Did Prometheus predict Alien: Covenant's new Aliens and how they behave?
Posted Oct-26-2016 4:01 PM
During the initial marketing run for Prometheus (which was brilliant), we received a number of viral images and videos which attempted to bring us up to speed on a few of the film's concept prior to its theatrical release. One of which was the "Black Goo".
It was mentioned by Big Dave in the recent spoiler-ish news article concerning Alien: Covenant's new Monsters. He mentioned that one piece of Prometheus viral marketing in particular contained information about the Black Goo, as it relates to its apparent use in Covenant.
According to the leak, the new Aliens in Covenant start out as dormant spores inside organic sacks, littered across a planet whose ecosystem has been completely transformed by the Black Goo. When disturbed, the spores release and become airborne. From there, any surrounding wildlife who happen to inhale the spores provide it a cozy new home for it to develop in.
In Prometheus we witnessed the effects of the Black Goo through ingestion, minus Fifield.
Here are some sections from an official Prometheus marketing piece, which outlined the effects of the Black Goo compound, when ingested.
And on the opposite side of the same document, details on the effects of the compound if inhaled:
Now, you could argue the latter was reference to Fifield's development, but if we are to assume the compounds are identical, would it not make sense that the crew would suffer a similar fate in Covenant?
According again to the leak, the crew infected do eventually give birth to white/translucent Alien creatures - with tails and an iconic enlarged cranium.
The document excerpt above suggests instead of birthing a new Alien, that the host in fact BECOMES a new Alien by DNA recoding.
My question now is, did Prometheus' marketing predict the effects and outcomes of these new beings in Covenant? Or are the spores themselves, a genetic recoding of some fungal organism? If so, that would mean the Spores are "stage 2" in a 3 stage development process required to produce the organisms we've witnessed in Alien and Prometheus.
Assuming this 3 stage theory holds water, we can also assume that the Facehugger and Egg are a stage 2 level development as well, leaving Alien: Covenant room to explain its own stage 1 development, likely thanks to tampering by David.
What do you think? Let me know your thoughts below!
Posted Oct-26-2016 4:07 PM
I would also like to add the "Weapon Dispersion" section of the inhaled compound. It references Planet_Test_1Alpha. What is that?!
How would Weyland know the dispersal techniques this pathogen uses and how long it takes to engulf a planet and infect its native wildlife?
Perhaps there are more clues to Alien: Covenant present in previous Prometheus marketing than we initially thought...
Posted Oct-26-2016 6:30 PM
I think maybe yes Chris they could use this as a basis for what they wish to show, we have to remember this file was released to try and explain the Black Goo as a lot of people had not been able to figure out it.
Or maybe Fox/Ridley saw how people was interpreting it and it was not the way they wished it to be interpreted.
This File as far as i am aware is no part of Prometheus Virals prior to the movie but it was a File released after. It was released either as.
1) A method to clear up and explain the Black Goo as they wanted to show it.
2) A method they now wish to go as far as how the Black Goo works.
We have to remember a lot of changes happened to Prometheus in the cutting room and done so in a way that seems they felt they wanted to change certain aspects of the movie as far as the Engineers Agenda was.
I however found this File Contradicted what the Movie showed us.... also the Data is classed as not accurate so they can cover their backs if they decide to show us the Black Goo in a different way.
I have covered it before when this File first came out, so i dont want to go in massive detail.... but i will tackle the Inhale Element
The Effects Fifield had seemed more inline with the same effects of the Hammerpedes... and so i would not say Inhaled was correct.
Its a mistake they made... but then it could be a way they wish us to now accept how it works..
To me Fifield/Worms showed what happens when the Black Goo comes into contact with a Organisms Skin/Body.... the Worms Mutation was more because of the larger amount of Goo they had been in contact with compared to body size... compared to lesser amount/body size of Fifield.
Holloway and Sacrificial Engineer could be hinted as having the same effect via Ingestion however again the effect is a bit different because of the amount the Sacrificial Engineer had consumed compared to Holloway.... however i also feel these are not the same substance... quite.
The other flaw with the Inhale Aspect is the Crew was not infected and when Shaw asked if its in the Air... David 8 said no it was not.
But thats not to say that despite evidence supports my stance maybe.... the File is maybe the way Fox wish to show us how this works...
Could this mean they are following similar pattern and using this as a basis for INFECTION in Paradise... as per the Leak?
Who knows... if we take the File as Canon then maybe yes they could go this route.
