PARADISE

The Synopsis states Paradise as "a remote planet on the far side of the galaxy"

The Galaxy is a Large Place and we cant take the Synopsis as being Exact, as Prometheus was bound for a Planet the Darkest Reaches of the Universe (Dark could mean as in Ominous and not Far Reaches).  But back to the Synopsis and far side of the Galaxy which could put Paradise as being upto 75'000 or more Light Years away.... so surely  well over a thousand times further than LV-223 and LV-426 is where the Far Side of the Galaxy lies... surely too far from a Earth Ship to reach within less than 10 years especially if the ship is older than the Technology we see with the Sulaco...

Maybe not too far for Engineer Technology, unless Davids ship has left open a Worm Hole of Sorts?

So we dont know much about Paradise.... However the Source had passed on information Months prior to even the mention of Alien Paradise Lost, never mind Alien Covenant.

There claims as far as Paradise was interesting but something that i just had to take with a lot of Salt..... but then with the announcement of Alien Covenant maybe things add up?

I can not for certain be sure the Source is even 1% True... but they touched upon Paradise as a month after the first set of information and so it was first week in April i had found this information.

*Paradise is a Earth Like World, that is like 3-4 Times Larger than Earth.

*In the Concept (claimed) depicted a World that was very watery but also had lots of Green, it however looked very green as far as Atmosphere and they said pretty much looked similar to how the Klingon Homeworld Q'onoS looked like from Space.

*Paradise is located towards the Galactic Center... (at first i thought they meant Center of the Galaxy some 26'000 light years.. but latter comets put it much closer... so they must have meant near the Galactic Equator.

*Paradise is located in/near or past the Constellation of Ophiuchus (Serpent Bearer) and is about 600 Light Years away or 600 Parsecs but they said they are sure it was Light Years.

*On the way to Paradise,  there are many Nebula and in the background could also be seen The Pillars of Creation
Nebula (Eagle Nebula) which is in Serpens which is the Top of Ophiuchus

*They claim that Paradise is actually not the Engineers Homeworld but just the Headquarters if you would for our Galaxy which points to the Engineers being more than bound to our Galaxy (the Juggernaught Navigation Map displayed other Galaxies).

*They claim that Paradise is not Paradise no more and is more like Hell, and thus became Pandemonium.

I did not know how to take this information.... but Months latter when we got the Synopsis and Start of Alien Covenant, it could fit the bill....  

What i find interesting was they described the World as like the Klingon Homeworld as far as Atmosphere seen from Space and its appearance and how its located past Nebula's....    Then we get the Covenant back ground image that shows us clouds and so like Nebula and Green Colours

Anyway it was the other day i thought about doing this Topic and looked into the potential for Earth like Worlds in Google..

And Kepler 22B Stood out to me as it looked just as the Klingon Homeworld is depicted from Space.  The Source had said the World looked like its Attmosphere was Green a bit, but the World appeared to be Watery... which means more proportion of Water to Land than Earth?

Here is Kepler 22b and from these images indeed it looks 3-4 times size of Earth.... its also about 600LY Away...

We have to remember Mass is not the same as dimensional size, a World can be in Diameter 3-4X Earth but the Mass would be more than that.  Kepler 22b is also temperate like Earth..  so Scientists claim.

However Kepler 22b is located in the Constellation of Cygnus and not  Ophiuchus however Cygnus is connected to Orpheus in Greek Mythlogy could the Source or person who relayed Source information to me (as i have no direct contact) had simply gotten the Ophiuchus and Orpheus  mixed up?

Or could Paradise be a World similar to Kepler 22b but not the same World but one located in the Constellation of Ophiuchus?

The more i dug into Ophiuchus it made connections with the Place from which Gods Dwell,  a Place Associated with Serpents and Healing and even the Key to Immortality.

Someone on here not long after i revealed this information before mentioned that Ophiuchus in context with Satan is mentioned in Paradise Lost?

While the last two posts are about the supposed Source information i dont want to turn this Topic about the Source as it could be merely coincidental?

But i think the broad themes of Paradise are worthy of debate.

We know that New Zealand Shooting Location is in area sourounded by a lot of water... and CGI could be added to change the appearance of the Atmosphere and so it would be interesting to see what Paradise Looks like eventually.

Maybe when the Trailers come out we can get a glimpse.

As Ridley said recently the most difficult thing is to get a good script once he has one like the Martian he can pick it up and run with a high degree of certainty.

