Another undeciphered distress call?

Sadly, Fox officially said the story for Aliens Colonial Marines was Canon.

It was dropped from being canon sometime ago.

S.M,
A good summary of your argument. I do see where you are coming from however if Ridley DID want to make this LV426, it wouldn't be difficult to come up with rational explanations for each of the issues you mentioned (with exception to the ship size thing. He'd just have to gloss over that, and I can't really see many being upset about it except for those who grew attached to the idea it's a different ship).

Myrddin365,
Where do we get an indication the derelict space craft was "shot down". Also who is to say the Juggernaut against the mountains in AC wasn't already there. Does it have to be the same ship Shaw and David arrived in?

I should also note here that the files indicate that David is the only one who knows about LV426 and as such (especially in the context of the file contents) it would make sense for David to mislead Shaw and go to LV426 rather than "Paradise".

Riddles and his writers could come up with anything they want to try and make it work - whether it stands up to scrutiny is another matter.

@S.M didn't realize they'd dropped it. I just know they added that Easter Egg in collusion with the Prometheus team. Feel free to disregard the hologram. All other info points to a derelict too old to be that one on LV-426. 

S.M,

Agreed. Some crafty writing would be required in order to make it all fit. Making LV426 the AC location is potentially a high risk move if not managed carefully.

I'm also curious about how messy Paglen's script was. Unless he has credentials that extend beyond what is indicated on IMDB, I would assume he's fairly inexperienced. Though perhaps this is why they hired him. Someone who wasn't jaded by the industry.

Either way, the rewrites themselves could lead to logical inconsistencies. If they move in the LV426 direction, it may be the result of multiple people the building off a rookie script.

Still John Logan is a good writer. I could see him resolving many of the problems if he had to. And considering this is a science fiction film, all writers can pull the advanced technology card. Science fiction which takes place in the future is always allowed to push the envelope when it comes to creatively filling logic gaps since it allows for fictional technology.

I just don't think they are telling the story that a lot of people think they will on this site. Too many people are obsessed with David going all "mad scientist."  We actually have no idea what David is like when he isn't taking orders directly from Peter Weyland. 

Two things we can bet on with a high degree of probability

1: Paradise is NOT LV-426.

2: David neither creates nor recreates the Xenos. He doesn't need to, they are already around.

One thing I choose to believe: David brought about the Neo infestation, but only in an attempt to save or avenge Shaw.

Myrddin365

I'm actually unconvinced we can bet on anything with high probability. So much is up in the air. But we will see when the time is right. One thing I can say is that if David is given warm fuzzies about Shaw, that will need to be handled very carefully. That could go cheesy fast and push a lot of people away.

They already set up his warm fuzzies for Shaw in Prometheus. It's not ambiguous. The high probability items I mentioned fit the established facts of the franchise. Ignoring them is not a great basis for a reasonable theory on our part or effective story telling on RS's.

Myrddin365
I can see how one could conclude warm fuzzies on David's part due to his watching Shaw's dreams, caring for her in the infirmary when she was impregnated, and his seeming to move his loyalties to her once Weyland dies.

We should remember however that he is a machine running on complex algorithms. Additionally, misdirection is a great story telling technique. Ridley would be doing the story telling a service in leading us to believe David has grown to care for Shaw only to later reveal he did not care for her at all and was merely using her as a means to an end.

If RS decides to throw out continuity, then anything goes and there's no baseline to start from. Hard to determine what is reasonable or not. If Alien and Prometheus are any indicators, we are all thinking way too hard about this anyway. Minimalist efficiency seems to be how these stories get told.'

Indeed, but that's the fun bit ;) lol

I agree though.  I think as a fan of the these films and, more importantly to me, being hooked by the mystery and intrigue the whole saga presents it seems very important that RS and the writers tie all this up in a satisfactory way that maintains continuity with events and ideas from within the franchise (mainly films for me but also consider the viral stuff useful - comics not so much but that's just my opinion).

I agree with SM here:  Going off what we see so far they are two very different engineers ships.  I highly doubt Paradise is LV426.

If I were a betting man I'd stick a week's wages on it ;)  

Again, if I were to lose that hypothetical bet then I would seriously question the continuity to the point where it would affect my enjoyment and engagement with the films.

@Deep Space 

Yeah, when you say "I know all this stuff. happened before, but f*** it we're gonna do our own thing" you get Alien Resurrection. Not a complete waste of time, but it just didn't feel like a real Alien film to me. Cloning is as bad a cop out as a hypersleep dream or time travel, if you ask me.

I agree, they're different 

Ladies & Gents,

Derelict does NOT have a mountain behind it. Note in Aliens the Jordens found entry into it with a section broken from a lava flow.  Here are images to support.

No Mountain There.

Definitely no mountain there.

