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Sep-21-2016 3:47 PM

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DorkiDori

Sep-21-2016 5:51 PM

heres a few i found via google...

 





Facehuggers

Sep-21-2016 5:54 PM

@DorkiDori

Ah thank you! Insightful!

DorkiDori

Sep-21-2016 6:32 PM

Also a great article on the Trilobite and Deacon...

https://monsterlegacy.net/2013/03/04/prometheus-horrors-trilobite-deacon/

BigDave

Sep-22-2016 8:39 AM

Thanks for the posts... very interesting read DorkiDori

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Thoughts_Dreams

Sep-28-2016 7:47 AM

“A lot of that push came from the studio very high up,” Spaihts elaborated. “They were interested in doing something original and not one more franchise film. That really came to a head at the studio – the major push to focus on the new mythology of Prometheus and dial the Aliens as far back as we could came down from the studio..."

 

In other words (if this is correct) the studio messed it up, Congrats fuckers. Thanks facehuggers! for posting this.

Patient Leech

Sep-28-2016 8:45 AM

I love the ending scene with the deacon also. Thumbs up to this thread.

BigDave

Sep-28-2016 8:46 AM

Indeed Thoughts_Dreams..

The studio had pushed for changes, it was reported that Prometheus was intended as a more closer Prequel and by that it does not mean so much events had to directly lead to Alien... but it would show a more clearer link between the Xeno and Space Jockey and why..... which was that these Space Jockeys who are revealed as Engineers had indeed been experimenting with the creation of the Perfect Biological Warfare.

Then came Spaights draft which was based on this and loosely connected directly to Alien (but with inconsistencies) Ridley liked the draft, he wanted to answer the Questions of why the Space Jockey had that Cargo, what was the purpose of the cargo and evolved the connection between the Space Jockey and Cargo as well as adding to the Space Jockey a back story.

Fox felt maybe the Back Story given for the Space Jockeys was something new and fresh, as we already had seen the Xeno done over and over... and while a movie to show us the Origins or reasons for the Xeno was on the Cards... they felt that the other part of the tale and that the Engineers are the Space Jockey and they created Mankind, as well as other races and they are Genetic Engineers who dable in not only creation of various forms of Life.. but also experiments that are used as Bio-Weapons...  So the studio decided to explore this and show us seeds of these Engineers experiments had some connection to the Xeno without having to go and show a full Xeno movie or a direct prequel.

I felt it was a interesting idea... but it was not done well enough, it had flaws... and ultimately for a lot of Fans it never gave them the answers they wanted...

Seems FOX after originally going to give  a few more clues but expand on the Engineers... had once again done a U-Turn and now want to go back to a more Spaights giving direct Alien answers route.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Sep-28-2016 8:54 AM

The Deacon was interesting.... yes it never looked scary... but then its a Human/Hybrid and its part Mammal and if we look at new born Mammals then do we see anything Scary?

Is a Tiger/Lion Cub Scary? Is a Bear Cub? are Wolf or Rottweiler Pups?

And so is a new born Baby Scary too..... Nope... but then look at say Leather Face Serial Killer from the Chainsaw Massacre movies or Mike Tyson in his hayday and in a bad mood... are these scary?   And Adult Lion/Wolf and Bear when angry?

You bet ya!

And so there was a lot for the Deacon to grow and develop and a Adult Deacon if it grows at the % a Mammal does would have been a 16-18 Foot Tall Nightmare....

It was considered to have Feminine DNA and as its a Mammal so to speak... it would not be a Egg Layer....  But as it has Xeno DNA too..

We could imagine a few horrific ways it could procreate.  i am thinking either Egg Morph.... or well imagine what Sil/Eve was like from Species movies only being stalked down for the same purpose by a 16-18 Foot Deacon

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

Thoughts_Dreams

Sep-28-2016 1:26 PM

Big Dave:

 

 

I think that it would have been better if it would have been closer to Alien. I don't think that Prometheus really had to end up with Alien (1979) just that it would be closer linked to it. The Engineers should have been made more menacing and have a clearer connection to the Xeno. The Engineers are not un-interesting it is just that it was a missed opportunity that they (1. Fox and 2. Ridley) messed up.

 

The Engineers are interesting because of the Xeno-connection and their eventual ability to make more monsters (bio-warfare).

 

Maybe Spaight's draft was inconsistent in places but it was a lot better then what was the final movie.

 

New things are not wrong per se but I think that Fox focused too much on the Engineers and too little on the Xenos which made the connection vague and the movie less meaningful. The Xeno is an important part about the Engineers so to tone down that important connection was very bad.