Whoever decided (John Logan possibly) to use the original theme of a fallen Paradise but to present it in a more orthodox manner creating a legitimate reason for the incoming Covenant, gave the story its back bone and momentum.

It also lifts the franchise away from the over familiar. The ship may feel more grungy (echoing Alien) but for an A L I E N movie to be set on a pristine world with ruined temples and a fabulous "lost" civilisation pulls it toward the broader appeal of the Star Wars films.

In an sense it will also mean once the crew get inside the internals built in the studios in Sydney it will have a great artistic juxtaposition between primordial beauty and the gothic twisted horror they discover hidden inside.    

I would assume those themes had been in place prior to John Logan i would safely assume he was brought in because the draft they had was going for a lot of detail and history regarding the Engineers as the movie was stepping away from Alien....   i would assume after the interest that was showing for Alien 5, Fox have had a change of plan to now go back to cover the Alien connections more...

This essentially could be the same reason Lindeloff was brought in for Prometheus... Fox wanted to tone down the more direct Xenomorph connections for something a bit different and they tasked Lindeloff to tone down and change things to be less Alieny but still cover it in parts but to explore the other Plot Device which was the Engineers, to set up a Prologue movie of sorts to then further explore the Engineers.

If Paglen and Green Draft was a bit to complicated and had a lot of themes and elements but little as far as story telling and connections to Alien.... i think they wanted to disect some of the movie and cut down the Engineers a bit to explore the Xenomorph more and present it in a new movie that would cover in some parts what they was attempting but introduce the Xenomorph connections sooner rather than latter or if at all and they also wanted these changes to be built into a story that would flow better and so thats when John Logan was brought in to patch up the parts they wished to keep and wove it into a new fabric that connects to Alien more.

The Paradise Lost connections and themes are something i felt had been there for a while.

You do touch upon the interesting thing of while surely we may arrive at a place that is perhaps a Lost Civilization i think it would make sense that as they explore the ruins... they uncover a lot of Horrors.

I have a feeling these would be related to the Xenomorph and Evil Experiments that led to such a thing.....  i think as the Engineers are connected and Ridley has teased that in order to create such Evil Biology you have to be thinking what Race would create such a thing and so we could be getting seeds still of the Engineers involvement in some sinister Agenda.

We cant be 100% sure where they are going with this though, hopefully in time more clues would come to light but Fassbender says this movie has the scope of Prometheus but brings back the Horror or Alien.

So regarding this Topic....

We have to wander is Paradise merely as in the Biblical Garden of Eve, where it was a place that God (Gods) created so that a favored creation could dwell but there was a fall and who ever this place had been intended for had been kicked out of Paradise....   i think in context to Paradise the Greek side would take a back seat as the tale in Paradise Lost may hold more relevance.

They are going for this place being where the Engineers came from, this is interesting and so depends where we are supposed to look at the Engineers....

Gods? And so Paradise is the Proverbial Heaven

Or a Creation whom Paradise was meant for them... but after a Rebellion and Fall,  some where kicked out of Paradise and Punished.

Regardless i think as far as this Topics Agenda... which is to paint a picture of.

*What does Paradise Look like.... Now and in the Past

*What Purpose was Paradise before any Fall.

*What role did the Engineers play in Paradise

*Was Paradise intended in anyway for Mankind.

So it would be interesting to see how vast or small Civilization upon Paradise was.. how vast maybe was the Engineer Empire but i am not sure we would get much detail of this.

But certainly we would get clues to what state their culture is now.

I doubt the Engineers Homeworld ever became as Populated and Advanced as far as Mankinds over population and construction on Earth....

I would think they had pockets of small cultures like how across the South Americas we had various Ancient Cultures like Aztecs, Mayan and Olmec's.   And if we removed all history of modern mankind from those countries and all we have is the Ruined Remains of what was once those Cultures.

I think this is the Paradise we could arrive at... i dont think Paradise was heavily populated place by Millions...  i think having pockets of Ancient Settlements like Mayans, Incas, Aztecs had would fit the bill more.

And while these places may or may not be in good condition, i feel the Engineers on Paradise may have had Ancient Architecture look to their culture but within these Temples and Pyramids or indeed beneath them would hide a more Technological Advanced Culture and Horrors.

As far as what we would find as far as remains of any culture and appearance of Paradise i think the Production Crew could give us a few clues.

Geoff Kemmis, Wayne Haag, Evan Shipard and Nadezda Kuzmina are most likely the biggest inspirations to how we would get the look and feel of what Paradise is like.

