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The real leakleaks is here.(Spoiler alert)

The real leakleaks is here.(Spoiler alert)

Tiago_miami_la

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Posted Jan-02-2017 5:24 PM

 

***Spoilers removed at request of 20th Century Fox***

68 Responses to The real leakleaks is here.(Spoiler alert)

QueenElizabethShaw

Jan-03-2017 8:42 AM

This is supposedly the real leak.

[MOVED TO ORIGINAL POST]

 

Xenowarrior1

Jan-03-2017 8:54 AM

@Queenelizabethshaw.   That sounds like a great movie...let's just hope it really does go something along those lines

Xenowarrior1

Jan-03-2017 8:55 AM

Would also like to see into the lives of engineers a little though before their demise....maybe find something interesting out about them and their agendas......

dk

Jan-03-2017 10:27 AM

@QES

That sounds fascinating. That sounds like a lot to cover without making the movie feel rushed like Prometheus.

Goddamn Tropics in here

Jan-03-2017 11:13 AM

If this is real, I concur it sounds fascinating. Since Prometheus, I've always thought Ridders would use Davids tampering to produce the final egg/ hugger in Alien. I just hope when he finally links things up, it gets the crescendo it deserves 

QueenElizabethShaw

Jan-03-2017 12:39 PM

Yes, if the leak I posted is the true plot, it could be fantastic. All depends on the execution though. Even just a few bad editing decisions (or no AC sequel) could make it a total bomb

Tiago_miami_la

Jan-03-2017 3:24 PM

Dont know what happened my post got messed up.exactly what queen said and it will be this.maybe some modification.

 

I can easly see we being led to believe david died...but then in the end we realise by some familiar gesture or sentence that the android doing that is in fact david..and then we might see walter destroyed as late credit scene..i cant think of a better way to make the classic xeno...goo infecting the android...since scott said what if goo infects god or machine(android).

Androids cant be impregnated...we have many exemples in previous aliens..they only get destroyed. Aliens only want living beings..even s dog...do they have a soul? I guess yes..but if david gains a soul that doesnt mean he cant get impregnated aswell.

So from the proto to the classic...david has to do something that involves mechanics and exprimentation..and thats why maybe walter will be used for that..or david himself..wich could be the way he controls them if he in fact controls neomorphs.

 

So my prediction is..we are led to believe walter is in covenant...but then familiar gesture or sentence in the very end let us know its david...and after the credits we see a scene of something that has to do with walter death.

 

 

Anyways i am really expecting from the draft ..the advanced engineers space jockey will be back in next sequel..and something that will surpass the classic xeno. Doesnt make sense to me the classic xeno is the true perfect organism. I see females and male engineers on the covenant scenes..i dont see children..so maybe humans hold the answer to reproduction..maybe thats why we matter at some extent.they loss the way to reproduce themselfs.

 

Its a bit confusing since aliens can impregnate people and multiply themselfs.

 

So 

Queen.egg.facehugger etc

 

Alien.human.chestburster.

 

So they dont quite need a queen or a human only.

Sorry but i just cant believe the classic xeno is the ultimate weapon.

Humans destroyed them many times, predators hunt them for sport. Gods mastered their chemical in cans.

We get a protoxeno from david exprimentation on something and archer being the vessel..

Yet the deacon came from a god host.

 

We need to have something greater that shows us where it all began and what is the true daddy. At this point i really see the deacon a higher being then the xeno we love.

 

Also the queen cant be something who just spawned from a random impregnation...i allways thought the queen had to come first..the queen was where it all begins. So the egg first then a protoxeno....this kinda fell through to me at this point.they could make it much better.

 

Stan Winston (deceased)

Jan-03-2017 5:15 PM

Are you able to provide any provenance for this leak?

I'm surprised they kill off an A-list actor so early and inconsequentially. But maybe that exactly what they wanted to invoke: surprise.

QueenElizabethShaw

Jan-03-2017 6:20 PM

Stan Winston

It's alleged from a test screening viewer. Someone on 4chan (which is where I pulled it from) said it was originally posted on an alien fan sit by an admin who had sat in on the test screening and it was re-posted on 4chan yesterday.

Whether it's legit or not I do not know. I kind of hop it isn't because I'd still like to be surprised.

Also I agree with your "but". It wouldn't be a bad idea to start the movie off by shaking up the audience with an unexpected A-list death. Could immediately toss everyone into a state of unease.

