Dark NebulaXenomorphStaff1160 XPJan-25-2017 10:03 AM
Im not really sure about Muthur stating that Vickers died on 29 june 2049.The muthur site itself is not giving answers properly sometimes when asked.
When I typed "when was Meredith Vickers born?" it responded 29 june 2049.
Is she an adroid, idk.
Damon Lindelof stated in an interview that she is not.
QueenElizabethShawChestbursterMember554 XPJan-25-2017 10:20 AM
It's probably worth adding here that in addition to the Vickers issue, the system also seems to give LV-426 as a response when imputing "planet" and then a [SPACE] (I also got this when typing "Planet P" and someone else get it when typing "Planet Paradise".)
ChrisDeaconAdmin19646 XPJan-25-2017 10:22 AM
It is confusing for sure, but what a twist that would turn out to be!
iollivierOvomorphMember12 XPJan-25-2017 11:38 AM
Unfortunately .. none of this question/answers could be relevant.
It turns out the MUTHUR does not understand questions asked and it's algorithm only tries to close-match your question with a library of questions in the database.
So asking for a date of death you might get a date of birth of a person. My guess algorithm is just parsing the text and fins as many as possible matching words in it's database.
See below: http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/42869
Something RealTrilobiteMember5639 XPJan-25-2017 2:02 PM
Hmm...most compelling. :)
A L I E N 4 2 6 FacehuggerMember444 XPJan-25-2017 2:08 PM
And just think: two months ago, I was getting reemed on here for saying the space jockey was just an engineer. My how the tables have turned
AlphariusOvomorphMember29 XPJan-25-2017 3:02 PM
I think some of the answers on MU/TH/UR are randomly linked or maybe they need specific wording to get a specific reply.
Since the article mentioned the religious angle, the following questions:
"Who is Jesus"
"Who is Mohammad" (also tried "Muhammed")
provide the following answer:
David is a David 8 series synthetic who served as a crewmember aboard the USCSS Prometheus , whose mission on LV-223 was to search for answers about humanity's past.
When asking "When did Jesus die" and "When did Mohammad die" the answer comes up as:
Kane was deceased as of June, 2122.
Entering the term "Islam" shows this:
Jones, nicknamed "Jonesy," was a ginger American shorthair tomcat kept abroad the USCSS Nostromo as Ellen Ripley's pet.
The same answer about Jones appears on several other questions.
"Who is Ridley Scott"
"Who are the Elders"
comes up as:
Doctor Elizabeth Shaw (aka "Ellie") was an accomplished archaeologist with doctorates in paleontology , archaeology , human mythology and mimetics.
Entering "Jupiter" as a search term shows an answer about Miliburn.
"Is Vickers Alive" "Deceased"
"Is the Deacon alive" "Deceased"
"Is Annalee Alive" (Annalee was synthetic/auton) "Deceased"
the same question for David, Bishop (both of them synthetics) and Shaw says "Current whereabouts unknown".
"When was the Xenomorph created" "2120S"
Is David God? "Contact lost"
Amos PerrinsOvomorphMember21 XPJan-25-2017 3:05 PM
Basically, what iollivier said. The more interesting info to be gleaned from MU/TH/UR is from the questions in its database which it matches the query up with:
"When was Vickers born?" - "29 June 2049"
"The Engineers are said have had contact with the Mayans of Teotihuacan in which year?" - "620 CE"
"The planetoid visited during the Nostromo mission is called?" - "LV-426"
"What is Weyland-Yutani Corp? " - "The Weyland-Yutani Corporation, often shortened to Weyland-Yutani, is a large British/Japanese multinational conglomerate. It was founded in 2099 by the merger of Weyland Corp and the Yutani Corporation."
"Who was the space jockey" - "The Pilot, sometimes referred to as the "Space Jockey," was an Engineer who piloted the spacecraft that crashed on LV-426."
