight on this and crash landed a third planet? We will see what happened sooner or later but i think the fact David knew about LV-426 will be significant if not in Alien: Covenant then in the sequel(s).

Just one more thing i'm thinking about. If Weyland knows about the signal in 2090 and the WY sent the Nostromo there in 2122 why they forgot about it after? In 2179, there are many conlonist family on LV-426 but seemingly there is no other goal than terraforming.  Burke sent the Jordan family just after Ripley talked about the derelict ship and the alien life form but before nobody knows nothing. Maybe at the time the people who knew about it were long dead? I didn't understand this plothole since i first watched the two movies.

42 Responses to The Peter Weyland Files

Myrddin365

Jan-04-2017 10:35 AM

Weyland had planned  to terraform LV-426 since 2040ish.  When the Nostromo was a total loss, the company probably tried to destroy all evidence of their complicity in the doomed endeavor. So the terraform plans went forward because all references to the derelict had been done away with.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

Tiwaz

Jan-04-2017 11:32 AM

 I figure the reasons are more simple. Even nowadays industrial espionage is a big topic. So it will be in the future, even in the real world. With the XX and the derelict on the table it guess they extremely restricted the access to these infos.

Burke may have been the director of a WY/W section but considering his actions he wasn't exactly the sharpest knife in the set, so to speak. Therefor he might not have had access to the files.

As for the colonists "Crew expendable" if anything were to happen.

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

Tiwaz

Jan-04-2017 11:48 AM

 Well, maybe they didn't exactly know what is/was on LV-426 but they knew there is somethng. Since Ripley was still taking her cryo nap when they started colonizing.

Also depends on how A:C spins the general plot line.

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

S.M

Jan-04-2017 12:07 PM

Ridley isn't beholden to info on a blu-ray extra. It might remain intact when Covenant comes out; it might not.

QueenElizabethShaw

Jan-04-2017 12:45 PM

metalos

"we will embed a David 8 unit with the crew. And he will programmed with multiple contingency plans to address and exploit whatever assets we secure on 223. But only David will know about 426 and will ensure that the rest of the crew - including Meredith - learn nothing about the transmission"

This has led me to wonder for some time if David was duping Shaw from the jump. If perhaps the only reason he warned her of the incoming engineer was because he knew it was his only chance to execute the LV426 contingency.

 

"What if David changed his mind and instead of Paradise he wanted to go to LV-426? What if Shaw and him got a fight on this and crash landed a third planet? We will see what happened sooner or later but i think the fact David knew about LV-426 will be significant if not in Alien: Covenant then in the sequel(s)."

This is another thing I've considered. The idea that Shaw somehow realizes along the way that David was using her and she tries to stop him but he ends up killing/subduing her for experiments. I wouldn't mind this out come though there are other theories also compelling which paint David as benevolent. Right now I favor something more like what you've outlined above but if the opposing theories can manage to mount a more reasoned foundation it could be difficult to favor either over the other.


Myrddin365
"the company probably tried to destroy all evidence of their complicity in the doomed endeavor"

This is possible though it seems more likely (considering Weyland, Vickers, and Burke for example) that the board room characters in Aliens don't know because they don't need to. Most large corporations use the same kind of "need to know" pyramid model for controlling sensitive knowledge that intelligence agencies use. Couldn't it be possible that once the Nostromo incident occurs, the company engages in a long term project to explore the planet using the plans to terraform that were already in motion as a cover? The colony could then pave the way for future expeditions to be undertaken in a more hospitable climate once terraforming was complete. The colony could then also serve as the "canary in the coal mine" to offer an idea of the situation while keeping an eye out for the derelict ship with the sought after payload (all of this is in line with typical business logic). Is there any reason this wouldn't be the case?

QueenElizabethShaw

Jan-04-2017 1:01 PM

S.M,

This is also true. Ridley doesn't seem like the kind of artist that appreciates being bound to extra content whether it's bluray extras, comic books, novels, stand alone films, etc

Myrddin365

Jan-04-2017 1:04 PM

I can't see a company risking 200+ gross negligence and conspiracy to commit manslaughter charges on top of civil suits from every living relative of those colonists. News clearly gets out eventually. hacktivists are a thing, you know. (Call)

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

Tiwaz

Jan-04-2017 1:54 PM

Hm... Let's see

Civil suits: 

Not everywhere u can sue companies "to death". In germany we had the Contergan-Scandal. Where tousands of children were born with deformations caused by flawed medicament. The producing conpany Grünenthal came out of it relatively unscathed. What they had to pay was little compared to the money they made. 

Gross negligence and conspiracy:

In case of Grünenthal the charges were dismissed.

