There is only One Story For the future of Alien, period.

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Interesting concept but i cant see Fox going that route not as far as Prometheus Part 2!

But as far as a Spin off i,e a AVP3 then yes i do think at some point the Engineers vs Predators could be something Fox could explore as a alternative universe like AVP movies was and have it set way in the future such as after the time line of Aliens etc.

There are some interesting connections well maybe accidently as the Urns do have markings on them that are consistant with Predator Writtings and not Engineers i.e Engineer Writting on the Doors to Mural Room and on the Engineer Cryo Sleep Pods and Control Pannels.

Why the difference in writtings? who knows.. but i do doubt they are going the route of it being connected to Predators.

Thank you for posting Thewriter. As for your idea of the predator being introduced into the next Prometheus movie, I say OH GOD NO! I seriously do not see the predator being introduced at all, at least not on Ridley shift. Ridley doesn't like the predator and alien  being combined at all.

@ Bigdave.

I hope like hell the engineers don't end up in the predator movies. But since you mentioned it and having a fair idea of what fox is like. I would say it probably will happen. Lets just hope not.

I like the idea for comics and novels but as a movie?..Not so much the whole reason for every success is that they all started as a separate movie each with individual horror, and sci-fi elements in them and most of all, creature design.

The story lays out with perfect symmetry on many levels. First off your failing to encompass the fact that earth was a setup by the makers, in a timescale you are failing to take into account. The earth was seeded by them, we are given that in prometheus. Now, later they find precultural statements to this fact. Ah.. but who was the preculture? Was it the lizard men that the makers were angry with and then intentionally wiped the slate clean to start with a more appealing human culture? Was the upset with the first lizard culture due to such speedy and high intelligence thus fast ascencion of the earths first culture pose a threat to them? So.. they were their first children, an accident, then attacked, AS humans are being shown to be, leaving the questions still bare of what were the makers trying to make.

So, timeline, seed earth, predominant species to evolve lizard reptillians, bipedal fastest evolved Lizard men, makers upset-thrash destroy- go to a new mix, furries and slightly more appealing and manageable humanoid. The undestroyed actually managed to escape with one of the maker ships, but change in a fundamental way due to the bio weapons of this attack. The anger of the makers is due to the fact that so many of the lizards were underground, they go final event with a massive asteroid attack, and call it done. Off go the angry first children into the universe building numbers and tactics to fight the makers. Makers go with new mix of life on earth, starting over. Predators attack in guerilla fashion the outposts of Makers, gaining weapons, tech, so fourth, ships.. move on to taking out more and more of maker installations. Eventually hitting the homeworld, finishing their reign by scattering them, in a retribution-style vengeance/anger over bad parenting issues.

Your issues of Predator/Alien mixing, is not going to help the genre, and you should be excited that something of this previously attached and intelligent design is available. If you dont like that Aliens and predators are mixed, you basically want to shelve the whole thing, or have a really bad BSGalactica/Planet of the apes moment like Alien four had as an ending.  Comon, we know we dont want that ending here. IT makes sense.. it opens symmetry, growth potential, and even a wealth of possibilities with the makers OTHER RACES/Planets out there...

It does not have to focus on the predator, except momentarily, it breathes new money into it. IT makes PRedators like brothers, but we are Able, and they are Cane. Brothers, but.. angry brother wants to hurt, so fourth I MEAN COMON People... there are only so many storylines in ALL Of humanities existence, if you push this story to nonsense or shelve it, we are the ones to lose here, not them. If you feel against this, I dont know what to tell you. The fluff to come with.. godly nonsense.. you may as well bin the whole damn thing now.

*Shrug* I can make money with this. And believe me, it will. Your issues with Fox and company intermixing, those things dont control the whole of the genre here. It is however a breath for both go on, before these final gasps of theirs presently sink the whole thing. And yea, they like money.

No, Im not very humble about this, any student looking at all the movies, has to go with symmetry, and once its been done with AVP, and the prior comics and so fourth, its in stone. They are intermixed, and here is the obvious as to why, with the keystone of prometheus opening, and storyline.

So thats that, and kicking your feet and having a tantrum over intermixing can win. But you will see it end. The obvious is there. And if you think another Alien 4or battlestar Galactica/planet of the apes, sitting on a blasted rock and whining "Why WHY PLEASE GOD WHY!!??" ending will make you happy.. be my guest. Go and read some Joseph Campbell.  There can only be so many acceptable symmetry lines here guys.

Cheers,

(and Yeah, I will come back and let you know the outcome of my next book, as though that changes Im Ghost-Writer here. *Wink*)

The Writer

I dont think Ridley dislikes the Predator vs Aliens concept, he actually is very fond of the Predator, i think he thinks that they should both kept to their own unique universes because well mixing them together you risk diluting one of them... one will come on top more than the other in a mixed franchise and that could discredit the losers individual apeal as a seperate Alien.. say if Predators are dominant then this could lessen the way we see the Xeno as being a very deadly Organism and Vice Versa..

