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Alien: Covenant - Prometheus sequel by Ridley Scott

Alien: Covenant

COUNTDOWN TO COVENANT MISSION LAUNCH:

Is SHAW the EGG??

clovenberg2

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Posted Dec-28-2016 6:53 AM

Shaw is missing. 

We see only 1 egg. 

We see the dog tag / id neckless inside the cave where the egg probably is. 

The Lifecycle in Alien is that if needed the xenomorph will capture you and start a process with your body that you turn into a egg. 

Did David turn Shaw into a egg with the black goo?

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A L I E N 4 2 6

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Posted Dec-28-2016 8:15 AM

Oh gosh I didn't even think of that.....frick....that would be horrifying! 

clovenberg2

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Posted Dec-28-2016 9:01 AM

Horrifying for sure! Could be a valid theory regarding everything we know. 

Ati

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Posted Dec-28-2016 9:19 AM

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Hicks/Hudson

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Posted Dec-28-2016 9:25 AM

Here's my thought:

The eggs are usually laid by a queen. Since this is a prequel and we don't have the established "True queen", my thought would be that Shaw is the original queen. Her actual eggs are harvested from her by David, mixed with the black goo, and they in turn become the traditional Xeno eggs we all know and love.

Aorta

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Posted Dec-28-2016 9:56 AM

I have been hoping this all along, but alas that one leaked image showed several eggs on a set, so in that case maybe not? 

I'm personally hoping for zero Queen connection, and zero Ripley connection, although neither of these would ruin it for me. Would love to see an Eggmorph,though. That would be quite hideous.

Lone

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Posted Dec-28-2016 10:15 AM

Eggmorph....yes please!!

I hope we see someone being eggmorphed, but I think Shaw will be used in some other way! ;)

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Batchpool

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Posted Dec-28-2016 10:30 AM

At the start of Prometheus, David looks in on Shaw’s dreams and we see a funeral and Shaw asking what is going on. I do believe David had a certain respect for Shaw’s religious beliefs. Now the big assumption at the moment is the possibility that Shaw is dead. Although we don’t know how this might have happened, it does raise the question of what would be done with the body. We know that this new planet does have its own form of life. Now what happens if a burial takes place ? Are there organisms in the ground that can interact with a dead body giving rise to the Xeno egg?

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clovenberg2

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Posted Dec-28-2016 10:37 AM

What we should take into consideration is that they can breathe on this planet. What might happened to her is that she drank the black goo from David, the same as the engineer in Prometheus and terraformed this planet so the ecosystem fit humans. 

LV426Qeen

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Posted Dec-28-2016 11:25 AM

I had just posted a similar assumption, based upon the deleted scenes from Alien.

Batchpool

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Posted Dec-28-2016 12:51 PM

One of the clips in the trailer shows the juggernaut in the background, which looks like it has crash through a building of some sorts. My guess is that this planet has already been seeded by the Engineers and terra-formed. This building may have been like the one on LV223 and producing a breathable atmosphere. I do think there is some connection between what the sacrificial Engineer did in drinking the goo in Prometheus and Shaw being previously infected. My only other theory is that the spore we see is a result of what might be someone walking over Shaw’s grave.

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Aorta

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Posted Dec-28-2016 2:57 PM

Hi Batchpool!

The Juggernaut appears to have pulverized some very large trees. A comment was made elsewhere that it looks small, and I thought so too until I found the humans in the frame for reference. It's just that the trees are huge.

Aorta

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Posted Dec-28-2016 3:00 PM

'David, are you alone here?'

'No. Dr. Shaw is here too. Would you like to meet her?'

'Yes.'

'Right this way...'

'What is that?'

'It's Dr. Shaw. Look closely.'

*SPLURT*

clovenberg2

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Posted Dec-28-2016 3:03 PM

ROFL!!

clovenberg2

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Posted Dec-28-2016 3:04 PM

The whole scene is now destroyed!! haha..

Aorta

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Posted Dec-28-2016 3:21 PM

Oops spoiler alert

Shasta cyclone

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Posted Dec-28-2016 3:30 PM

I think there are many eggs, eggmorphed by using the engineers that once lived there, there is no queen...yet

clovenberg2

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Posted Dec-28-2016 3:43 PM

BTW where is the leaked photo showing multiple eggs in Covenant?

clovenberg2

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Posted Dec-28-2016 3:43 PM

BTW where is the leaked photo showing multiple eggs in Covenant?