This is just one example. So if someone asks me wether i think companies would go trough extreme lenghts when they believe the money is worth it my answer is yes.

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

S.M

Jan-04-2017 2:19 PM

 

EDIT - Double post

S.M

Jan-04-2017 2:26 PM

"This is possible though it seems more likely (considering Weyland, Vickers, and Burke for example) that the board room characters in Aliens don't know because they don't need to."

As far as we know the only Company people in that scene are Burke and Ripley.  Everyone else is ECA, ICC, insurance, etc.

"Couldn't it be possible that once the Nostromo incident occurs, the company engages in a long term project to explore the planet using the plans to terraform that were already in motion as a cover? "

Why wait 57 years and then partner up with the government to exploit the Alien?

QueenElizabethShaw

Jan-04-2017 2:39 PM

"As far as we know the only Company people in that scene are Burke and Ripley.  Everyone else is ECA, ICC, insurance, etc."

You're right, that's something that was always lost on me as a kid and to this day I still forget. Thanks for the correction

Why wait 57 years and then partner up with the government to exploit the Alien?

"I assumed they didn't have the exact whereabouts of the derelict ship since it was an unsurveyed planet. Figured they saw establishing the colony as an opportunity to closely monitor the situation"

QueenElizabethShaw

Jan-04-2017 2:47 PM

I don't doubt it was possible the info was lost through the decades. But would something that important so easily fall off the radar?

Also the events of Alien Isolation took place during this time so I'd imagine the creature and the Nostromo's black box is still fresh on the company's mind

Could be wrong though

S.M

Jan-04-2017 3:13 PM

Simple answer is that the Company - as a whole - didn't know anything about the Alien.  One person or a small group arranged to get the Nostromo diverted and arranged to buy Sevastopol 15 years later.  Much the same as how Burke was operating alone so he could obtain exclusive rights.

Myrddin365

Jan-04-2017 3:30 PM

In one of the final scenes in Prometheus, the Juggernaut Shaw and David steal ENTERS HYPERSPACE 

For literally the fifth time: In THEATRICAL CUT footage of Prometheus AND Alien, LV-223 and LV-426 are EXPLICITLY INDICATED to be in the ZETA 2 RETICULI system. If they are in the same effing solar system they don't need effing hyperspace. If RS wants to ignore what he shot himself, then he's not making responsible story telling decisions, and I have severe doubts about his ability to properly continue this franchise. 

"But they could come back later." They could also have a huge orgy with the Neos and Xenos wearing GIMP suits, but it's not likely nor would it make much sense based on what we know to be true.

Literally ALL of the AC marketing says that the planet they go to is UNCHARTED. LV-426 is not UNCHARTED Prometheus flew right by it. If they charted LV-223 they charted LV-426. 

Not to mention the planet wide, crust melting catastrophe that NO ONE SEES ANY SIGN OF 18 YEARS LATER that leaves a derilict space craft and massive egg chamber relatively untouched and transmitting a warning beacon. 

And why would RS NOT include the Peter Weyland files. It was his choice to include them in the Blu Ray. Is he suddenly going to say "yeah, I put this there, but f*** it."

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

S.M

Jan-04-2017 3:51 PM

While I agree with your overall point that LV-426 is not the planet in Covenant, a couple of things:

- Neither Alien nor Prometheus explicitly state LV-223 and LV-426 are in the same system.  Information released peripheral to the films, however do state they orbit the same gas giant (despite some obvious continuity errors).

- While the Juggernaut does engage what looks like an ion drive, we don't know that it's going into hyperspace.  I had the same thought - Why fire up that engine if you're just going to the next moon?

- The Peter Weyland Files were written by Charles de Lauzirika. Only a small portion of the audience would have read them, so if Ridley had what he thought was a better idea for Covenant, he's not going to go 'Oops, can't do that because of a blu-ray extra'.

Myrddin365

Jan-04-2017 4:02 PM

Lambert specifically states that they are near the Zeta 2 Reticuli system at the scene on the bridge in Alien. Around 12:52 ish. David's star map readout clearly says Zeta 2 Reticuli. On the display when they arrive. 

The faux motion it displays is shorthand in pretty much every sci-fi film for hyperspace or FTL travel. Star Wars, Star Trek, fifth Element. It's pretty universal.

The Weyland files are basically canon till someone more important than us says they aren't.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

S.M

Jan-04-2017 4:08 PM

"David's star map readout clearly says Zeta 2 Reticuli. On the display when they arrive. "

Which starmap readout? Do you have a timecode?

And 'faux motion' or not, it doesn't really prove anything.  Prometheus did the same thing when it rammed the Juggernaut.