Tiago_miami_la

Jan-03-2017 6:54 PM

The spoilers were also requested to be pulled off by fox. So if it was bullshit they woudnt do it i guess

Myrddin365

Jan-03-2017 7:59 PM

You would think they'd mention the Lander exploding... The trailer did. They also might have mentioned that the Xeno got on board the Covenant towing ship, because that's clear from the shower scene and Tennessee running around with a gun. They also say he made ONE egg. There are at least three visible on the trailer and a leaked photo shows more like six. Thanks again for these pics BigDave. Lastly, until I see David dye his hair, that's Walter in that shot.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

QueenElizabethShaw

Jan-03-2017 8:25 PM

Tiago_miami_la,

I agree. It seems this summary should disappear from 4chan (and this board) if it's legit. If I don't see that happen I'm going to assume it's BS.

Myrddin365,
The shower scene is a good point. Though I'm curious, do we have any confirmation that the scene occurs on the Covenant towing ship and not the landing ship before it explodes?

Also yes the summary says he finally succeeded with one egg. Does that mean that he didn't also create failed eggs prior to that one which opens on Crudup. What if David didn't even realize this egg was a success until Crudup is hugged? I could see there being eggs with miscarried facehuggers. Just throwing that out there for consideration.

Last thing, I've seen you mention this theory about David's hair vs Walter's before but do we have confirmation that they actually have different hair? Or are you just going off of David's hair in Prometheus?

 

Tiago_miami_la

Jan-03-2017 8:45 PM

Exaclty.plus the scenes are not displayed in order i think because it woudnt make sense in some of them. 

That is not walter. When we realise walter is david thats the shock we will get and it will be too late for the crew already.

 

We will be led to believe walter is walter...but im sure at some point walter is not walter anymore.

I dont think the proto alien gets to the covenant ship.its impossible.theres loads of embryos there.the shower scene will not be in the covenant ship but on the ship that descends to paradise.

Tiago_miami_la

Jan-03-2017 8:47 PM

Also he made one egg after lots of trials...but he just needed to get it right once so he can replicate the process...the leak could be referring to the first successfull egg.

A L I E N 4 2 6

Jan-03-2017 9:27 PM

I'm pretty sure you're right in saying we will see something more terrifying than the xenomorph at some point. I'm also pretty confident that Ridley will give us adult Deacon(s) and the "Ultramorph" (traditional facehugger impregnating an Engineer) at some point. 

QueenElizabethShaw

Jan-03-2017 9:34 PM

A L I E N 4 2 6
"adult Deacon(s) and the "Ultramorph" (traditional facehugger impregnating an Engineer)"

I would love to see this

ali81

Jan-03-2017 11:46 PM

I like this idea but I think a couple of things will differ. for example, I read some months ago 2 films were being done, an alien horror and another which focused more on the 'who are we'? theme and the decision was made to do the alien movie first. I believe this may not be the homeworld of the engineers but either a colony or another world seeded by the enginners in the same way earth was in the opening scenes in Prometheus. if what I read was true I don't see Shaw being killed of but more like she discovered David's experiments and fled and the next film will follow her quest to find the engineers. I also believe the shower scene will be nearer the end of the movie and on the covenant. not the lander, as showers would be more a homely comfort onboard the mother ship and not a transport type ship, im guessing the survivors believe theyv escaped only to discover that an alien has sneaked onboard and this is when walter will be revieled to be in fact david who let it on the ship

Myrddin365

Jan-04-2017 12:53 AM

I think it's Walter because they released a picture of Fassbender with close-cropped dark brown hair and said "this is Walter." So, without compelling evidence to the contrary, if I see a dark haired Android, it's Walter.  

David's hair doesn't grow. He isn't a cyborg, and he had such a hard-on for that look that there's no compelling evidence that he changed it between films.

The "leak" posted never mentions the lander blowing up, but it does say the Neos come out first. Add the trailer: the lander blows up during the neo fiasco. That makes a shower scene on the lander interrupted by a xeno... Pretty much impossible.

Tennessee pilots the towing vehicle, and he's shown running around with a weapon. Probably because of the Xeno on board.

Was the towing ship Planetside? Maybe, but considering how sideways things went with the Neos, I would have completely evacuated and not stuck around to see what happens next. So logically they are in space when the Xeno shows. No hunting for David's lab, no setting explosives. A David switch IS possible, as are surprise eggs, but there are too many holes in this one already. 