You can check this information for yourself if you're using Google Chrome by right-clicking anywhere on the MU/TH/UR page, click 'Inspect' and going to the 'Network' tab. Next time you query MU/TH/UR you'll see a new entry called 'query' in the 'Response' pane which'll tell you what question it's actually responding to. You can do this in other web browsers if you inspect the HTTP traffic.
Most, if not all of this stuff, we already know but it'd be nice to see what other folks come up with.
GaseousWaterOvomorphMember31 XPJan-25-2017 3:52 PM
Is there another Daniels in the Alien Universe?
Cause I asked something about her and I received an answer I didn't expected, so I wanted to make sure there's no other Daniels.
TomFacehuggerMember104 XPJan-25-2017 3:52 PM
I said it before on another thread, but the MUTHUR website is not a viable source of info, it's for marketing purposes only. Every answer it gives comes directly from the AVP wikia pages. See this one for the yutani thing: http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Weyland-Yutani_Corporation
every answer it gives cones from that wikia, look it up
GaseousWaterOvomorphMember31 XPJan-25-2017 4:07 PM
I tried to put some random names asking if they're alive, and I always received "deceased" as an answer, the only exception was for david
Shasta cycloneFacehuggerMember281 XPJan-25-2017 4:18 PM
On the prometheus website on the time line weyland Corp bought yutani corporation
FreezerinosOvomorphMember38 XPJan-25-2017 4:39 PM
Not a big deal but when I put in, "What is black goo?" I got "Unable to compute." When I simply typed "Black Goo" this popped up.
Neomorph ChestbursterMember731 XPJan-25-2017 4:54 PM
^ Can't stop laughing
And so MU/TH/UR's credibility was flushed down the toilet...
Apex_PredatorFacehuggerMember118 XPJan-25-2017 8:58 PM
Can someone type in something like "gravity on planet", since its not working on my phone. It just bugs me that all these planets have perfect gravity. Unless they were specifically chosen.
FreezerinosOvomorphMember38 XPJan-25-2017 9:04 PM
"Unable to compute" When "Weight" is typed, answer is "325-1000 lbs." So theres that. Length 427 feet
SvanyaPraetorianAdmin4298 XPJan-25-2017 11:20 PM
If Vickers was an Android, she was the saltiest one ever built. :/
chliChestbursterMember935 XPJan-26-2017 3:08 AM
I believe that Vickers is supposed to be a real human being and the daughter of Peter Weyland. Their dialog and their hate for one another (Peter wanting a son - David is the nearest he would get) and her hatred/jealousy for not getting his love (even changing her surname). It feels “real”.
What I can’t quite understand, though, is that having sex with Janek would prove that she was not a synthetic? A synthetic can simulate anything, I presume, like eating, breathing, sleeping, etc?
I don’t think “Muthur” can be trusted . . .
Alex MaiaOvomorphMember12 XPJan-26-2017 4:04 AM
There appears to have some sort of word tagging.
When jesus born - 29 june 2049
When david born - 29 june 2049
When vickers born - 29 june 2049
I believe this MUTHUR went haywire perhaps, i don't know.
At first i was thinking Vickers might have been his child and died at birth or at really young and peter weiland made an android of her trying to make her more fiesty and did not worked out so well. That made him building David and being more found of him.
Shasta cycloneFacehuggerMember281 XPJan-26-2017 5:54 AM
maybe its done on purpose to F with everybody and Ridley scans these forums laughing his ass off. because we all try to over analyze every little detail. lol
BigDaveDeaconMember10114 XPJan-26-2017 6:15 AM
I think it was teased she could be a robot, and Ridley Scott did tease the movie may have more than one Robot.... but i think maybe Ridleys tease was maybe the Engineer was basically to their creators as David is to Mankind.
Ridley does like to put a lot of red herrings about...
I think the movie proved she was not a Robot though and Lindeloff confirmed she was not... but there is always that wander about her age compared to Weyland which meant Weyland would have been like about 70 when he had Vickers.
As far as the MUTHUR site, i think its hard to take it as Canon with each answer as its flawed and certain questions can give the same random result. I think this is a bug in who ever programed the application.