Geoff Kemmis has designed some interesting sets and his previous work he deals a lot with Ancient Looking Buildings and Decor...

I think he is one of the key elements to the appearance of what ever the remains of Ancient Engineer Architecture is found and i would think no doubt he would be making the Models of such Ancient Ruins and Architecture and in particular interior designs and props.

Wayne Haag has done a variety of works, but i think some of his work in the past could fit into his work in this movie as he also has designed Ancient Looking sets both externally and internally and i would imagine him and Kemmis have worked very closely regarding the Alien Covenant sets... especially internally... as far as the interior look and feel.

Evan Shipard also has worked on designs of sets that could depict Ancient Ruins and Ancient Cultures but also he has worked on the designs and Matte Paintings for some very Jungle like Backdrops.

Nadezda Kuzmina (Nadia Mogilev) has done various work in the past, but some of her concept works are to design the look and feel of Jungle Landscapes and she did a lot of design work on Jungle Book.  I would think she and Shipard had worked together to give us the outer look of what this Paradise World looks like and what remains of Engineer Ruins lay under the undergrowth of Paradises Jungle Plant life.

So i think these 4 would play a role into maybe what we could see on Paradise...

I would assume we would be seeing something similar to the derelict and abandoned Ancient Mayan Civilizations that are in part lost beneath the overgrown Flora of the jungle terrain. But i think some Ancient Roman/Greek and Egyptian influences would play a part in the look and feel too.

Externally something like this with hint of Engineers designs to it...

Internally i think we would see a semi ruined look, but i would hope to have Murals, Carvings and Monuments dedicated to their fallen culture and other dealings.

And would this not be fantastic... seeing the Jungle overtake some of the Ruins.... or is this the Jungle or something else we have seen in the Franchise?

So whats everyone's thoughts and hopes for the look and feel of what ever remnants of the Engineers Fallen Civilization would they like to see?

From the spoilers it is clear their is going to a very strong connection with the elements introduced in Prometheus.

For me so the grand story moves forward i want the fact that he is reintroducing motif's from LV223 to lead to locking down some answers. The new story should make clear the relationship between LV223 and the Engineers Homeworld and whether Janek was correct.

On your point about the concept of a fallen Paradise. It has always been clear form the very beginning that Shaw and David would not find Paradise in the traditional sense but a live fallen wicked Engineer society where machines were used in a symbiotic way. (the matrix riff).

My point is that the concept of the Engineers being wicked has been retained but is now presented in an entirely different way. David was bringing hell, it will be interesting to see if that concept has been retained in any meaningful way. He was bringing hell to a live society now he is probably a catalyst for evolving hell out of a dead society.

The other intriguing elements is whether the Juggernaut that Elizabeth and David traveled to Paradise in has a role play to simply ignore it would be odd. 

BIG DAVE - What a fantastic presentation! The information you have provided really helps to place various elements where (I believe) they belong with relation to Prometheus! Thank you ever so much for taking the time to create this and share it with us! :)

I believe the changing of Paradise from Pandemonium to a Garden of Eden is tied too two matters :-

1) It increases the visual connection with the concept of Paradise Lost. To riff our notion of Paradise and show it was a disaster makes clear a very specific fall has occurred and shows there is a relative morality to the Engineers Story. So not only does it act as a draw to the Covenant Mission but it reinforces the notion of layers and a hierarchy.

2) The reason the Engineers were granted Paradise to live in is connected to their role as Intergalactic Gardeners. There role is a blessed one which begins in a place which is blessed. We will find that right was withdrawn when they began to move from the ordained path and rebelled. There are a number of places which could have taken the Paradise role but the pristine primordial beauty of New Zealand with its dense lush forests, soaring mountains and lakes coloured by glacial melt is a slam dunk and because of the narrowness of the South Island and lack of light refraction makes for a clarity for film photography which Ridley would have found utterly compelling. 

3) On a slightly tangental point I do not recall anyone mentioning  the elephant in the room conversation. Once the Covenant discover David they will know he is from the doomed Prometheus mission. Once again there is an opportunity for clarification on the meaning of LV223 in regard to Paradise. He will have to answer questions. What went wrong what did you find and even more intriguingly if their are W-Y on board who have seen the Prometheus Black Box material what precisely did you find and what happened to Shaw. There is a chance in that dialogue to really give the Prometheus incident some really clarity.    