Saying that i feel Ridleys major problem with the movies was as Canon, the movies also was not very good but also do not mix with Alien Canon, they can be Predator Canon but never fitted with Aliens....

If the AVP Movies had been done like the Games and thus set after the events of Aliens in 2179 so say 2300 or so then it may had worked.

I think as a spin off and alternative movie then yes a AVP3 movie that is not canon to the other AVP movies but is based more off the Alien Timeline but is not to be considered canon to Prometheus and Alien directly could work.

What i mean is the Fire and Stone comics may not be considered directly Canon to Alien Timeline as far as movies go, they are like a alternative reality take... if you know what i mean.

And so yes there is scope for a movie, that is like the Comics Fire and Stone to be made.

But as far as it being considered as direct Canon... i dont think it would apply to the Alien Universe...

Your a good man Dave. I agree with your sentiments and the views you have given. We are all here in the enjoyment of what is someone else's work, and simply speaking we want more. Aliens, Predator, so fourth, both are just an expression of the unknown and reach for reasoning in brutality and creation. I honestly think Predator mix could boost both, but to be honest, the apparent lack of talent in Predator's past line leaves a lot to be desired. It is a shame. So much potential, and opportunity with both. Yes as you say there could be a percieved "winner" and such.. but I dont see Alien having a strong future, nor Predator, and soon we will be drowned in nothing but dystopic apocalyptic absurdity.

My own books extend outward, with the small stated influences of secret historical order. The issue of A being better than P, and so fourth, thats as endless as My dad can whoop your dad. But it is a continuation at the very least. I dont mind Alien stopping, but to be honest it should have stopped in a far better fashion. The game Isolation was a great expansion. Better than the last Alien Res. film for certain. It filled in a gap, and yes.. it stretched a bit in tying the daughter in, BUT it was true to form in most aspects enough that a diehard or linebyline fanatic could still accept the result.

Predator, sits... like a great potential, and sadly will fall into nothingness. Shame.

In any case I get upset with the arguements of dont get your peanut butter on my chocolate, when in fact it turned out to be wonderful.

Just like using black coffee to make your oatmeal with, instead of water, then adding the cream and sugar after. Somethings, no matter how seemingly different ... Have great potential.

Here is to hoping for a great and blind alley wondrous story from them. And here is to NO "why god why" endings of absurdity.

Cheers!

I like what you were saying its just that I agree that if they are going to do a remake of AVP than it should be as BigDave said set around the year 2179 after the events of Prometheus and Alien where humans and predators both get attacked by the Xenomorph. Maybe not really helping eachother out (humans and Preds) but running into one another and while hes hunting the creature we and them both get xeno-fied. I dont want humans and predators joining foprces like the first AVP but in some ways working together oocasionally and still enemies none the less.

Thinking about Alien and Predator mixing, has there ever been any art work or storyline concepts based on what happens when a Facehugger impregnates a Predator?

Not sure if that has ever really come up for discussion, but maybe it would be something that would tie in some Predator origins.

Hmmm… a Xenopred, or a Predamorph?

There all ready was in AVPR

The Predalien...

I understand what the OP is on about and if done right it may work but equally it may flop and harm all franchises, if it was to be done then it needs to be set after Alien 3 for sure and maybe even after Alien Resurection.

But alas the Xeno has been done to death, if they went any route i would want to see some flash backs in its hinted at a War between Predators and Engineers, or if this conflict occurs after Alien R, then instead of our Xeno from the Egg, we could see some new Xeno related Organisms using the Goo to give us something with Xeno look but not 100% same as the traditional Xenos, but certainly more than Shaws Granchild Deacon.

The only other way the OP ideas could work would be as a Spin off Alternative Universe where it is not 100% cannon, the movie could be bassed and is cannon to Alien and Prometheus but not vice versa.

The comic Fire and Stone is a prime example of a story as such... so yes TheWriter there is potential to make a new movie similar to what you have planned and even if your ideas dont get too far as far as being published i am sure as Fan Art many on here would love to read it..

Dont take that as a offence.... like with Prometheus drafts by Spaights and Lindeloff both are not carbon copies of what we saw in Prometheus but both proved to be a good read for us all.

Big Dave, Batchpool, with respect: I don't think we should encourage this line of thinking.

Predator?

I'm outta here.

I don't understand people who consider themselves Alien fans but want to see its OFFICIAL universe and mythology mingled with that other thing.

Hehehe.. Cremildo. Die hard. And Major Noob, "encourage"? Really? Honestly you don't imagine anyone is asking permission or under such overt control, do you?

Obviously what I put out is not perhaps to any fan, a good idea. However, the "plan" or projected outlook here for Aliens is looking scant and at best ready for shelving. In any case, I would love to hear how either of you two would like to see the future of Alien alone to go on.

