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The Covenant

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David 7

Jun-21-2016 11:03 AM

After seeing several set pieces like the explosion of the set in New Zealand and several internal shots that we have been seeing, I am coming to a conclusion, a theory that is The Covenant has a dropship for the landing party perhaps and the main ship remains in orbit. Or does not. I was glancing at some Ron Cobb art and saw a few designs that resembled part of the set in New Zealand. Just thinking about the ship and designs...

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Lone

Jun-21-2016 12:25 PM

I think the size of this ship points to it being a shuttle/drop-ship, rather than the Covenant.

Lots of the design elements for the Prometheus were based on many of Ron Cobb's [unused] Alien designs.

This Bridge Design-

This Autodoc Design-

It would appear that just as with Prometheus, Ridley may be going back to elements of Cobbs work, especially for the older Covenant class ship.

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

David 7

Jun-21-2016 12:45 PM

I must agree. This must be the bridge of the dropship that takes the survey team down to the planet surface. I was just looking at Ron Cobb;s designs in the Alien:Vault Book and I saw similar designs in the picture with Danny McBride with the design of the bridge. It would make sense to have a small ship to take a team down to the surface and a command ship with the rest of the crew. 

Thoughts_Dreams

Jun-21-2016 12:48 PM

Didn't they have a bigger ship in space while taking a smaller one when they went down to Hadleys Hope (Aliens)? This reminds me of Aliens for some reason.

David 7

Jun-21-2016 12:50 PM

In Aliens they had the "Sulaco" and then arrived on the planet in a tactical fighter drop ship. I believe the ship here for their landing will be bigger and not tactical but a ship that is design for geological purposes for planet survey, 

Lone

Jun-21-2016 12:52 PM

...and these are Ron Cobb's designs for the ALIENS Dropship [and APC] 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Thoughts_Dreams

Jun-21-2016 12:53 PM

David007: That makes sense that it will be another ship since it isn't a military mission.

David 7

Jun-21-2016 12:57 PM

It is an observation that this ship is designed as a colony establishment ship. If the planet can not be colonized why take the whole ship and down and endanger the who crew? I am going with the drop ship theory that is used for the geological and science crew to go and land, inspect the place and then give the thumbs up. I am also think that being that this a large crew, a bigger ship will be needed as this ship I would assume spends plenty of time out in space going to planets that the company has compiled for them to go to. 

S.M

Jun-21-2016 3:08 PM

Ron may have done the construction drawings for the dropship but it was James Cameron's design.

 

As for Covenant - looks like a simple location prop that will be digitally extended into a much larger ship.  Like how they had the practical hangar in Prometheus but the rest of the ship was CG.

Centauri

Jun-21-2016 9:59 PM

neat

 

 

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 "Must be something we haven't seen yet.."__Bishop

http://www.alien-covenant.com/series/

            

S.M

Jun-21-2016 10:39 PM

The seat and autodoc pictures above look just like from Alien.  The seats don't look anything like the ones in McBride picture.

BigDave

Jun-23-2016 9:04 AM

The seats are different, going for a similar style but are different to the Ron Cobb designs.

with regards to the set photo, i had mentioned this movie the same as SM did, and that its only a portion and Prometheus Sets only used small portions of the ships on a Green Screen (well parts of the prop where Green) these included the Hanger Scene but also the Openings to the Juggernaught that Shaw abseiled down.

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BigDave

Jun-23-2016 9:11 AM

 Steve Burg designed and concepts Prometheus ship and some of his work does have that more closer to the Nostromo look to it and so the Covenant could have a similar feel and look to maybe these as Steve is working on Alien Covenant designs too as i had posted here...

https://www.scified.com/topic/42016

As since changes to site and my browser can no longer allow me to add photos like before

<img src="http://www.igorstshirts.com/blog/conceptships/2012/steve_burg/steve_burg_02.jpg" /img>

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Lone

Jun-23-2016 10:14 AM

*SIGH*

@S.M...Yes, they are from A L I E N, that's the point I am making!