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Posted Oct-26-2016 6:39 PM
Another thing if we are to assume this File is to be considered 100% Canon.... I doubt this shows us the company knew about the Black Goo Prior to Prometheus.
This information would either come from.
1) David transferring data the Engineers had, or David interpreting Engineer Data and sending it to the Company.
2) Another mission after Prometheus to LV-223 where they find this information and transmit the Data.
3) Another mission to LV-223 where the company obtain the Bio-Weapon and have tested it.
It would however combine the above and show David maybe send some information and the company have maybe then gone and obtained a sample.
Here is a link to the Full File on Agent A0-3959X.91
One of the old Topics on the subject is Here
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Posted Oct-26-2016 6:43 PM
As far as a Prediction its maybe more of a Fox using this as a basis for what we could see in Alien Covenant... we also have to consider that to a degree what Fire and Stone covered could also have connections as far as potential use and outcome of the substance.
We dont know how they are evolving the Plot Points and Questions from Prometheus... a lot had changed..
Including the Elders Scene.... in which Ridley had said he did not wish to meet God in the first movie, and he also implied the Elders just did not look Godlike enough.
The Engineer on LV-223 had re-shoots and a lot of edits to paint a different picture in the Theatrical than we would have got with the Full Version.
And so indeed the Black Goo Fact Sheet is something they may follow more closely with a few tweaks here and there.
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Posted Oct-26-2016 6:59 PM
I will however Chris add that indeed a would be prediction of sorts is maybe not far off... this is if we assume the leak is correct but even if its completely made up...
We cant rule out the relevance of this File about Agent A0-3959X.91
And as i have mentioned above we have to ask how did they obtain this information if it was meant to be Canon... as far as indeed the company obtained this information and they will base it as Canon...
But when did this happen....
I have studied the File again just a few minutes ago before doing this reply..
AND GUESS WHAT!
Regardless of the Neomorph Rumor/Leak....
This File could be a set up for future plans and used as a basis to where they are going next... so i mean they had a plan to maybe some future Plot points after Prometheus 2094 to Alien 2122.
This is the very bottom of that File.... Look Close....
This Data was Translated by Cybernetic Individual: D939.1WEY
I am not sure this had been discussed before..
Yes this could be David 8 and so it could be me picking up something thats not meant to be a Clue but being able to make a clue out of it... that is not actually meant to be any connection The Straw Man .. approach which Michelle rightful pointed out i have a habit of ;)
And so this is by no means Fact... and could be Coincidence and nothing more..
But what is the likelyhood of David 8 getting all this information while he was with the Prometheus Mission? Maybe he could..... but it would mean he very much had a lot of information on the Black Goo.
Or could he had gathered and transmitted the information after he was on the Juggernaught...?
This is one theory that could lead us to a Alien Covenant connection or at least some sub-plot/event that may not be shown in the next movie... but a event that occurred in the time line..
This is the maybe just Coincidence.. piece i am on about.... Why would David 8 be model D939.1WEY
What if... and its fun to just speculate.... so again just a Straw Man Approach... maybe...
What if the D9**** donates a David 9 Model?
So David 8 would be like Cybernetic Individual: D801.1WEY
This could fit in with the File and Information being from a second mission with David 9 Androids to LV-223. Or maybe from Covenant?
If the company was aware a little about the fate of Prometheus then sending a primary David Android Crew makes sense..
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Posted Oct-27-2016 9:19 AM
I haven't read anything about it. I don't think that people should have to read very many pages before watching a movie. They did a mistake by doing this, not that it isn't interesting but they went wrong IMO.
This doesn't mean that they predicted it, it just happened that they gave an idea of how it could be.
Posted Oct-27-2016 3:16 PM
This is a solid point...
A lot of clues that can help to make a theory or a more solid one, is something that required taking on board additional sources of related information (external clues/websites officially linked to the Movies) DVD bonus material and comments by Ridley and Production Crew.... and perhaps also previous drafts for the movie and others in the Franchise.
But you are correct that for the average person they should not be required to invest so much time into these things to make more sense of the movie and plot.
Hopefully they learn by their mistakes...
Prometheus is a movie that once you have seen it 5 or so times and paused and slow motioned and replayed certain scenes... does start to make more sense.
But its only other external clues that may offer more insight... and even then these can be misleading due to the ambiguity and a case of which clues are we meant to follow and which mean nothing and lead us down the wrong path.