Well I appreciate your sentiments Dave again. As far as timeline I feel it best to move forward from the current. Which yes, would in fact be prior to the much later instances. But that is handled as simply as the "tried and true" long cryosleep. I mean, you are not forgetting that is tanatmount to space travel in this storyline? Who knows just how far the Makers Homeworld is? So, that is easily handled.
And as far as publishing, that's not nearly as difficult as I think many believe. Obviously permission would be required, but that is the only step involved for me, I write, edit, and publish many books a year, just mostly not my own. However I have always had an interest in writing about the genre mix that you all feel is very upsetting here with AVP.

Likely they wouldnt go for it either. Shame really. Perhaps if I get a really cliche gangbuster title in the states I can get them to let me have a crack at it. In any case, I suspect the rest of this thread to meander terribly into the norm of such. But it was a useful pulse check for me. Best of luck to you all and I thank you for your involvement and comments.

Cheers,
The Writer

Yer I am afraid im even more strict on this I enjoy AVP but for me its not cannon with alien stuff I only really see alien and aliens as pure 100 percent cannon even prometheus and the other alien films were just too poor for me to really accept them. Though I do begrudgingly accept promethues as it was by the dude himself Ridley. I just hope part two patches things up. But yer if it were a seperate thing I can see go see AVP stuff and I could even imagine it working with prometheus though it would have to be amazing (very small chance it would work for me)...

The Writer- I hope you understand I was just kidding. I don't take any of this THAT seriously, but then if that's my stance I certainly can't take you too seriously, either.

In fact, I almost wonder if you mean what you say. I see the logic in it, but only because I don't think there's too many ways to perpetuate the Alien story without doing what Ridley did, which was go down an entirely new path.

Otherwise, your choices are slim, and, forgive me, worn to the point of dullness. The Predator and the Morb are just...done. Great, fantastic (though I could argue better apart than together), but also done to death. 

You HAVE asserted that you're the qualified writer, perhaps THE qualified writer. If so, none of this matters anyway. Your gonna do it, I just won't buy it. 

If there is one thing discussion does prove, it is that fans of Alien want to see more Xenos, and fans of Predator want to see more Predators. Putting the two together does not automatically create a happy medium. Even mixing the two creatures together just gives more of the same either way, and not to everyone’s satisfaction.

May I just point out something that has possibly been overlooked. That being the attitude of Fox when it came to the production of Prometheus. Not a single Xeno in sight. It is only through a discussion like this, that I come to realise the importance for Fox to insist on no Xenos. Fox want something new and different, and I really don’t think that having Predators gate crashing the party is what they envisage for the immediate future. Not having any Xeno’s appear in Prometheus may have appeared mad to the fans, but maybe it is now that the method is revealed.

Ultimately i think we would see a Engineers, and Predators movie, maybe with Xeno too.

Fox will see it as money maker, and it will happen just when and how and by that it could be like 10 years down the line... i also think the Predator could be remade yet again down the line even if thats in 10, 20, 30 years time i think Fox would resurect some of the old stuff for new Audience...

They kind of did with Predators... and i dont think thats the last time soon that we would see Predators..

As far as the Xeno mind, seems Fox take a different stance on them and seem to be distancing themselves from them...

I think Fox aim with Prometheus is to show us something new, but i dont think they would be doing that as giving us no Xenos, what we shall get is something that is connected to the Xeno i.e has a Bio-Mech look but does not have the Characteristics of the Xeno.

What i mean is if we take Species Sil, she has the Giger Bio-Mech look and you can notice some similaraties with the Xeno its as if for instance that Sil in Alien form could be something that is a consequence of the Goo from Prometheus.

So i think they could create something that has that Giger look, but lacks the say the inner pharyngeal jaw of the Xeno and maybe the Head shape etc..

I think this is where Fox will be taking us with Prometheus and as a spin off they could make other movies related to what goes in with these Engineers but would they in canon give us Predators i doubt it, as they are not even going to give us Xenos.

From a purely selfish point of view, I actually liked Predators and the direction that Robert Rodriguez was taking it with the expectation of a follow up., and one that I would prefer Rodrigues to stick with. Now this is where I have found that things have become interesting because Rodriguez Predators would appear to be based on a Predator script called ‘The Zoo’. This was supposed to give an insight into the Predators home world with origins and develop a new storyline. What we got was something that would appear to be half of that, so it would be safe to assume that Predators 2 could possibly be the other half of the script should it happen.

Now along comes Prometheus with some serious studio backing and of course Ridley Scott to steer the ship. The end result is that Prometheus demands a sequel with far greater urgency than a Predators sequel. However both films are currently looking for a part 2 origins story. IMO this is what ‘The Writer’ is alluding to.

No doubt there could probably be some storyline overlap in the future. But for now the studios moneys would seem to be firmly and exclusively on P2

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