Regards,

Rick

@Rick

Great pics, thanks!

what's funny is that in Aliens the extension with the hammerhead had damage to it ( maybe from the crash ) and in this pic there is none.  Also.....

they also said in Aliens it was somewhat buried in Lava and may have been said in Alien but I cant remember.(someone could correct me on that)

hmmm can't say I'm convinced.

"what's funny is that in Aliens the extension with the hammerhead had damage to it ( maybe from the crash ) and in this pic there is none.  Also.....

they also said in Aliens it was somewhat buried in Lava and may have been said in Alien but I cant remember.(someone could correct me on that)"

The damage occurred to the Derelict between 2122 and 2179 (post 2137 to be more precise), from a lava flow according to Cameron.

lava flow....like from a volcano?

Perhaps this dark mass faintly seen through the fog in both pictures is the volcano

Looks like the sun shining through fog.  Sunlight would be blocked by a mountain.

Hello Friends im new here to the AC forum! I've been reading all of your wonderful theories as to what we will see and could possibly see in AC and it's sequel(s) And I have to say coming and reading all the great ideas everyday is my daily and fun ritual! So thank you for sharing all of your wonderful thoughts! On that note this thread along with many others intrigues me. 

@QueenElizabethShaw 

ive been playing a lot on the Alienmovies.com website with MU/TH/UR yesterday I came across this...When I typed in "Planet Paradise" I got this...LV-426!!!

Pretty interesting don't you think? Please other members what do you all think this could mean? Since I'm new here forgive me if someone has already posted about asking MUTHUR this Query. 

Thoughts anyone? 

That's certainly interesting, but that site has some bugs. For instance, some people who typed in "Shaw" got a bio for Jonesy the cat.

Courtney Estrada

Yea I just got the same thing. I also got it when I typed "PLANET P"

I did not get it when I typed "PLANET" or when I typed "PARADISE" by themselves

S.M,

How do we know the sun is shining from behind the Derelict through the mist and not shining at the mist from the front end?

Also are you going to explain where the lava came from? I didn't see any in Alien or Aliens and I don't see any in the pictures.

Since both of those pictures are publicity stills and not in the film, it's ultimately neither here nor there.

As for where the lava came from - tectonic activity I suspect.  You'd need to ask James Cameron if you wanted more precise detail though.

Regarding the ships- I don't see a significant enough difference to determine if it is the same ship. I would think the ships were made the same way on LV223. Different military vehicles look similar but have some alterations for different functions, but I just don't think that is the case here. Can I prove it? No.

I also think the mountain may be a coincidence. Again, I have no way of confirming. I have a tough time believing they went that deep in the weeds on detail for this.

the impression I got from alien was the derelict crashed due to an alien bursting out the pilot and the acid hole was created by that alien.

I would doubt shaw sent the message,if david has been experimenting then shaws character doesn't come across as the type to want more people to come to that environment, she seems more the type to sacrifice herself so others wont come to any risk.even if the company send people to investigate a warning message theyd be landing on lv223 first. its more likely david who has sent the message, for what ends I don't know. either more people to experiment on or to see what will happen when they become exposed to the infected planets plants and his experiments. he may be wanting off the planet to return home and see how his experiments adapt to earth. I believe david may have a form of hatred for humans or he believes he is the next form of evolution.because humans have created him 'coz we could', he has taken it upon himself to become the creator of something

I believe paradise is lv 426 pre nuked or pre cataclysm event..the shots and places convey the idea the derelict is the same..if its on purpose or not i dont know but would be a lot of coincidences .

I really dont like the idea the derelict from lv 426 is thousands years old. 

Humans spawn classic xenos from the same eggs we see in the derelict.

However archer will spawn a protoxeno from a egg in covenant.

So...either they tell us that they first engineered a queen that layed all those eggs in the cargo for them to take to earth or other planet thousands of years ago and this has a flaw..because we spawned a queen in alien 3 and 4 so they needed us to create the so called perfect organism?come on i dont buy it...or they just made eggs...and that for me its dumb as fuck and bigger flaw. Aliens is a reality.queen makes the eggs...we were educated to see that hierarchy of events.

Would be logical for me the another top hierarchy alien creature who is even more ascient and mighty was the true origin..so the queen we know is a variation of a human spawned xeno.

However that derelict in lv 426 has classic xeno eggs..so how does it has thousands of years old??

Plus let us not forget...of a facehugger got the space jockey...whatever spawned from it was the ultramorph..so where the guck is the ultramorph? Dead because thousands of years old since the crash? Again i hate that idea..its either very poor decisions on prometheus making or we gonna be educated that the derelict its not thousands of years old indeed and we gonna see what happened.

If not and they go with thousands of years old derelict..then my friends i dont see the logic in a lot of things and i will end hating what comes next.