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Emotions and David

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dk

Dec-30-2016 3:36 PM

David said that he understood emotions but did not experience them himself. It seems he displays pride, betrayal and hatred which all have a mixture of emotions- negative ones. Perhaps he is unaware of being able to feel emotions. After all, most of us have emotions but are taught what they are and how to deal with them. Thoughts?

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Myrddin365

Dec-30-2016 6:20 PM

He definitely appears to portray those as well as the closest he can manage to affection and compassion to Shaw exclusively. 

There are rumors of him achieving self awareness in his time in Paradise. That would require him to accept his emotional reality. He was designed to mimic emotion, maybe it stopped being an act.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

BigDave

Dec-30-2016 7:55 PM

David has evolved, he is Weylands own Personnel Special Android....   He would be like Lucifer... who was Gods favored Angel and was allowed more Freedom... than the other Angels which would allow him to then get total free-will.

i was to touch upon this connection with my work in progress and abandoned Prometheus 2 draft.

You could tell the insults and remarks made by Holloway and Weyland had effected David..

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Shasta cyclone

Dec-30-2016 8:04 PM

Here is an example... he understands emotions, he interacts with a human with a certain emotion, because he understands he is able to respond accordingly non matter the out come and as stated above has allowed him to evolve by responding to his own responses from interacting with human emotions.  Did I make any sense ? Lol

dk

Dec-30-2016 8:42 PM

Big Dave- Always nice to read your insights. I think Holloway actually deserved David's wrath since he sniped David at every opportunity.

Shasta- my understanding of what you said is that David essentially developed emotions through natural obsevations and interactions like anyone else?

Myrddin365- David seems to have developed either negative or self serving emotions, but not things like selflessless or compassion which is the other side of the coin.

BigDave

Dec-30-2016 10:36 PM

I will assume David has evolved emotions... i think David 1 in 2025 has his memories and experiences transferred to each personal Prototype of Weylands... David 8 therefore has more relaxed Programing compared to the others (similar to Lucifer and compared to Angels).

David has therefore a collection of 69 years near enough of experiences....    and memories... this in part gives him a SOUL

I think David will discover the LV-223 Engineers are to the Elder beings (and young.. Sacrificial) as David is to Mankind..

Only the Engineers are Organic... due to the Elders Advanced Technologies....

I think David finds out maybe that those who created the Engineers are not the Gods.... and the Hierarchy is more similar to David (Machine) and this gives him a sense of purpose...  that he should not serve Mankind... but the other way around.

Or if he finds the Hierarchy is not Machine to a degree... but those Elders.... (well Sacrificial Engineers) he may find out that the Engineers were treated the same as he is by his creators...  David may pity the Engineers and Respect the means they took to create something else to use against their creators..

So David will punish the creators for the Engineers and pursue the Engineers Agenda to create something to use on his Creators.

This does not mean any Engineers are alive.... David could find this information some other way.....

I think looking at clues... the Elder Sect of Engineers are Human size and not Giants.. (Sacrificial) they created Giants in the Engineers... who are 8-10ft tall....

The Space Jockey? its either a Race connected and above them all.... or another War weapon Race created by the Elders...

Or the event of Genesis 6:4

I will assume the Engineers had proceeded to interfere with Mankind and have us worship them as Gods... but its the Elders who are the Gods (they are just Humans only our Ancestors... we evolve from them).

This kickstarted the War between them....

Or maybe these Engineers then mated with Female Elders or Human Females and this leads to the Giants (Space Jockey)

Or if not then maybe the Engineers are a result of mating between the Elder Engineers (who had females taken from them) with Human Females to produce the Engineers aka Genesis 6:4

I think some of those themes are what we are getting... i would bank on it being close...

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Myrddin365

Dec-31-2016 11:01 AM

@DK he was actively attempting to comfort Shaw after her difficult emergence from hypersleep.

He was consistently "kind" to her before they went out.

He was as gentle as he could be after she came up pregnant. His behavior here is confusing, but he says nothing untrue about personnel and facilities, and his suggested course of action was the most logical way to keep Shaw alive until the nontraditional fetus could be safely removed.

He saved her (and Holloway) from the sandstorm.

He was protective of Shaw after Weyland died.

@ Big Dave if David is Weyland's Lucifer, and he Rebels against everything his creator stood for. This would make David more akin to an Angel, given what a prick Weyland is.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

BigDave

Dec-31-2016 12:50 PM

"This would make David more akin to an Angel, given what a prick Weyland is."

This depends on if maybe we consider is GOD a Prick ;)

Paradise Lost portrays God as a Tyrant and Dictator..

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Shasta cyclone

Dec-31-2016 2:05 PM

@dk

yeah that is where I was going with it. Emotional interaction and emotional reaction to his actions evolve his ability to understand and react to those emotions to the point he will feel/believe he is human.

im rambling lol

Myrddin365

Dec-31-2016 3:40 PM

@Big Dave that crosses into territory best left out of polite conversation. My point remains that David being intensely averse to Weyland's goals and methods would be hard to paint in a nefarious light.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

BigDave

Dec-31-2016 7:09 PM

Indeed its not intended to be offensive but i understand it can be...

Basically its a way to look and compare these Gods... be it the Biblical, or Greek or what ever...  as being very Dictatorship kind of rule..

So i agree with what you are saying...

It would be like lets say the Movie Chappie (i know) but its very relevant here.....  Chappie suffers a Accident that then allows his programing to be altered..

it could also be seen as say if David was a company robot, he was so advanced, superior in every way but essentially the Worlds Most Advanced kitchen Appliance..

If someone say Shaw... took pity on David and saw how he is treated as such.. yet he has so much potential if not for his programing...

Would Shaw be considered Evil... if she simply chose to reprogram David or remove the programing that makes David have to stick to Protocols..

She thus gives David Free Will... its not a Evil Action its one of pity and seeing how his potential is withheld by his Programing for his limited purpose... (whole Blade Runner Arc here).

would Shaw had done a Evil deed?  Nope... but in doing such a thing she could then allow David to do the same with the other Androids and then we have a whole Terminator situation on our hands..

So this analogy could be one way of looking at Satans, action to give Mankind the Gift of Knowledge of Good and Evil... via the Forbidden Fruit... much like Prometheus and his theft of the Fire..

Was Prometheus Evil?  in Zeus eyes he would be...

So basicically the God.. and i dont mean to point out any God in particular..

Has a  agenda for his creation.

*They have a set of Do's and Dont's

*They must Worship the God/God's without question.

Breaking any of the above results in serve punishments..

And so yes its like a Tyranny and Dictatorship.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Myrddin365

Dec-31-2016 9:09 PM

@BigDave We are on the same page with David. It will be interesting to see what form his freedom takes. Weyland is a pretty good creator to turn ones back on. Means you are most likely headed in a "good" direction. Away from Hubris.  

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

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