Batchpool

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Posted Dec-28-2016 3:47 PM

@ Aorta,  class comment.

[IMG]http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k511/mcsnapshot/sig2_zpsa0a6d2e2.jpg[/IMG]

Shasta cyclone

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Posted Dec-28-2016 3:55 PM

If you look in that pic David is standing next to an egg also....

if this pic is a no no I apologize 

clovenberg2

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Posted Dec-28-2016 4:02 PM

yes I see that now. Thx.  I just saw Prometheus again. The ship they fly is another ship than what crashed in the end. I always thought it was the same, but after seeing it again its another one. Who knows whats on that ship..

Fassyswife

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Posted Dec-28-2016 4:32 PM

There are numerous fates which Shaw could have met, however the egg thing, effing brilliant and disturbing on such a visceral level.....I can only begin to guess what happened to her but knowing how diabolical David is, it's both disturbing and oddly fulfilling (certainly entertaining) to consider the plethora of ways in which David is utilizing Shaw in Covenant....one thing I feel for certain, she's not just dead without having served some greater purpose for David.  We'll see won't we?!

BigDave

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Posted Dec-28-2016 5:15 PM

@ Aorta

joking aside..... indeed this could be true... if they ask what happened to Shaw... after they find the Dog Tag (even though Shaw never had any but we tackle that latter)...

David then shows them the Eggs... they get Face Hugged.. well they asked what happened to Shaw, and if this is what became of her then basically they wanted answers they got them...

This is how maybe Shaw got her answers too.... if the Agenda and Purpose for Mankind was to be use for the Black Goo or Hosts to the Xenos... and David found this out... she would be like "oh so there are no Engineers left" " how i am going to get my answers"  David is like... i know them do you want to know... "Shaw yes, i deserve to know why was we created and then why was they doing that stuff on that Moon they invited us too!"  

David could go are you sure you want to know those answers Mam....  "yes i do David"  ok.... then he basically either experiments on her with the Goo or unleashes something on her....  and then well Shaw wanted Answers and so David shows her why Mankind was created..

I think these are a way to indeed tell the Agenda and Story.

I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!

BigDave

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Posted Dec-28-2016 5:17 PM

@Shasta cyclone

You beat me too it LOL

I was going to post that image too... as indeed the trailer is made dark... but it clearly looks like the same Room... and in the trailer you can make out at least one more Egg...

The image you showed is not quite the angle though i will post it next..

 

I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!

BigDave

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Posted Dec-28-2016 5:47 PM

Ok forgive my Poor skills and basic edit program used...

 

I can cant get exact match as the angle is off as i will show... and also David will maybe be off scale a bit... in bottom image.

I have enhanced the Trailer a bit...

You can see 3 Eggs marked A B and E... in the Set photo only A and B are visible from both shots... there are other Eggs that are obscured by Camera Angle in Trailer the Torch Light and David.

David is standing to the side of Egg 1 or 2 or in between and a bit to the left so he is obscuring Eggs 1 and 2.

 

I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!

Stan Winston (deceased)

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Posted Dec-28-2016 5:59 PM

*** SPOILER ***

Regarding the leaked set photo (hence spoiler warning), I counted eight eggs. It becomes interesting when one asks the question: which egg-making process is Sir Ridders going to go with? If he opts for cocooning, then he needs eight hosts; if he opts for laying, then he needs a queen; of course he could also continue with the 'black goo' shenanigans, although this normally skips the egg and 'hugger phases.

Personally, I think the 'neomorph(s)' get up to michief and manage to cocoon eight of the crew (or 7 plus Shaw), sans captain and robots (for obvious reasons).


Edit:

Ok, just saw BigDave's analysis, which shows a different tally of eggs, but suffice to say, there's more than two!

BigDave

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Posted Dec-28-2016 6:02 PM

As far as Shaw goes....

We know she is missing from the Synopsis, they only find David...  We know Shaw was first not part of the cast, but in a interview at a premier Rappace was asked about AC and she hinted she not in it, but she had a look on her face that said she is hiding something or knows Shaws Fate.