My Prometheus 2 draft did tease a Vickers was a robot though... made you think YES Vickers on Prometheus was a Robot... but in reality my drafts Vickers was a Robot.. a back up plan by Weyland to prevent his brother and nephew taking over the company.
Weylands Nephew made a deal with Yutani and they sent out to assassinate Vickers with TWO Yutani Geisha Assassin Androids.. and it would only be in that scene when Vickers beats them and gets wounded that we find out she is a Robot... and Weylands Nephew enters in to deliver a shot that incapacitates Vickers 1 and then he gets to take over the company as a Robot has no rights and as part of his deal he has to merge with Yutani..
Who also have secretly trans-coded information from the Prometheus mission, that Weyland Company thought it had lost most of the data
DascualOvomorphMember12 XPJan-26-2017 6:56 AM
Is there no thought of the year 2049 coming up on the Muthur and a possible tie in to the New Blade Runner movie?
AtiPraetorianMember3378 XPJan-26-2017 11:12 AM
Nostromo01OvomorphMember11 XPJan-26-2017 8:40 PM
Try the query:
and "vickers android"
S.MXenomorphMember1234 XPJan-26-2017 8:55 PM
If you type in just Planet on it's own it says 'LV-426'.
620CE is the date of the Mayan tablet in Prometheus.
The 2099 merger is in the Weyland Yutani Report.
Vickers was born in 2057.
BigDaveDeaconMember10114 XPJan-27-2017 1:39 AM
Well i think the big thing with the Franchise and Ridley Scott is its very ambiguous that allows us to all interpret things in different ways... and maybe they will NEVER EVER.... Spoon feed a lot of stuff so we can Never Rule out any connections with Tyrell but also never have proof for a connection either.
There are so many ways to interpret things... like 620CE it is a important date in Islam but its not the Date when Mohamed first went to Mecca.
That date is to do with how Mohamed was opposed in his teachings of Islam, despite him in 619CE being take to meet Allah in Heaven.... and at the time around Mecca/Medina there was TWO Waring Factions.... but in 620CE Mohamed had managed to engage and convert them to Islam to bring about some kind of piece. 620CE and on wards was when Islam started to then gain steam as far as being a supported Truth...
Just as Christianity started its main movements after the death and resurrection of Christ
But as SM had mentioned 620CE is also the date of the Mayan Tablet... and we maybe cant be looking at the date being too literal of Islam... same with other Biblical connections.. not literally..
But maybe loosely and so maybe the 620CE date could mean a time set when War had finished?
BigDaveDeaconMember10114 XPJan-27-2017 1:55 AM
"Is there no thought of the year 2049 coming up on the Muthur and a possible tie in to the New Blade Runner movie?"
Again due to ambiguity maybe we can or can not take any connection at all.... only time will tell... and so yes we can maybe ponder was Vickers a Replicant instead then...
Ridley teased as maybe TWO Androids... David is Synthetic he is not HUMAN.... and to a degree Replicants are not considered HUMAN either.
There is no Proof to say that this kind of connection could be made... or no Proof to say it cant be... its a case of personal interpretation and opinion/hopes.
Until more clues are laid that support any connection, then we have to maybe take the Tyrell/Weyland connections as not being Canon... despite Ridley teasing they could be the same universe.
I am not aware of Vickers correct DOB etc... i have not opened by Blu-ray and so have not seen the extra footage and date on it, i only used my Digital Download and DVD.
But Vickers (not including any technology that would slow down aging process i.e like Cryo-sleep) But Charlize Theron would have been 36 when she shot her scenes for Prometheus and so she would pass for a Female between 30-40 years of age... which would minus any anti age help.... but her DOB at between 2051-2061 taken as from departure of Prometheus 2 years prior to the year 2093 and assumes Cryo-Sleep slows down age process.