Indeed i think its going to be interesting to see exactly what role Paradise plays.... but we also have to consider that we cant expect to have a literal Greek/Biblical connection.

We have Heaven (Place of Gods) above the Earth, we have Paradise/Garden which is a place upon the Earth but then in some clues its a place separate to Earth/Heaven and then we have Hell which in some ways is connected to under the Earth and in other a separate place.

The source hinted that these places exist within context but not in the way the Bible teaches...  and refer to how Paradise is actually far away from Earth in context to the Movie.

The whole Franchise Plot is very ambiguous and broad that its hard to actually come up with a definitive answer to what Paradise and LV-223 are but i think we are to not directly consider them as per context of the Bible.

So there are many ways these can be explored...   and maybe Paradise is to not be considered as Heaven where God the creator came from....  but actually was the Garden of Eden... or was LV-223 the Garden?  its pretty much open.

We have to ask if we look at the context of Paradise Lost then we have a sub-creation of a Higher God/Gods who was the Angels and some of these rebelled against the will of the Hierarchy.

There was a War Between these Factions of Angels... the Fallen Lost and where expelled from Heaven...  we have to ask in context to Prometheus Plot... which Faction gained the upper hand....  was one Faction kicked to LV-223 and the other remained on Paradise?  And what happened to those on Paradise... was the War Really over?

So we cant go 100% literally what the Paradise Lost or Bible shows us...   We cant be sure if in context is Paradise the place of the un-fallen and LV-223 the place of the Fallen and thus Hell?

Another thing is who are the Good guys?  And is who are the Good guys in context to the Engineers actually the Good guys in context to us?

If we take the stance of Animal Rights protestors demonstrating against the Testing on Animals and Slaughter Houses to allow Animals to be used as Food....  and the disruptive behavior and violence and vandalism of the protestors against those who run the Slaughter Houses etc...

So in context to us.... is eating a Chicken, having a Steak or a Lamb Roast seen as a Malevolent Act by us? Are we Evil for doing this and the Protestors Benevolent?

in context to the Animals its not a Benevolent Agenda we have for them..... But in context to mankind there Sacrifice is required for us and after all they are merely Animals and are in no way as Advanced a Organism as Mankind why should we consider the feelings of animals or if they have souls.

And so the Engineers Agenda could be like this.... When Ridley says they are not Benevolent do they mean as far as how we would see them?

A lot has changed as far as maybe how they are portrayed, the Elders Scene seemed to show a Benevolent Race who performed a Benevolent Act... Ridley said the LV-223 where like Fallen of their kind....   The Space Jockey had been considered doing a Benevolent Act.

But Benevolent to only his own kind?  

As Ridley is going the route now that these Engineers are not nice and asking what mindset creates such Evil Biology... which now paints the Space Jockey as not so Benevolent after all.

As far as the Elephant in the Room.

This depends on how much the Covenant Crew or someone on board actually knows about David 8 and Prometheus... surely if they or someone knew then they would be more cautious but this depends on if the few in the know or those in the know who sent the Ship... would actually let the crew know what they are in for.... pretty much the same as the Nostomo crew did not... apart from ASH.

Another thing we have to consider is David... there is not just one David 8... there could be hundreds, or thousands that have gone into various service.

So a lot depends on how much they or even one of the crew know about David or the Engineers.... if they are not aware they would be surprised to find David and then to find evidence that this Paradise World once had inhabitants from the Ancient Past.

In order for the Plot to evolve and advance... David would narrate what had happened but in a way that would not make the crew want to pack up and leave... unless some Sabotage prevents them from doing so.

David must react in a way to be persuasive to the crew unless someone else on board is on the same page with David.

@ Something Real

No problem its a pleasure.... and i am looking forwards to seeing what remains of Engineers Civilization on Paradise.  What state is it found in by the Covenant Crew.

And we have to ask what state was it in when David arrived... i hope we see Ancient Ruins and Buildings that are abandoned but not in to bad a shape....

And what the Covenant crew then think they have stumbled upon a lost Ancient Civilization, they eventually find out was not so Ancient as far as Technology and upon deeper investigating or events they find out they was dealing with a Ancient Technological Advanced Race who had traversed the Galaxy and created such Horrors and that David was aware of this all along.

BIG DAVE -  I could not agree more with you! I, too, am greatly excited to see the visual direction in which Paradise will travel! :)

@BD

Art is about communication and if Ridley wants to get across the point to a English speaking Western Audience that the place the Engineers inhabited and which the Covenant is drawn is a Paradise then what better way to do that than to show a fertile pristine planet. 