"The Weyland files are basically canon till someone more important than us says they aren't."

Probably.  Mostly.

I think Riddles would count as 'more important'.

Myrddin365

Jan-04-2017 4:40 PM

I completely agree, but he hasn't made any such disclosure. Till he does, I'm going with his consent to include them as a stamp of canon.

I misspoke about David's display, though. I imagined it. The link is pretty vindicating, though.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

Apex_Predator

Jan-04-2017 4:50 PM

Who is to say that they first did not visit Lv-426 before going to Paradise? It has been ten years so they have had some time to make a quick stop.

Perhaps David brought an egg from the Derelict along the way and well, the possibilities are endless. Perhaps Shaw got facehugged etc etc.

Want some candy?

S.M

Jan-04-2017 4:56 PM

Maybe they did. It would still mean that the planet in the film isn't LV-426 though.

"I misspoke about David's display, though. I imagined it."

Bummer. I was almost hoping I missed some tidbit of info.

Sparkz

Jan-04-2017 5:16 PM

In PROMETHEUS dvd end, Derelict just gone up and SHAW complete voice message. We don't see in hyper-sleep bed.

 

Also dvd extras had delete scene which Fifield and Mullburn found a skin when lost-walking. The Skin looks like chest-buster to grow up xenomorph.

Myrddin365

Jan-04-2017 5:17 PM

But Riddles' confirmation that LV-223 was near Zeta 2 Reticuli in that interview is proof enough.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

S.M

Jan-04-2017 5:25 PM

If you like.  It's popped up in enough other licensed material to convince me anyway.

Myrddin365

Jan-04-2017 5:31 PM

I concur. It's just frustrating when something pops up and just won't go away despite best evidence to the contrary.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

Tiago_miami_la

Jan-04-2017 7:27 PM

 

"What if David changed his mind and instead of Paradise he wanted to go to LV-426? What if Shaw and him got a fight on this and crash landed a third planet? We will see what happened sooner or later but i think the fact David knew about LV-426 will be significant if not in Alien: Covenant then in the sequel(s)"

It is flawed for me.

Shaw has to assemble david ..david is the only one capable of piloting the ship..david vould say paradise is lv426 and they would go there and shaw would bite it..only david knows so shaw goes where he says.

The lv 426 derelict has eggs that spawn classic xenos. David manages to create a proto xeno...

If he wants to create it why woudnt he go straight to lv 426 and get the egg instead of making this exprimentations to get the same egg.

Doesnt make sense.

 

dk

Jan-04-2017 7:45 PM

@Tiago-

I am unsure whether it is confirmed if the Derelict had eggs or landed on a structure that had the eggs.  

S.M

Jan-04-2017 7:53 PM

"If he wants to create it why woudnt he go straight to lv 426 and get the egg instead of making this exprimentations to get the same egg."

If we assume David has heard the signal - then he knows as much as the Company knew when the Nostromo got diverted. ie. Someone sent a signal warning others about something dangerous.

So David wouldn't know what Alien eggs were, nevermind that there were any on LV-426.

Tiwaz

Jan-05-2017 7:49 AM

I think the derelict and juggernaut are not the same ship.

Think of the navy. They have x ships of the, let's say, Los Angeles class submarine. All the same or least quiet similar to one another. 

If I'n not misstaken even in Prom they had at least 2 juggernauts. One rammed by the Prometheus and the one David and Shaw flew  away with.

@S.M. Is Alien: Isolation considered canon? Because i read somewhere the WY-Files refer to it. Hard to keep track sometimes.

SPECULATION:

Asuming A:I is canon, 15 yrs after the Nostromo incident its flight recorder is found by a salvage crew. They also deactivated the derelicts signal when they checked its coords from the Nostromo logs. That'd be 22 yrs prior the colonizsation.

Eine Theorie die nicht auf Etwas solidem basiert ist für gewöhnlich nur Geschwätz.

Myrddin365

Jan-05-2017 8:03 AM

There was a scene in the original script and novelization that the Nostromo landing party cut off the signal beacon. I think AI is canon. It's too good to leave out.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

QueenElizabethShaw

Jan-05-2017 10:45 AM

Myrddin365 and S.M

Just to toss this into the discussion about the 'faux motion', is it also possible that this is just how Juggernauts travel to any location in space whether it's near or far?


Tiwaz

"Asuming A:I is canon, 15 yrs after the Nostromo incident its flight recorder is found by a salvage crew. They also deactivated the derelicts signal when they checked its coords from the Nostromo logs. That'd be 22 yrs prior the colonizsation."

I think that's dead on.

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