In The Furious Gods docu the concept artists mention that those Cobb-ALIEN designs for the bridge and autodoc, influenced the look of the bridge and medi-doc-table-thingy in Prometheus.

This-

was influenced by this-

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Aorta

Jun-23-2016 2:03 PM

I loved the Prometheus, it's my favorite vehicle in the franchise. My favorite angle is when it's parked and the RT01 is zooming away. It looks vaguely Japanese, and huge and brutal, like its ready to attack. 

Most of the other vehicles just look like battering rams with antennas, a bunch of shapes glued together. The covenant is obviously a different class of ship but with Ridley and co. at the helm I bet it's still going to be pretty cool looking.  

Chris

Jun-23-2016 2:35 PM

I expect the Covenant to look severely less advanced. More closely relatable to the Nostromo than the Prometheus, but not quite as bulky.

S.M

Jun-23-2016 2:39 PM

@Lone - So when you said they were 'unused Alien designs' you weren't making the point they were 'unused Alien designs'?  Seeing as how the autodoc (and now oddly absent seat) was in fact 'used' in Alien?

 

I'm afraid the condescending *sigh* doesn't make it any clearer.

Lone

Jun-23-2016 2:43 PM

@S.M I said that some of his designs were unused!

I removed the offending seats, is that a problem?

The Prometheus was a beauty. It looked amazing, all sleek and shiny. The front carapace was neat and I loved the functional engine-becomes-landing leg. 

I have a soft spot for the Nostromo. I loved how each deck had a different feel. The garage-landing leg level was like a dirty gold cathedral. Every deck had incredible detail.

 

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Lone

Jun-23-2016 2:51 PM

Tell you what, I'll stop posting all together as my phrasing appears to be incoherent. Does anyone else *uckin* understand what I was trying to say?

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

S.M

Jun-23-2016 2:54 PM

"Lots of the design elements for the Prometheus were based on many of Ron Cobb's [unused] Alien designs."

 

Righto, then..

 

For the record I thought it was great they used his bridge concept on Prometheus.  Would've loved for him to have worked on the film properly.

Necronom 4

Jun-23-2016 4:07 PM

Yes, a lot of the unused designs from ALIEN (including some from Ron Cobb,) were used for Prometheus. His autodoc design for ALIEN was also used in Prometheus (the design was changed slightly but still held the same elements as the original concept.)

 

The poster was good though!

 

Chris

Jun-23-2016 4:09 PM

Play nice you two, haha. Lone is correct, many of Cobb's work went unused, but referenced and emulated in Prometheus' design and set pieces.

I too, would've liked to see more of his work. Hopefully Alien: Covenant introduces us to more of his envisioned set pieces and environments.

S.M

Jun-23-2016 4:44 PM

Just to clarify - are these threads meant for actual discussion or for everyone to simply agree with each other?

 

I only ask because I genuinely like finding new things in films I've seen 7,264 times, and the different insights of others can often identify these things (Lone's original post about the chairs made me go back and look at Alien and I noticed the bridge chairs, the Mother chair and Ash's science blister all seem to be variations with similar overall configurations).

By the same token, I believe things that are unclear or simply wrong should be questioned. This latter approach does not appear to be at all welcome here. If this is the case, then I'll know for future reference.

Chris

Jun-23-2016 5:11 PM

Not at all S.M, discussion and debate is encouraged! I was merely reminding everyone not to take opposing viewpoints or challenging info personally. Rather nip potential flares in the bud before the debate becomes an argument. That's all.

Necronom 4

Jun-23-2016 5:16 PM

I appreciate you clarifying that S.M!

I think it's just that your comments come across as nit picky and patronising.

We all try to respect each others opinions and be friendly to one another (though sometimes it's hard!) even if we don't agree with what someone says.

I think we should just try to be as respectful has we can be, even if we disagree with someone's comment. 

 

The poster was good though!