That does not for one minute indicate that Ridley is following the bible story either directly or allegorically and I never said that, there will as I have said elsewhere be applicability a different thing. I find you increasingly taking the straw man approach in your replies arguing with an idea that I have actually never made. Mine is a simple one about visual artistic choices to make a general point, whilst seeing why the original dark world of Pandemonium, a "lost" world, has been let go off in favour a world that a group of innocent colonists would be interested in. 

On to the point about there being thousands of Davids. You can knock me down with a feather if they do not use the inherent drama that someone will draw out the truth about David whilst not revealing their foreknowledge to either David or the wider crew of innocents. Someone always travels in these movies with more knowledge than others and to not make the link with Prometheus when the visuals are brimming with references and Covenant flows naturally from Prometheus just makes no sense to me. I am astonished you cannot see the potential logic and instead argue that David is just another David. So this is a ship with a David on board who've no idea of the famous David who accompanied Sir Peter Weyland hmmm sorry thats just not credible.  

I think now its time to let this all move along until next August when we will find our answers as to how Ridley found his.

" I find you increasingly taking the straw man approach in your replies arguing with an idea that I have actually never made."

Michelle i am sorry if you interpreted anything i said as being argumentative over anything and i never even thought you was implying anything.... must just be getting our wires crossed maybe with how i write stuff but its not my intention at all.

i am not suggesting anything really i am just putting out a few possible things.

When i Highlight or use Capitals its not as a rant or aggressive point its to highlight a key point of the topic.

I will tackle your points one at a time.... firstly the Biblical and Paradise links... i am not trying to suggest that you ever suggested this was what you thought, i was pointing out potentially how much or less these things would be used, i think they are going to touch upon these things but not to expect anything to literal. i will make my next post about how a literal connection would maybe fit... and how i cant see them going this route.

As far as the 1000's of Davids again i was not making this as a point that this is what must be... i agree with pretty much everything you have pointed out.

The movies so far have always had hidden motives and objectives that are usually the Agenda of someone working for the Company that the Crew of the Ships in the Franchise are unaware of.

My point with David was not to suggest that the Covenant Crew would not know who he is.... that is a possibility.  I was just saying  that it is factual regarding the Franchise that many David 8's would be in service and so i think the way the Synopsis is and how the potential plot could move on, i dont think everyone on that Ship would be aware of WHO the David they meet is... maybe they do?  But i dont think most of the crew would be expecting to find that David.

But thats no Fact, we dont know how much or little the Covenant Crew know about this World they are going to, so my point was just to mention a lot depends on how much the Crew know.....

And so as you said, and i fully agree.... surely someone who commisioned the Covenant Mission must know about the fate of Prometheus... when Weyland-Yutani Merge there has to be some people within the company who have some knowledge of the mission... we have to wonder would they had sent a search party or probe to the area...   And one that would make sense would be to have it primarily Synthetics.. but we dont know if this has ever been the case in the Franchise.

But you can surely bet your bottom dollar (as your feather comment) that its not by pure coincidence the Covenant turns up at the same place David 8 is at.

So if i bullet point my points maybe it comes across better to understand and not get misunderstood.

And we really dont know yet which of this apply, but surely to a degree some have to.

*The Covenant is primarily a Colony Ship,  we have to wander are they aware of what Paradise was or do they just think its a Earth like World with no in-habitants.  I would say they are not aware just as the Hadleys Hope Colonists when they first set up that outpost must not have known about the Derelict or what ever the company knew at that point included Special Order 937

*These Colonists would know what a David is, and maybe they have a advanced version on board, i cant see  the way David is advertised as being widely used that they would not recognize what a David is, and if there is a Doppelganger on the Covenant then they surely would not be like.... does that crew member not look awfully like those Weyland Robots....

*So when they find David 8 from Prometheus,  we dont know if they would know he was from Prometheus maybe if he is wearing the same suits with a Badge they would soon know. But this leads to one of two things.

1) They find a David Robot and right then they would wander how the Hell did this Robot get there and why and when, and why is he alone....  this assumes the Crew are not aware of finding any Davids prior to arriving...

2) If they have knowledge of Prometheus even in the slightest as far as it was a lost mission... no soon as they discover a David robot with he Prometheus insignia they are going to have Questions to how did he end up there.

So my point was just maybe wandering if the majority of the Covenant Crew was aware of.

