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David?

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Hicks/Hudson

Dec-29-2016 7:34 AM

I had an interesting thought after reading several ideas on this forum.

What if the Space Jockey in the original Alien is David?

Yes, I know the size comparisons is a huge problem, but I always felt Ridley never meant to explain his origins when he made the original hence the large size.

David is a major catalyst in all this, in the creation of monsters, in the Company, and in the majority of the plot in Prometheus and possibly Covenant. Him becoming the major antagonist and the reason for how this all started would make sense on a few levels.

First he is a creation of us and he is curious. The David 8 models were meant to be more human-like. It would make sense that if he became some sort of a infamous figure in Weyland history that they would discontinue making models like him. It would also keep in tradition (minus Bishop) of synthetics playing a role in human demise.

Second, he knows how to pilot the Engineer's ships. If we are to assume that in the 10 years since Prometheus that only David remains on the planet, who would be left to pilot the ship?

Forgive me if this has already been a proposed theory.

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Stan Winston (deceased)

Dec-29-2016 6:14 PM

All you say is still plausible in my eyes, because there isn't anything to refute your theory that I can think of. OK, the space jockey has an exit wound in his chest, but there's nothing to say a synthetic could not incubate an alien -- albeit it hasn't been portrayed as of yet.

If this 'prequel' saga becomes David's story (as some members suggest), then maybe we will eventually see David grow a sense of morality or ethics to an extent that he can be considered 'good'. Who doesn't like a bad-guy-turned-good story? And as you describe, in a selfless bid he pilots the derelict to save Mankind, and the rest is history (or the future, so to speak).

dk

Dec-29-2016 7:25 PM

I have a little trouble with this one. I thought the SJ was bringing harm to earth but crashed. On the other hand, if the SJ is David, perhaps that chest buster was the original biomechanical Xeno.

Stan Winston (deceased)

Dec-30-2016 3:35 AM

Well that was the SJ that was departing from LV-223, but never made it out. The original SJ crashed on LV-426 and no one knows if it was coming or going, but we do know the distress beacon was in fact a warning to keep away.

I hadn't ever thought about the traits a xenomorph would inherit from an android birth! But yeah maybe it would be more biomechanical -- and if David gives birth to the final evolution, that would be a cool character arc IMO.

Hicks/Hudson

Dec-30-2016 4:32 AM

Exactly! Organic and mechanical, that usually how the original Alien has been described and how Giger portrayed it in his art. David being the host could make sense.

And yes, David finally coming to the realization of what his experiments could mean who show his growth to being more human as he always seems to want to.

PerfectOrganism937

Dec-30-2016 4:53 AM

The problem with this theory is that Weyland Industries already knows about the signal emitting from LV-426. Both Peter Weyland and David are the only ones aboard the Prometheus ship with that knowledge. Even having this information before the Prometheus mission, Peter Weyland decides to go to LV-223. This means the crashed derelict spacecraft is already on LV-426, therefore David or even Shaw could NOT be the pilot!

Hicks/Hudson

Dec-30-2016 5:10 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Prometheus Shaw and Holloway decipher the pictograms into finding the LV system, leading them to LV-223. LV-426 isn't even on their charts when they pull up the navigation on their ship.

Therefore this could still be plausible. David and Shaw either crash land on LV-426 or they go there during the events of Alien Covenant. David puts the beacon on after the crash or whatever happens, he births the Xeno, and the Company sends the Nostromo there to bring it back.

The signal does not emit during the events of Prometheus.

Shasta cyclone

Dec-30-2016 5:57 AM

how would you explain the time line difference? the SJ in Alien was 1000's of years old?

Hicks/Hudson

Dec-30-2016 5:59 AM

That's what the crew of the Nostromo thought. It all could be retconned, no where in the original Alien or even Aliens does it specifically say for FACT that it was there for 1000's of years. It's assumed by the crew that it's been there that long. It's possible that LV-426 is the planet in Alien Covenant and due to a terraforming accident, the planet is laid to waste.

Hicks/Hudson

Dec-30-2016 6:01 AM

The fact that the Alien could be conceived from David would also explain Ash's peculiar interest in it. Ash almost seems proud of it, like it's a step in an evolutionary chain that his "lineage" was a part of making.

PerfectOrganism937

Dec-30-2016 6:02 AM

@Hicks/Hudson, you're incorrect sir. The information I provided is from the Weyland-Yutani report. I don't have that information on me at the moment though. I will try and find that information on the web, if not, I'll double check the report when I get home!