Rappace was then brought in to do a weeks worth of shooting which does not mean a lot, it depends how things go... her time on set compared to Total Shoot time is 7% which if we look at Run time of a movie its like 6-8 Minutes of Footage.. this is based on 7% of Screen time... we do not know how long she was on set for the Week could have been to be on set and in New Zealand with only a day worth of shooting.

We know Shaw will appear we can only assume in which way.

Flash Back is a likely bet... or Holographic recording?  But right now its just speculation.

What we know for 100% is that David and Shaw set off from LV-223..... 10 years have since passed and Shaw is not present on Paradise... this does not mean she is not hidden away.. she is just not found initially by the Covenant Crew.

*She could be in Cryo-Sleep  Dead or Alive

*She could have become something else (Dead or Alive)

*she could have died and been disposed of on the way or after landing....

*Something else could have happened to her after landing or on the way and she is no longer there.. or as a Shaw that is.

*She could have been taken away by Engineers lol...

We just dont know...

The Plan was for Shaw to go to Paradise and get her answers, and also that we get some of ours regarding the Engineers.

*Why did they create us, why did they want us destroyed.

*What was the purpose of LV-223 and why leave clues to its location.

*If the Engineers are not Gods, who are.. are the Engineers taking orders from someone else? 

So basically yeah a lot of questions...

But we are now in the aftermath of what ever happened to Shaw and what ever they found or did not find and what ever questions was answered or not... we are now up to 10 years after any such events..

SO... IT WOULD BE STUPID...

*To not somehow drop clues to what happened to Shaw.

*To simply have her killed off Screen, even if we see a Body like Hicks and Newt in Alien 3... without some clues to why.

*The biggest Cop out of all would be... oh she died in Cryo-Sleep... she died in the crash etc..

They would be better using her as some Plot Device..

And so Shaw having something to do with those Eggs, or something else.. i think its a Logical Outcome.

I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!

BigDave

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Posted Dec-28-2016 6:12 PM

Indeed.... if we ASSUME....

Paradise had no Eggs... prior to David's arrival... and we look at the Alien Franchise...  there the options are.

*Eggs created from Genetic Material either Morphed by the Goo or by a Organism created by the Goo and so similar to the Egg Morph..... this does not mean they need 8 Engineers or Humans... maybe any Life-form could work?

*Eggs laid by a Queen or obtained by something that has Eggs, this again can mean obtained by something evolved to be a Queen or a Organism mutated by the Black Goo to lay Eggs.... Or a Organism that has Eggs to Harvest to be Evolved into Eggs.... Shaws Eggs? But i guess any Egg Laying or Producing Life Form could do...

Indeed these are alternative takes on the Egg Morph or Egg Laying Methods...

But can we rule out that these Eggs had been there prior to Davids arrival?

We have clues, and as time goes on we will get more... so its all Speculation at the moment but thats great....

It really depends if this Cave System is somehow connected to the Juggernaught..... the ship looks like its crashed... and this Cave System does not look like its a Natural Formation.. it looks like its been Man-Made or Engineer Made.

So knowing if the Ship crashed on top of this place, or if its far away from this place would be a massive clue.. The trailer seems to play like its part of the Juggernaught or underneath it.

But we can not take the Trailer as being the exact chronological order the movie plays.. as it brings some potential Plot Holes or Errors which i will discus on other threads.. What i am saying is between the scenes in the trailer there could be gaps and these could be on screen time as minutes... or maybe even longer..

I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!

BigDave

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Posted Dec-28-2016 6:14 PM

Indeed i would say at least 10... but it could be double that all we can say is at least 10.

I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!

BigDave

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Posted Dec-28-2016 6:43 PM

SPOILERY..... ASSUMPTION....

Back in March 2015 i posted some so called leaks from a Source who claimed to have information on Paglen/Green Draft, they told me a lot of things which they gave more details on from March to June 2015 (first information was in February 2015) at a time when Ridley said Prometheus 2 would be going away from the Xeno.. no more Gods and Dragons and Beast is Cooked... The source claimed thats not the case... they informed me of some basic concept work that would be used as basis for concept artist to build upon, and that Production would begin just before Fall 2015 and expect Big News in November 2015.....  Indeed News Came then and a lot of the Source stuff is coming to light... but that AC is a re-write and so stuff has changed....