*They knew they would find David on Paradise prior to arriving i.e did he give them the co-ordinates. or prior to leaving did the crew know that they was going to Paradise because its a place that they had already discovered and gained intel from a Synthetic?

*They was aware of the Doomed Prometheus mission and what the intentions of the Mission was, and i think the more they know then surely the more cautious they would have been....   Pretty much like if the Nostomo Crew was aware of the Prometheus mission and more about the Derelict... they would surely not have set foot down there.

So my point was not saying it as fact, but that maybe have to ask would the Crew of the Covenant as soon as they find David know fully what David he was i.e Mr Weylands and Prometheus one?  Or not?

I think they would know what a David Synthetic was and would have many questions to what one was doing on Paradise.

These points are valid only as far as the Majority....

It does not mean that someone onboard had more knowledge pretty much like ASH in Alien... it would as you said Michelle make sense that someone on the mission or at least someone who sent it to Paradise was aware of David being there.

The Question is how much do they know?

It surely cant be by pure Coincidence that they end up at Paradise... maybe for the Colonists it may seem that way in which case they would start to have Questions.... But i fully agree that its unlikely the ship left from its destination and just happened to by Pot Luck arrive at the same place that David 8 was at.

So i am kind of thinking the majority of the crew would not arrive and find David 8 and be thinking... "oh my thats David from Prometheus, where is Dr Shaw?"  As this would mean they maybe knew of Shaws SOS which would then make a group on Colonists Suspicious and with people Suspicious and in the know... then there is no real logical plot to get to us having Hell Unleashed....

Like Prometheus if the crew knew fully the Dangers of LV-223 they would not have set foot into those temples... if they did it would be even more silly than Milburn and the Space Cobra.

Onto the Paradise Connections.

Paradise in context to the Covenant Crew i believe is just for the most part that they think they are off to a location detected as being a Earth 2 kind of World where they can set up a Colony where the conditions are perfect with no need to Tera-form they have essentially located a Earth like Paradise.

I think for the most part this is the intel the Colonists have.. but no doubt in Franchise Tradition someone is on board who knows a little more than that.

Paradise in context to the Engineers, is the Place that the Engineers from LV-223 had came from prior to LV-223 this does not have to mean Paradise is where they originated from or who ever created the Engineers.

The purpose of this Topic was to suggest what Paradise Looks like,  and in what state was the Civilization on this World in the past compared to as of when the Covenant crew arrive.

We dont know how populated the Engineer Race was, did they at there prime number in 100's or 1000's or Millions.  And its just interesting to debate how many once thrived on Paradise.

Paradise in context to the Engineers is hinted at being a place they had once in-inhabited maybe even the Base from where they had set off seeding the Galaxy as we saw in the opening Sacrificial Scene.

Paradise in context to the Biblical theme, comes down to being a place of tranquil beauty a Paradise Land created by God, where he then created many things to live on this wonderful world... where he created Mankind to then live on this World and tend to the Crops, Plants and Animals. 

Paradise is also guarded by and watched over by Angels. And so within context to the Bible its not the place of God, but a place created by God.

So we have Paradise as in context of the Engineers and Prometheus Plot that maybe points to this Paradise World as a kind of Homeworld to the Engineers and maybe their Hierarchy and so a place where the Gods Dwell...

In context to Biblical and Paradise Lost, Paradise is a World Created so that God/Gods can populate with their creation and task their lower caste Gods/Angels with watching over this land and its inhabitants.

I think what we would actually see is maybe a combination of both of these...

I dont think we are getting a literal retell of the Biblical Paradise or Paradise Lost but some themes to be explored loosely.....  pretty much like how Prometheus was not 100% a literal re-telling of the Greek Prometheus Mythos.

So its going to be interesting in which context they play this.

The Literal Paradise Lost tale, which is what i think they are going for loosely rather than the Bible...

Tells the tale of a God (who can become Gods or higher Hiearchy in context to the movie) who had a sub-creation in their image... a lower caste Angels.... if you would.

There was a reason for these to be created, various reasons which maybe we wont be going into or maybe they can add a spin on it (Sinister Agenda?)  but in context to Paradise Lost these lower caste beings the Angels serve their God, they are created in his image and for Thousands of years this was the way.

Of all those Angels (lower caste/Hierarchy) there was Lucifer who was created as Perfect in every way, it appears Lucifer was created so Perfect and maybe had more freewill compared to his other brothers.... that he started to see himself as equal to God, and could not see what made God anything special over himself or his brothers.