 

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

Tiago_miami_la

Jan-04-2017 1:37 AM

Ye putting that way it kinda makes sense its on covenant. 

QueenElizabethShaw

Jan-04-2017 2:34 AM

Myrddin365

I agree it's unlikely David changed his hair. Taking into consideration the scene in Prometheus where they went out of their way to show him dye his hair I can see this being likely. This would mean there are currently no images of David from AC aside from the cloak available (which fits with keeping images of others like Shaw, Peter, and Branson under wraps as well)

Furthermore if you are correct about the tow ship (which seems likely) I would imagine that Crudup is either brought back to the ship with amnesia (maybe just a lack of understanding) or the xeno is birthed on the planet and it makes it's way onto the ship before they take off.

Assuming the short dark hair indicating Walter is correct, I wonder if it is in fact Walter who is the traitor. If he witnessed the facehug, unless he is interrupted somehow and left behind, you'd think he'd warn Daniels and Tennessee (unless he did come along and had ulterior motives). If a David switch is possible, does this mean David might not be acting in the crew's best interest after all?

Myrddin365

Jan-04-2017 5:21 AM

It all depends on what commands Walter isrobotically following. A David switch could be the best thing for the crew if he doesn't bring facehuggers on the covenant, and isn't trying to jerry rig a xeno.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

BigDave

Jan-04-2017 9:19 AM

Think on paper it could make for a decent movie if there is more flesh to it...... but i think its also disappointing.... as far as not really living to any potential but to just skip past Prometheus and move onto a Alien Movie...

We also have to consider the supposed ending... which (unless a 3rd movie covers these).

*Wont answer the Questions from Prometheus relating to the Engineers and purpose... other than... oh yeah there was those guys who created this weapon... please see Prometheus for answers. (When the idea for doing a sequel was to cover these).

*The Covenant ship departs with few survivors and many more Cryo-Sleep Colonists.... but then where is it going, as surely the Covenant + Remaining Colonists depart from some other place... maybe Aliens are on board ... how would this however answer the Questions in Alien.. never mind lead to it... unless David/Walter takes the Covenant to LV-223... (which then raise questions unless the Covenant crew dont know until they arrive where they are going).

The Leaks if true.. is just a weak sign that Ridley backed himself into a Corner with the Prometheus Ancient Alien Plot, and now is looking at well the cheap way out....  and then maybe bring in the LV-223 Engineers (where ever any of that Bio-Mechanical Juggernaught War-Machine Race remain).  or skip them and introduce another Race who are their creators or where they stole the Technology from...

This would then introduce another Plot Hole.. as if this other Race are found and are hostile too, they have to do a plot where by the time they finish the Prequels.. these beings are also out of the equation...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Jan-04-2017 9:44 AM

I will attempt to analyze the 4chan leak and give a reason for why some may be correct and why some are flawed....

A thing we need to look at most too is my previous post and how would a sequel go?  Then we can find some errors in that. I give a example..

*If Daniels finds out David/Walter is involved in the creation or tricking them to face the horrors found on Paradise as far as Alien threats....  There would be no way she would want to go and find Answers like Shaw did... if they kill Shaw off, it makes no sense to use Daniels to be the one asking those questions..

And also knowing about those Horrors, and she would question why Paradise had Temples and so would question who was on this World Prior.... surely she would not want to go to another place Associated with them or their history or those Horrors.

*So the only logically way if Leak is correct... is they think that Walter is Walter not David... so they have every reason to trust this Android... and go back into Cryo-sleep (remembering she would be thinking about the other 180+ Colonists .. yes not Embryos and not thousands but another 180-185+ Confirmed Colonists). 

So she would want to escape that Horror... with a Android she trusts... so there has to be shown every reason she can trust him... surely if she realized David is rogue.. she would have doubt with Walter Too....

So somehow they are in Cryo-sleep and the Ship has Colonist.. or lets say Leak is correct... Frozen Embryos... and somehow Xeno ones have got on board...

*If these Xeno related Embryos are connected, they need a Fully Grown Host to Gestate inside...

So then we ask where does the ship go.....