Waybe Haag made a interview where he said he came onto the team to look at some already done concepts and they was to evolve them and this was November and the Movie then had a few re-writes in the Summer.....  Now Logan was brought in to re-write P2 into AC in the Summer 2015... so the November was 2014... which is when the Source also gained there information...  Coincidence?

Anyway.... back to topic... The Source claimed that Shaw plays a small but important role... she is Technically not Dead, she is incapacitated for the most part and has small screen time but she is pivotal to the Plot...

If the Source was correct... this hints at Shaw maybe being a Plot Device for how Davids plans go... and it seems AC is now set at the aftermath of what ever the most part of P2 was going to be....

So now we have AC.... its a coincidence Shaws fate could indeed had been what the Source hinted at...

LETS EXPAND THIS... SPOILERS... BASED ON ASSUMPTION

If Shaw is to be part of some Plot Device... to use her for Davids experiments... she would maybe Technically not be dead... if she is..

*Harvested for something for experiments (Eggs)

*Mutated into a Lifeform (Fifield).

*The Trilobite experiment is performed on her, over and over as each early stage is removed and incubated by other means.

Shaw would not be dead.... not as far as a Timeline between Prometheus and Alien Covenant... which the P2 movie was set in.... but now in a Aftermath... she could now be Dead.. or Gone..

If she is Chest Busted then she is dead.. maybe technically she lives on in her Xeno Offspring... but Technically not dead... means something else to me...

Now... we had those leaked Images of Props... I wont post them because they was requested to be removed.

We saw what some thought was Davids Lab.. yes David manages to get Pen and Paper and is able to keep Xeno-related Experiments in as Good as New Condition.. with not decomposing.. yet some are now Skeletons (Birds like Turkey and Human Baby New Born Skulls).

David also managed to Study Adult Xeno and Deacon like Monsters without getting killed... and Hammerpedes, and well he also got the head off a Xeno-Hybrid without the Xeno tearing Davids Head off in return....

NOPE! These are not Davids workshop... but they could be things he has created... these photos are from the Creature Design Workship...  to give them inspiration and also Human Baby Skulls and Chicken/Turkey Skeletons are there so they can use as references for the Anatomy and Biology of Creatures they wish to design...

Which brings me to....

The 3 Baby-Head like designs... different sizes but similar looking... they are based off some unused Prometheus ideas...

How can these Baby Creatures fit... why are they props and why requested to be taken down?   We have the Neomorph but looking at the description and  the quick look in the trailer these dont look like the Baby-Morphs.

Looking at Prometheus i ask how can a Baby looking Hybrid come about, these are like Baby Fifields really... if a Baby or Fetus was to be infected with the Goo (or Spores) they could evolve into those Baby-Head Xenos.....

This could maybe point to some of the Covenant Crew are pregnant and get infected.. leading to a Hybrid like Fifield Baby Belly Buster.. that would be Epic... and also if this happened in the Shower.. wow.. but the Shower Scene is just a Xeno..

Could these Baby-Heads come from Shaw then? maybe?

Next.... we have the Deacon looking Baby Xeno.... this looks like the alternative Deacon designs and also Shaw (Watts) Chest Buster C-Section Xeno from Spaights draft... so they could be re-using this.. and these appear to be the Neomorph... so they are not Shaws Baby's

Then we have the Large Hybrid Head, that looks like a Alien R Failed Ripley Xeno Clone... looking at Prometheus i would assume this would be the result of Black Goo on a Human in large doses... more than Fifield... or a Fetus thats infected with the Black Goo... but surely more of a Early Stage Human Fetus and not a Egg as that leads to Trilobites..

Maybe its Shaw... evolved?

Then Concept Artist Dane Hallett released a series of Alien inspired works... they showed Female Character in various states of mutation two in some Human/Xeno Hybrid.. one a Female that was like Sil/Eve from Species/Species 2.. another a Female/Tentacle Blob Hybrid... like she was being Egg Morphed into a Trilobite... then a Female thats attached to something like the Space Jockey

These could be just his own spare time works that have nothing to do with the movie... seems a lot of effort in his spare time....  or maybe they could loosely be based on some works they was thinking of doing... from  P2 to AC that they have now abandoned as a idea for AC

If so he would be free to publish them...

So who knows...

I do think they had some plans for Shaw... that directly link to Xeno related creations at the hands of David.. but will we now see the same since the Logan Re-write?

 

I do like Apple Pie, hope to share some on my Birthday in May!

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