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Posted Oct-27-2016 5:02 PM
Wow, good catch there Big Dave! The mysterious Cybernetic Individual: D939.1WEY seems to me like a definite link to the David android and like you said, not a David 8 model, but a David 9.
Alien: Covenant will feature a new David, if we get any hint whatsoever that he is a 9th generation model, this will lend some serious credibility to this discovery!
Again, how could Weyland know of the Black Goo and how could they have testing protocols having already run for the duration of the time required to produce the data above? The test planet definitely raises some questions. Everything used in the Prometheus marketing had meaning to it and many of it contained hidden clues and messages fans had to work hard to decode. This, I'm sure is no different.
So, David 9 collects enough data to produce the above information for Weyland / Weyland-Yutani. Does this happen during Covenant? Or during the time BETWEEN Prometheus and Covenant?
As new marketing crops up, we should be keen to cross reference it with these images. I have a feeling this will turn out to be more than coincidence.
Posted Dec-01-2016 1:33 AM
Some very interesting points here!
The D939.1WEY has to be a link to a David model, surely?! I'd go with a D9 model, possibly Walter? Rick - that's got to be either a very quirky coincidence or touch of humour from the creators?! :) Great spot!
Looking at the planet testing is very interesting: I thought at the first time of reading a while back whether these are planets tested on by WY 'independently' of what we see/have seen so far, or if they relate to Paradise and/or one of the LVs?
Could 1Alpha be Paradise? Time period of 1-2 lunar months (which is inconclusive, granted), total planet data unavailable? If this was a test by WY scientists why would they not have full data sets? It's interesting to note the time elapsed and % the infection has spread on the two sets of terrain and how this correlates to sentient life being eradicated . . . Could Paradise n fact be 3Gamma?
Perhaps I'm stretching things a bit but I definitely think there are some little nuggets or clues to be found in these documents - thanks again, Chris! If the spore theory is accurate then perhaps a localised infection (from David and 'his' ampules?) accounts for the lower loss of sentient life and the incomplete data set on 1Alpha?
OK, I could ramble on with ideas here for a while so will cut it short :)
I will add one last thing: I've thought for a while that the cybernetics at WY may be pulling more of the strings than we realise, particularly after Weyland's death and the subsequent knowledge that the Davids will have. Also fits in with the use of robots in latter movies . . . although Bishop kind of negates that idea :) lol
It all seems to tie in with David and his 'big idea' is what I think I am getting at :)
Posted Dec-01-2016 9:20 AM
We have to remember this file was released after the Movie, and in a way it was to try and clear up the Bio-logical Weapon and Effects we saw in the movie....
It contradicts what we saw a bit though...
But they are not intending it to be a 100% Cannon File as to take the information as exact... hence the low % in Data Completion.
Which bring me to that point....
That this file does seem to point more to a Filed Report from some Synthetic at Weyland Yutani who has either, or was part of a team that.
1) Experimented with the Black Goo.
2) Witnessed the usage of the Black Goo
3) Came across Engineer Records of the Black Goo and formed a report based upon this.
Now we have to wonder how did the Data Become Incomplete... maybe the Mission/Ship the Synthetic/Company individuals who was on this mission and prepared that report suffered some kind of event that led to the destruction of them and their ship so that the information was damaged and so not every component could be salvaged.
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Posted Dec-01-2016 10:37 AM
I'm not sure where this info. supposedly fits on the ALIEN time line but I'm assuming its after Prometheus but prior to ALIEN. If it's supposed to be after AC as well as before ALIEN then you kind of have to assume that the info is coming from David(s) and the two known WY encounters with the goo; and refers to the planets LV223 and Paradise. Not definitely, but likely.
@BD - You could be right about the incomplete data or it could be that it means they could only draw certain conclusions based on what info. they had and need more samples/experiments to be sure. Perhaps though, someone didn't want the company to have all the data . . ;) ?!
Posted Dec-04-2016 6:21 AM
Indeed but i prefer it to the Davids..... to had obtained Engineer Data and Translated it....
Going the route of them using the stuff, is a sticky situation.. pardon the pun....
Because if the company had conducted such tests... then why would they need the Xenomorph....
The only way is if the Bio-Weapons are on a Juggernaught that is destroyed to prevent the company from getting its hands on the stuff...
The way of the company testing it however could explain why no Paradise and LV-223 in Alien movies... and why not go to those places...