They would serve under Gods rules, and Lucifer would see this as a Tyrany a Dictatorship, Lucifer saw a better life for himself and his brothers than obeying Gods will and living by his commandments and rules.... Lucifer saw that breaking from the constraints of Gods Rules... meant there was a lot more to Life than they had, there was a lot of pleasure to be had in life and a more for filling life than to stick to Gods command..

Picture the 10 Commandments and how limited modern life would be to stick to those 100%   So Lucifer not only saw himself as being equal to God, he saw that the Laws of God limited the freedom that the Angels could have.

He influenced others to see the same light that he had, and he arranged a rebellion against God... which became a War which Lucifer Lost and was then cast out of Heaven with his followers and they was Punished for their Rebellion.

God decided to start a-new and create Mankind, he created Man and latter Woman, they would serve under God and his rule and tend to his Paradise World he had created for them.  Mankind would see God as all powerful and never question his Rules.... God gave Man a set of Rules, and one of those was to not Eat from the Tree of Knowledge as doing so would lead to Death.

Lucifer now Satan, was jelious that he failed to overthrow God and now God had created a new Creation and Lucifer was made to Worship and serve this Creation... Lucifer saw himself as greater than Mankind.

Satan set out to corrupt Mankind as he had corrupted a 3rd of Gods Angels.... maybe he felt that Mankind should also not live under Gods Rules and Tyranny and so he tricked Mankind to Eat from the Tree of Knowledge...

This opened Mankinds Eyes, it was forbiden knowledge that would corrupt Mankind that without this knowledge Mankind would never question Gods will.... with this knowledge Mankind would be aware of pleasures that are forbidden by God... Mankind was not Fallen and like Satan was kicked out of Paradise.

I think we would not get a literal retelling of this... i think they can show us that Adam and Eve could be replaced by a Race related to Mankind on Paradise... who maybe then get kicked out...

It could replace the Paradise Lost Adam and Eve with the Engineers who knows..

I think certainly some of the broad stokes are to be covered... of which Creating a Life to serve in a certain way and see their creator as Master but then allowing there creation free will or somehow they gain knowledge that makes them question why they need serve their creator... so they Rebel and get punished for this.  i think this theme could carry onto the next creation.. maybe created to replace the Engineers, and maybe the Engineers or a few corrupt this new creation so they become rebellious too.

I think Creator/Creation Rebellion and Punishment is key and how knowledge and freewill leads to this rebellion.

I think that eventually the Xenomorph could tie in with Punishment in some way.

But then we dont know how close to the Paradise Lost plot they are going....  there could be some sinister Agenda at play.... some role these Engineers was created for, that they maybe rebelled against and maybe this role is not as the role of the Igigi in the Annunaki Tale... Basically Slaves to Mine Gold for the Agenda and cause of the Gods... then rebel against this work and Mankind is created in their place to bear the same toil...

I dont think Creation is in the way of the Bible, but would be shown to be for some purpose like the Annunaki Tale but much darker than simply to Toil and Mine for Gold.

So it would be interesting to see how it all fits in.

Paradise Lost holds a few key themes... depends if we look in context of Mankind or Angels.

There was a Hierarchy of Godlike beings... and a sub-creation lower caste,  a rebellion had occurred within the society which led to a War, which lead to the rebellious Faction being Punished and Exiled from the abode of the Hierarchy.  

There was a Race created by Godlike beings who was given a place to dwell and to obey the rules of their creator,  but these beings had started to not see their creators rules and laws and obeyed them.... for some purpose they became corrupt and acted or did things against the rules of God...

They was exiled from the Paradise created for them, and would suffer Punishment in future for their Rebellion and Fall.

These are the TWO themes in relation to the Movie that must be followed, we dont know which one or both and how they would fit in.

We can only assume and have no 100% knowledge yet of

*Why the Hierarchy Create Life and the Agenda

*What caused the Rebelion

*Whom was Paradise For and who got expelled (Engineers, Mankind or some other link in the chain).

*What was the Punishment, and to whom.

A key element would seem to be Creating Life in your own image and to be careful how much Knowledge and Freewill they are given... because to much and they would not see themselves as lower caste to the creator and would even question why they have to serve under the rules and why they cant be free.

David 8 gives us a clue to this as does other movies where AI gets out of control and has its own Free Will and Rebels against its creators...