LV-223?  another Engineer World?  only if the David/Walter tells Daniels etc they are off to some other place.. or back to Earth or off to their original destination......  But then while they are in Cryo-Sleep he takes them to a Engineer World or LV-223

Because unless we have flash backs... and cover the pre-AC history then it makes it more difficult for a Colony ship to be off some other place... then see Aliens get into Hosts and Run Amok on the ship..

Would this not have been done on smaller scale in AC...

Having a few more Xenos run around again on that ship... or even the ship arrives at a new world, and all is good.. back to business for Daniels to make this place a New Home..

Then Booooom! Xenos on lose again and chasing them around another Planet?

Makes not sense.... and wont link to Alien much... never mind answer anything Prometheus was trying to do.

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Jan-04-2017 9:49 AM

"I dont think the proto alien gets to the covenant ship.its impossible.theres loads of embryos there.the shower scene will not be in the covenant ship but on the ship that descends to paradise."

The leak claims Embryos and Thousands... but officially its been confirmed the Ship had 200 Colonist... prior to AC... this means 185 or abouts or bit more survived.... most in Cryo-sleep

Plus the Lander is too small to host that Scene.... and the other scenes... never mind  Fact one happens in the Cargo Bay of the ship.... by that Main Ship..

SPOILER........ Potentially...

Daniels is in that Cargo Hold, in her Space Suit and it seems she is being flung across the Cargo Hold... while the Doors or some other Hull Breach has occurred..

Its likely they are going the Alien and Aliens route... to basically open a Air Lock or Cargo Door and get rid of the Alien on the Covenant out and into Space.

The Trailer hints to this... which is against the leaks version of events.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Jan-04-2017 9:51 AM

"if what I read was true I don't see Shaw being killed of but more like she discovered David's experiments and fled and the next film will follow her quest to find the engineers"

We then have to ask.. how does Shaw depart... surely she cant fly a ship on her own.... and if David helps her.. to get away.. why would he want to mean Harm to the Covenant Crew.

If Shaw on her own found Engineers or related... how can she communicate with them.... for this kind of Plot to work she would have to meet some very Benevolent Engineers.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

QueenElizabethShaw

Jan-04-2017 9:59 AM

BigDave,

I have my doubts this is the real leak but I will say this. Real leak or not, I feel we are going to learn more about Xenos, neos, androids, and black goo in this film than we will about engineers. Though I still think we'll at least learn some. Either way I'm convinced Fox has already established the business plan for AC and accompanying content (like the VR) to ensure there's enough money for a next movie. That being said, I believe we will definitely have most if not full disclosure on the engineers by the end of the third film. I don't think Ridley has any intention of leaving their story behind.

Also, I have a feeling Daniels will not be chasing engineers down by the end of this film like Shaw was about to at the end of Prometheus (and she may not even be returning for the third film at all for all we know)

This here is a piece of wild speculation but I feel the third film is going to largely be focused on Weyland-Yutani and their struggle to acquire all alien tech while perhaps a new crew (in the company's service) will be chasing down and perhaps getting wiped out by engineers. We may or may not get an Alien tie in with a third film depending on how confident Fox feels about doing a fourth. I think a fourth film will largely depend on the success of AC and the VR game.

Just guessing though.

BigDave

Jan-04-2017 10:02 AM

As far as David goes...

The Prologue Seen has to be a David 1 to 3 model....

The Weyland Viral site shows Davids are first booted up with no Hair at all.....   David 8 model has Blonde Hair... but this could be a Promotional Marketing for the Models...

So you can customize Hair and Eye Color when you order your own David.... hell you can call them what ever you want too.

it appears David 8 was dying his Hair Blonde.... why would he need to do that, if his Hair is Synthetically added to order...

its a oversight.... maybe... because if David 8 was Blonde in the promotional Weyland Marketing to get people to purchase this Model......    if this is the same David 8 that is used on Prometheus he would not need to dye his hair..

Unless it grows... and its natural color is darker?

The reason for the Cloak is also partly to cover up the hair..

You can imagine the hard work work to shoot a movie with TWO Fassbender Roles that have different Hair... Its more simple to have the same Hair..

So having David hooded then being welcomed on the Covenant... or drop ship.... then using a Colonists Hair Dye to Copy Walter.... would make for a Better Plot Device...

Its how i would have done it....