If we assume ALPHA is LV-223 and we assume the Planetoid only had a small number of inhabited areas... i.e the Location of the Outposts that the Prometheus found is the ONLY location on the World and there is not a single trace of other Engineer Technology or Bio-Weapons on the World but that Valley...
Then yes the Test Subject ALPHA could fit the Bill....
And Test Subject GAMMA being Paradise could fit the bill to why they cant get anything from that World as its NULL of Life.....
Where as ALPHA has merely lost 15% of the Worms... which on their own provide nothing of importance to the Company.. but just being the first kind of advanced as far as more than bacterial life they found (Our First Alien Deleted Scene).
The Big Question though is if the Goo outbreak or future testing leads to destruction of Life... on one hand it would explain why the Weapon was used as a means of Bio-Warfare....
But would contradict things we saw in Prometheus... (effects) and Fire and Stone Comics (again as far as potential effects on contaminated World) and Davids "to create one must first destroy" comment to a degree.
And also..... would a Test on a World... destroy all Engineer Architecture and Technology... would Juggernauts simply Melt away?
It kind of could explain the Derelict if it had Black Goo and spilled out and evolved and somehow infected and changed the Molecular structure of the Ship and Urns..... and would explain to a degree those Bio-Mechanical Landscape shapes dotted around the site of the Derelict.
Happy New Year Folks!!!!!
Posted Dec-04-2016 6:29 AM
The big thing is however how far was they thinking when they did this document... did they intend to follow it up as basis for other movies or just a oversight.
The same goes with the Weyland Viral site... as this site points out a few things.
1) They was aware of LV-426 System a long time ago, and the potential for it being able to support life.
2) They had determined latter but prior to Prometheus, that the near by Moon of LV-426 could hold potentially more rewards at a greater risk... than LV-223 that they are going to.. this is why a David 8 model was in-bedded on the ship and he is aware of LV-426 and no one else is (we can assume Peter Weyland may do) and David 8 is to keep a eye on LV-426.
These would tie in with why Weyland would risk all that money to go to where Shaws Star Maps pointed... i think no soon as the companies findings and Shaws Ancient Maps.. pointed to the same system it had to be more than coincidence.. and so a mission was given the Green Light. Rather than as Fifield stated... " we are there because of a Map Two Kids found in a Cave"
The above also would show us a reason for Order 937 as the company indeed was aware of LV-426... surely once Prometheus was in the system and David was to keep a eye on LV-426 then he would detected the SOS from the Space Jockey and fully know what it meant..
1) Space Jockey Language was different to the Engineers.
2) The SOS/Event happened after Prometheus...
But besides its like the Data File in the OT.... we cant be sure how much Canon to place on the Weyland Viral Site... and how it adds up to any back ground for the Franchise.
Happy New Year Folks!!!!!
Posted Dec-04-2016 3:10 PM
As far as the languages being different as far as the space jockey and the engineers
in Prometheus the engineers language seemed to be ancient Sumerian
in alien ( deleted/alternate scene) when the nastromo listen to the transmission coming from the derelict was a weird not recognized language
however..... mother ( the computer) was able to decipher the transmission as a warning.
i agree with others that waylend company kinda new what they were getting into and I feel the same for alien : covenant. The company knows what's in store and the colonists are pawns
itll be curious to know how yutani was able to merge
maybe they are the ones going behind the scenes and gathering intel
Posted Dec-04-2016 5:39 PM
Indeed i thought maybe some intel on Weyland-Yutani would be interesting....
But the Alien Covenant Viral site if they did one could cover this...
The Weyland one did give clues....
Yutani is a Asian Company that is a rival to Weyland.. think of maybe Microsoft and Apple..... they also created Androids but there ones were not as Realistic due to Weyland winning a Patent over a Material that allowed for real life Skin etc.... which Yutani tried to Sue over... maybe due to potential Monopoly or maybe because Weyland stole the Tech.. who knows.
Yutani are a company that seems to deal with Communications and Software, it appeared they was monitoring the Communications between Shaw and Weyland as far as her discoveries...
They (Weyland) had detected some signals or something of interest in that system from near by LV-426 that could be of interest.... if the Yutani ECU is to be trusted...
This to me implies Yutani are major player in Communication Technology... and maybe they could be playing a bit of the NSA role and are actually spying on Weyland.
Something has caused the Merger and i would wager it being on information that Yutani have that Weyland want or need... there has to be some key point between say 2094-2100 that effects the Merger...
Its a case of will we ever know? or do they (FOX/Ridley) think we ever really need to know...
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