Hicks/Hudson

Dec-30-2016 6:05 AM

Incorrect about the Derelict being there that long?

PerfectOrganism937

Dec-30-2016 6:09 AM

@Hicks/Hudson. Actually, the information is on the Peter Weyland files on the Prometheus blue-ray. It states something along the lines of.....After Shaw and Holliday's proposal, Weyland Corp had their long range satellites trained on the Zeta 2 Reticuli system and actually picked up on the signal emitting from LV-426, despite the planned destination of the Prometheus being LV-223. The only people made aware of this was Weyland himself and David. Not even Vickers was told.

Hicks/Hudson

Dec-30-2016 6:14 AM

Ah. That does put a damper on things now doesn't it?

Thanks for the information!

PerfectOrganism937

Dec-30-2016 6:15 AM

Hard to say if Fox and Co. considers that information as canon, though. So it could still be retconned. Part of me thinks they just threw in those easter eggs to try and tie everything together without much thought. Who knows.

PerfectOrganism937

Dec-30-2016 6:18 AM

@Hicks/Hudson.....Well, there is still hope for your theory based on this article

http://www.themarysue.com/prometheus-blade-runner-connection-debunked/

 

So those easter eggs might not be canon!

Hicks/Hudson

Dec-30-2016 6:32 AM

You know, I had the thought about that. It's all fantasy anyways, but I was going to say we shouldn't trust the Weyland-Yutani report of the Peter Weyland files as truth because throughout all Alien movies, they lie repeatedly to further their own agenda.

Lying about the signal, lying about how long the Derelict was there, lying about synthetic people would all fit into place because they wouldn't want anyone finding out. By establishing their own "truth" they could make any story they want and feed to the masses.

Myrddin365

Dec-30-2016 7:51 PM

That information is considered canon by most of the community, and Fox seems to want it that way. Continuity is a big deal to this fandom, so it would not be in the property's best interest to intentionally spread patently false information. Misleading is fine, but total lies? Not so much. It removes any frame of reference so we have nothing to base our speculation on except what happened on screen and ANYTHING goes. 

 two things are set in stone even with filmed, theatrical cuts of alien and Prometheus:

1 426 and 223 are in the same system. Zeta 2 Reticuli.

2: Shaw and David  clearly went into hyperspace at the end of Prometheus, so Paradise is not

This is where things get complicated. Without the Blu ray extras, we have to assume the message from 426 was NOT transmitting because nothing in the filmed record shows David recieving it. This is a MASSIVE plot hole. And he would have at least had a conversation with Weyland about it. There is also a holographic film embedded in Aliens Colonial Marines that actually is canon that shows a ship shooting the juggernaut down after a short battle. The victorious ship is not a known human configuration. So why would David go back to the Zeta 2 Reticuli system with a cargo full of eggs and who shot him down? All the engineers on Paradise are clearly dead.

How does that fit into the covenant narrative? And how would he get chest bursted or face hugged in the first place when he is made ENTIRELY of inorganic material. The signal could just be a pre-recorded fail safe, so that's why it's in Engineer, but a xeno gestating inside him at all is a problem.  The sheer size of the figure in that suit is another issue.

Want proof about androids not getting face hugged? Martin is standing near several eggs in the trailer when Crudup's face gets a hugger. None of them open. Images edited and provided by Big Dave.

@perfectorganism "I would argue that the viral pieces that are included in the Peter Weyland Files are canon just because they originated with Ridley [Scott] and Damon Lindelof. I would say those, to some degree, are canon." That's a quote from the article you posted. 

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

Shasta cyclone

Dec-30-2016 8:08 PM

On the Prometheus (from the movie) website it does state that weyland knew something was up with lv 223 and lv 426 way before the Prometheus mission ever took place.

of I'm not mistaken I think he found the signals in 2039...I think.

Myrddin365

Dec-30-2016 9:05 PM

@Shasta Cyclone

You are correct. It was just brought into question as to whether the viral marketing was reliable or actually canon. I believe it is. Without it, Prometheus has the massive plot hole I mentioned above, and a nonsensical action taken by Mr Fassbinder and/or Shaw at the... End of covenant? 

The pieces don't fit together. Lots of people want 426 to be Paradise, and that makes 0 sense even based on the movies themselves, as I mentioned above.

Safe? Of course he isn't safe, but he's good!

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