 

I guess that the Engineer was a new route but that doesn't men that the connection to the Xeno should be ignored or toned down much. This is not to say that they should totally ignore the Engineers but give the Xeno and various biological kinds of warfare (created by the Engineers or where the Engineers have a role) a much bigger role because the bio-weapons (Xenos) is the reason why they were talking about a prequel anyways since it really started with Alien (1979).

 

As far as the connection between the Engineers and mankind, I am not primarily interested in it although they can have that in the background. The idea could work but it depends on how it will be done in the movie(s) – but I would like them to focus on the monsters and the Engineers although the human characters (that we are hopefully supposed to connect to) are those that should be the most important, the Engineers, the monsters, and the landscapes should come after that.

 

Showing more of the Engineers could have been alright compared to the fact that we just had seen the Engineer as a dead Space Jockey before but they took it too far and to make matters worse they didn't give subtitles when they spoke with the Engineer.

 

The various forms of life that the Engineers sowed didn't make sense to me because they didn't explain that well how they did that and why only that he disintegrated in the water (if we talk about the opening scene). I think that they should have had some dialogue that gave some clues to why they seed life and their purpose of it otherwise it is just: yeah, OK, so? My point is that the intro scene wasn't very good and should have been explained a lot better - a little bit of dialogue would have helped. Why they didn't have any dialogue is beyond me. Eventually they had a different opening but it got cut, if they would have saved that and had some dialogue it would have been so much better or was that some Lindeloffian mystery writing that took over? As far as the Xeno connection they wouldn't have had to make a pure Xeno movie but they should have expanded on the role of it but the studio messed it up.

 

No they didn't answer that much with the movie, at least not in a good way. I understand the movie a bit better now when I have watched it many times and have read about it. We all learn at a different pace so I have watched the movie many times but there are probably still things that I need to understand better or things that I have missed. The first scene I think about when I think about the movie is the stupid scene with Milburn and Fifield, sorry but I can't help it, it is too stupid for words.

 

As far as AC is concerned I am glad that they are going more into the direction that Spaights intended to do. This doesn't mean that all answers need to be obvious but it hopefully means better characters that don't make stupid decisions and that are better written. I hope that it won't be Lindelof characters if it was his idea to write the characters in a way that made them stupid and unlikable. Even though that might not have been his intention his writing made the characters worse. As you can see I don't want to lay all the blame on Lindelof but he didn't made things better.

 

BigDave

Oct-01-2016 9:10 AM

Yes your very right in your comments and you reflect a majority of people who saw the movie and simply did not get it not to the way they intended and found it was to confusing.

And if you consider people who saw it who had never seen Alien or never knew it was a Alien movie, or had only seen Alien once or twice.... these people would find a very confusing and odd movie that never made sense.

They would be left wandering.... what was this, where was this going... as the only way it made any sense is if you was aware this movie links to Alien.

And that link was not so good, it was a movie where you would need some knowledge of Alien and look out for clues in order to start making connections... and then it would take a number of views...

But to some its to much hard work and time investment and then those who do take time can find it does not provide the answers or connections......

Its when you look at the deleted scenes, read the drafts and reference to other comments made about the Franchise by Ridley and Giger and others and read Star Beast

Then its easier to make connections... but what % of people  have knowledge of such Sources to get more information

MOST PEOPLE

Will  just want to watch the movie and get enough clues from a single watch to start to make connections.... and then watch it again to solidify those connections..

This is where Prometheus Fails..

And i think its where Alien Covenant will make it more straight forwards

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Oct-01-2016 9:19 AM

As far as the opening Scene..... again the clues are all the way in the movie.....

Engineers = Who Ancient Mankind had seen and interpreted as Gods.... they created us.

The Method was shown that it was via Engineer Sacrifice who the building blocks of life began... or the catalyst that kick started basic life to advance to complex.

Spaights draft made it more detailed.... his draft however seemed to show it was a direct connection of the Sacrifice that Evolved Primates to Humans....  it does not prove or disprove that LIFE started due to the Engineers on Earth.  Just that Engineers manipulated DNA Pool to evolve Primates to Humans....

His draft was flawed however... as we have to ask how many Nano-Scarabs had consumed the Engineers DNA and did they all just fly away and only effect Primates?  Why dont we get Engineer/Reptile Hybrids or Engineer/Birds and thus Reptile Humans like V LOL

Lindeloff went the route to change it back further in time and the Engineer Sacrifice either led to the building blocks that started life or (due to World having Plant Life) the event to evolve basic life to complex.