David 8 has shown signs of being very intelligent and this can be dangerous unless there are Software Protocols in place to prevent certain actions and thoughts of the AI.

Its fear that could happen to us one day.... if we evolve AI to the Level is sees its self as self-aware and has emotion and feelings and then it would not see itself as a glorified Toaster who's only existence is to serve mankind and live by a set of Does and Donts a Rule Book so to speak.

I think being allowed greater knowledge has its drawbacks... and the above theme... and analogy is what Lucifer had Satan was basically evolved to have access to knowledge that made him question why should he serve his creator what makes his creator so special and why live by the restraints of his creators laws....

Satan had tricked Mankind (Adam and Eve) to eat from and then be given Knowledge that also would then give Mankind the same kinds of thoughts.....

We see this with David 8 too... and its something that could happen in real life once AI is allowed to evolve in such a way.

Prometheus fits in too, as for him giving Mankind Knowledge and Technology that God had not intended for us to have.

And another theme is thus, having such knowledge or stealing it leads to Punishment.. the creator must put a stop to its rebellious creation...

And that sometimes messing with Knowledge that was not intended for your use... can lead to dire consequences.

@Michelle

I will attempt to address maybe where we could be getting our wires crossed and i apologize if sometimes i do seem to come across with points as if it may interpreted as i am pushing my point across above any one elses theories.

Thats not my intention and i like to take on board and look at others theories and thats all we really have really is a collection of theories and with mine they do evolve and i dont have a set in stone one theory for everything because of the whole ambigious nature of the Clues and Comments we cant draw any solid conclusions, thats in part the beauty of the evolution of the History to the Space Jockey and Alien they have decided to explore but its also a cause for some problems as its a process that even with those in charge seems to be changing from time to time... i certainly hope they finally have a A-Z idea of what they plan to show us even if we dont get A-Z as long as they had a A-Z and can show us which ever parts of that process that fits together and makes clear sense.

So i can understand to a degree where the Straw Man comment came from, i was not really aware of what that 100% meant lol but after looking it up i can see what you mean and i apologies for it.

Grammar and deep English concepts are not my strong point as i am some what a bit dyslexic. And so the way i relay words and paragraphs may get interpreted wrongly.

As far as "That does not for one minute indicate that Ridley is following the bible story either directly or allegorically and I never said that"

I really hope i never came across to suggest that, again my English Grammer is not great and so i think what you mean is that it may seemed like i was hinting that the path Ridley was taking us was the Biblical and Paradise Lost route... and that your ideas follow this...  i did not mean this as in directly and literally.

We dont know how deep the connection is... it could be completely nothing to do with it... and i admit i am draw to try and make some literally connections that may guide my theories but again i could be completely going way off because of trying to make literal connections.

Prometheus Mythos was one... when i watched Prometheus and tried to fit the Mythos in i found a lot of connections, this does not mean my theories and connections are in anyway correct.. its just how i concluded from clues and trying to patch in the Prometheus Mythos to some degree... which is when i looked at the Fresco and it reminded me more of the stance and position of the one Prometheus Punishment painting.. which i used as a clue, but it may not have been a clue or in anyway connected.... but its just how i saw it and it kind of fitted... i.e the Fresco was a Punishment sent to the Engineers for the use of Forbidden knowledge and passing it on to us and the Engineer was to endure Punishment that was related to the Xenomorph.... instead of the Eagle.

Ridley had constantly teased us with Biblical connections so he is to blame lol..... but we dont know how much of these comments to consider.. but i dont think he is completely making it up... i think there is meant to be a connection.... just not in a literal sense.

Some interpreted the Deacon Mural as Jesus from Ridleys comments or even that the Engineers wanted to destroy is 2000 years ago because we killed Jesus... i always felt that Ridley was using this roughly.... to show us that Mankind had become in a way rebellious and acting in ways against the Engineers plans and intentions... they may have tried to interact and set us back on track but we continued to rebel and maybe even killed a Emissary who was sent down to try and sort us out...

As i have believed and said from day one... the whole Plot is not to sugest that the Engineers etc are God... but that the Engineers and their Antics are what Ancient Mankind then interpreted as God...  Its not saying yes there is a God as in the Bible and he and his Angels are the Engineers.

Its saying that in context of the Franchise... that actually there is not Biblical God or those other Ancient Gods.. there are these Ancient Engineers and their Hierarchy and Agenda and there interaction with Mankind had led to tales that evolved into the various Religions and Mythos.