Would make David Creepy... like he could look up to Walter.. and then we get a Single White Female.... kind of Plot going on... this would suit Davids creepy nature... and cover up any Shooting Hassle for Fassbender Blonde Wig etc... It would fit in very well with Davids Character... as he apparently liked and looked up to and wanted to replicate Lawrence of Arabia

Walter does not trust David... so David has find a way to bring him on board and well... sucking up and kissing Walter Ass and  having a infatuation with Walter could do that... its a page right out of Single White Female it works for the Plot and David's Creepy Nature.... and then ultimately the Perfect Foil for the Switch-a-roo...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Myrddin365

Jan-04-2017 10:12 AM

QueenElizabethShaw

The facehugger experience did cause short term amnesia in Kane.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

BigDave

Jan-04-2017 10:19 AM

Indeed....

I do however think they will be trying to keep Daniels as the new Ripley...... so its hard to think how does this go forwards, and yet provide links and Answers....

David is key to the movie... i think it makes no Sense for Walter to carry on... it should be About David.. at least as far as his Soul (say if he transfers his Memories to Walter) .

I had a Source.. who mentioned a lot of stuff before anything to do with Alien Covenant...  they passed information on to someone i know in Febuary 2015.... i relayed it here in March 2015... so many things mentioned that added up.... at a time when Ridley said no news on a sequel.. it was all about Alien 5 and Ridley said they are planning to eventually do a sequel that would be further away from Alien and no more Beasts.. its cooked....  The Source claimed this was not the case...

Anyway i dont know if they was correct... AVPGalaxy seemed to bash it all as BS... in that exact term.....   The information has never had a take down request and so maybe its not true.. but keeps matching a lot of what is shown..

Anyway... This Source claims David will be going through... Rebellion, Retribution and then Redemption... as far as  Arc.

Walter is a straight up Company Android.... serves the Ship.......   NOW..... we have to still ask... How come the Ship ends up at the place David was off too?

Oh its on the way to LV-223 or near and detects Shaws SOS.. so decided to follow where she has gone.... that makes no sense...  unless the crew are stupid...   "ok so this Shaw said this place is death, but they are going to the Homeworld of the Race who made this place Death.... lets go and follow?"

What if Walter has inside information..... he can use the concerns over David Model... to play into his hands... use David as a distraction so he (Walter) can carry out the company Agenda...

David is on Paradise... we dont find out much about the past... we arrive at the aftermath.... were David all alone has experimented on the Xeno related DNA for what ever reasons he came across it... i.e out of Curiosity and regardless if something is Evolving after or prior to his arrival.

It would make sense if David destroyed the Engineers if he found out their Evil intentions...  we dont have to cover this... David had no choice.... Shaw is gone... 

David is stranded and so he is now free to experiment..

After the events of AC... maybe David has a change of heart.... (Remember Fassbender says what if he has a Soul)

He discovers Walters Agenda...  we find out Walter is the Evil One...

David helps Save Daniels... he now Redeems himself...

Daniels finds out the Company Agenda... and how Walter was a Set up......  David helps Daniels because he realizes the error of his ways.. and Maybe Feels Loved or Longs for it... 

This fits with the Nature Boy Song!

They are on the Covenant.... at the end.. and either at the End...  or in the Next Movie...

David spills the beans about Paradise, LV-223 the Bio-Weapons...  Daniels then is off to Paradise to Lay Waste to that Place so the company can not obtain the Xeno.. etc

THIS PLOT... would allow to explore the unanswered questions.. link back to Alien...  fits in with the Sources information..

And makes a lot of sense...

But alas.... THIS IS HOW I WOULD HAVE DONE IT..

Is it what we shall get?

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Jan-04-2017 10:24 AM

Think maybe Fox should just get me to do them a Draft for the sequel lol

When i saw those leaked Props of Baby-head Aliens (which Neomorphs are not like) and the fact the Covenant is a Colony ship with couples..

I instantly thought.... maybe they will re-do the Holloway-Watts scene from Spaights draft.... having a couple, who expecting a child... get the Female infected.. and seeing a intimate Scene.. with a BELLY-BUSTER..  would fit in with how such Alien-Baby Head monsters could come about...

Imagine it.. it would Top the Chest Buster in Alien..

Then when i heard of the Shower Scene... i thought WOW maybe a theory like i had as above in the Shower would be EPIC>>>

But alas.... its just a Xeno Tail on a retake of the Lambert Scene in Alien...

I think my Pregnant Belly Burster in Show Scene would Topped the Crap out of that... LOL

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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