The Rosetta probe mission to study Comet 67P ended today and its mission in part was to detect and also found some evidence of building blocks of life was found on the comment to SUPPORT THE THEORY that maybe a Comet or Comets had crashed on Earth to provide it with the Building Blocks of Life.

Well Prometheus aim was to show it was the Engineers Sacrifice that did this

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Oct-01-2016 9:25 AM

Ultimately the Scope was to show us there was more to the Space Jockey, the Space Jockey was a Ancient Humanoid Race who are Genetic Space Gardner's who had created and manipulated Life on Earth.... they was seen as our Gods and its the interaction between them and us that led to all the Ancient Cultures and Religions and their Gods.

However something happened and they decided to want to destroy Mankind.....

The Xenomorph was merely just a means to do that...

its like doing a movie based on Mankinds creation of the Atomic Bomb and giving us clues to how Atomic Energy can be used for other purposes.....

There is more to Mankinds History than the creation of the Nuke, and potential use of the Power to be used as our Energy requirements and eventually power Space Ships.

This is just one Small Part of Mankind..... there is more..

And so there was more to the Space Jockey (Engineers) than the Xenomorph and related Bio-Weapons on LV-223 and they decided to give us some clues to these Bio-Weapons but aimed to explore more of the Engineers than just the purpose and creation of one of their Bio-Weapons...

But this is something fans was not interested in, not as much as finding out HOW/WHEN and WHY as far as the Xenomorph and sadly Prometheus did not do this enough.

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

BigDave

Oct-01-2016 9:48 AM

I think the biggest disappointment for the Engineers was just their Size....

The idea and concept was 15ft tall, that was revised to 10-12ft but we ultimately never got that... what we was left with was 8-9ft tops looking Humanoids... and its not the look just the size really.

Prometheus tried to show us these guys play a role in the Ancient Mankinds interpretations of God, but they are more like Angels than God and some had Fallen to be Fallen Angels... 

There was a lot of interesting ideas, the Elder scene showed a great sense of purpose for the Sacrifice for the greater cause.

The LV-223 Engineer seemed intrigged and suprised to see Humans and Especially Shaw, its only when he saw that Old Man Weyland was running the show and only his Agenda mattered and then this Old Man wanted more Life and had even sub-created...   The Engineer Realized Mankind had not changed and they are a threat to the Galaxy and so had to be Stopped.

The other scene when he found Shaw, showed the Engineer was surprised and took a interest not only in the Violin Girl but also finding Books (maybe Bible) in Vickers Lifeboat.

These were all cut 

It seemed they wanted to portray he Engineers in a lesser role and reveal a more sinister Agenda.

I think Ridley and Fox realized that instead of showing the Engineers as a Race with their Elders who created Life for a Benevolent reason but then something we had done had meant we was not for-filling the role they intended, or we was not sub servant and posed a threat.... so we had to be destroyed.

They went back to the Question of the Space Jockey.... he was portrayed as being a Pilot of a Cargo Ship that had a Deadly Cargo and they had played a role in its creation.

And so we then had to ask...... WHAT RACE WOULD GO TO SUCH LENGTHS TO CREATE SUCH A HORRIFIC BIO-WEAPON?

Is this really something a Benevolent Race would create? a Race that seemed to be shown as Benevolently creating via Sacrifice the seeds to Life.... to then create something so Evil? and so Destructive?

And so i feel this is where they have had a changed of plan with the Engineers etc..... maybe these beings are Wicked and Evil instead?

But it does not have to be that way..... back to the Atomic Bomb..... The USA are portrayed as the Peace Keepers the Good Guys..... and the NUKE was created and used as a means to Put a End to War, to bring Peace....  a Necessary Evil to Protect a Population

The Nuke was not created by the USA, the Origins of this was not their doing but they simply Evolved the Process and then used it...

Once the Genie was let out of the Bottle however...  while it was used for PROTECTION.... and then as a means for useful Benevolent ways to provide clean energy.... Atomic Power is still something Dangerous in the Wrong hands...

Accidents or Disasters can lead to Fatal Consequences such as the Fukishima Disaster......  there is the worry that certain factions pursuit of Nuclear Energy could be used instead for non-benevolent reasons...

And so yes we can make a connection to Nuclear Power and the Engineers Black Goo and Sacrificial Goo...

In Good hands, one can create/evolve life... (create clean and efficient energy). In hostile hands or by accidents it can destroy life.....   So they are similar.... Nukes and Goo!

 

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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