 

Lone

Jun-24-2016 3:03 AM

I was wrong, and I apologise for flaring up, in future I will be more careful about how I present the content of my comments!  

THE LONE GUNWOMAN

"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

BigDave

Jun-24-2016 8:31 AM

Indeed, the guy/gal knows their stuff as they spent 500 years watching Alien movies... lol just picking and joking ;)

I think we will see a ship that is a Merger of Prometheus and the Nostromo something where Old, meets New....

Steve Burg did design the Prometheus looking less stylish and more basic to start with.

i think the more square angles and design could be more what they may use.

So i would not be surprised if we had something like these and the Nostromo, as opposed to Prometheus especially for the Lander Craft.

But then its how large is the main ship?

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MonsterZero

Jun-24-2016 8:45 AM

Yes. Just How big is the main ship? Colony ship with fully developed humans or just a seed ship like 'Interstellar'?

I'm expecting Sulaco size...with multiple dropships.

BigDave

Jun-24-2016 9:08 AM

This is a Good Debate..

We simply dont know.... we know little apart from its a Colony Ship, but what can that mean?  Depends...

If we look at this as real as we can, then unless Earth is on the verge of destruction and doom, any mission to check out a New Habitable World would send out Probes first... but if this has happened or we bypass this.

The next stage would be a Survey Mission where they would send a Smaller Colony Crew to  check out the Worlds Viability and then to set up a Small Outpost to survey the World.

Then after a number of years 5-10 then they can start to send out bigger ships to start to colonize the World in Mass.

So based on this theory, they would need a Crew of say 8-20 tops....  then we have to ask if they are NOT simply a survey mission then they would need Materials, and Equipment and Food and Drink etc to set up a small Outpost....

Which could mean they would need a Large Ship certainly Larger than Prometheus was.

Depend on how Large the Ship is as to if it would require a Drop Ship/Lander to make journeys to and from the Surface.

The Ship on the surface of Paradise looks small but its only a Part of the Ship...

The Juggernaught was bigger than that Entrance was it not? And so the Drop Ship could be larger than it would appear.. the shot we have on Set in New Zealand is maybe just one Section of a part of the ship and so we only see 10-20% of the Lander in that shot. Maybe less.

Here is the interesting thing... the Drop Ship/Lander gets blown up...  we also see a Explosion and Fire on board what could be the main Covenant Ship... assuming the Covenant/Drop Ship are separate.

So at the moment we just dont know how large the ship is, the interior is very much Nostromo Meets Prometheus.

I would assume there is a Lander that would be at least half the size of the Nostromo/Prometheus but then i would assume there would be a Larger ship that would have to be at least double the size of the Nostromo/Prometheus.

Unless its one ship in which case i would think it would need to be at least Prometheus Size. with a Crew of under 12

Getting to the Crew we have so far 10 + a David?

But we have to remember there could be more as this is the main Cast... for instance the Prometheus Crew Main cast would have only been 9 + David (not including a Hidden Weyland)

But then we had also 4X Mercenaries and 4X Mechanics which including David was a Crew of 18

I am not sure Covenant would have as many extras but we cant rule that out and so i think the Crew again could be within the 12-20 Ball Park.

 

 

 

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MonsterZero

Jun-24-2016 9:27 AM

Yes, 10-20 sounds right. Ships are Expensive...larger ones are big bucks $$$$$$. Probably still hurting from the huge money loss of the Prometheus.

W Y expect a return on their investment! I would think they are in it for the money...not some betterment of humanity.

 

BigDave

Jun-24-2016 9:33 AM

The Nostromo was about 244 X 165 X73 Meters (L/W/H)

The Prometheus was about 130M or 170M depends which source, but i am going for the 170M X 120M X 65M Approx unless someone can find a exact specs.

So i would assume if the Covenant has 2 Ships, then the Main ship would be between 250-350M Length

And Drop Ship between 110M and 160M Length but these are purely Guess Work..

We just dont know yet

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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