So i think indeed as SM stated a DOB of around 2055 seems ideal and so if it was 2057 that means in Prometheus she was 36 which was her actual age (well Therons at the time) i have found most information points to 2047 but that would mean she is 46 but then maybe in the future a very Rich Woman would have access to things that would reduce Age.... even Micheal Jackson had his own like Cryo-sleep Pod thingy to help him age less lol
it would be interesting to see where SM got the date 2057 from... but i am inclined to believe them as they had worked close with Fox in regards to the resource book.
S.MXenomorphMember1234 XPJan-27-2017 2:16 AM
2057 was made up by me based on Charlize Theron's actual age and the date of Prometheus. SD Perry used it in the WYR.
BigDaveDeaconMember10114 XPJan-28-2017 12:13 AM
I would assume they collaborated this data with Fox first as far as those who would be working within Fox in regards to the Franchise.
Even if not this date is about right to be honest, it would certainly had been around 2055-2060 mark based on the Age Theron would pass for and indeed her actual age at that time of 36 would gave the 2057 date which i think is very likely.
S.MXenomorphMember1234 XPJan-28-2017 1:26 AM
Danelle and by extension Fox and Insight trusted my judgement with dates, and if they had any queries about them they asked me for my reasoning.
BigDaveDeaconMember10114 XPJan-28-2017 1:41 AM
Thats interesting information ;)
I cant wait until the Franchise is done and we get a series of books dedicated to each department... maybe part of the same set but split into 3 parts... One Engineers, TWO Xenomorph and other related Organisms and Black Goo and Third which covers Weyland Yutani includes all their Technology and History
So we can also get a fully detailed look at the Biology and History of the Xenomorph.... but then it depends if they (Fox and Ridley) wish to keep some things a Mystery.
rmngrnkOvomorphMember13 XPJan-31-2017 12:18 PM
IMHO this MU/TH/UR 6000 is bull****
S.MXenomorphMember1234 XPJan-31-2017 12:22 PM
The Vickers one is right.
Chicken XenomorphOvomorphMember13 XPFeb-02-2017 12:23 AM
Got some extra info on the Deacon
type " Deacon Alien "
As with all Xenomorphs, they gain different characteristics from their hosts. It is important to note how the birth of this creature is different from the majority of Xenomorph births - it was born with arms and legs, while most other Xenomorphs born of humanoid hosts lack legs and arms before maturing. Instead of having a second inner jaw like the Xenomorph, the Deacon had a single set of protrusible jaws more akin to those of the goblin shark, where the upper jaw can unhinge and move forwards. The deacon also lacks bio-mechanical features, exept some ribs showing
CentauriPraetorianMember2267 XPFeb-03-2017 9:35 PM
Theres not alot to Vickers than her being a sturn representation and daughter to Weyland...there has to be more to this.
I suggested on a prior thread that she could be a replicant who doesn't realize she's one, her life boat, her relationship with david...if bladerunner and the alien universe overlaps with one another it would make sense.....but who knows...theres something significant about our speculation.
SiftingthrouOvomorphMember11 XPFeb-04-2017 12:03 AM
If you type in Predator, it says Classified Data.
Dr. Curt ConnorsChestbursterMember661 XPFeb-04-2017 8:34 PM
So when I searched Prometheus crew it listed David twice and didn't list Janek. Don't know if it was a mess up or not, kinda interesting.
Dr. Curt ConnorsChestbursterMember661 XPFeb-05-2017 7:27 AM
Type in did Ellen Ripley die and MUTHUR says current whereabouts unknown.
Dr. Curt ConnorsChestbursterMember661 XPFeb-05-2017 7:44 AM
Enter number of crew on USCSS Prometheus and it says 17, so that must consist of Peter Weyland and his doctors along with the actual crew.
S.MXenomorphMember1234 XPFeb-05-2017 11:51 AM
It says 17 crew in the film.
Dr. Curt ConnorsChestbursterMember661 XPFeb-06-2017 6:58 AM
Okay, don't really care much for the movie Prometheus, only watched it twice and the second time was fairly recent. Just a lot of stuff I don't like about it. Thanks for letting me know that that is said in the film.