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Vickers was a robot?! 5 things we've learned from the Alien: Covenant viral website!

Vickers was a robot?! 5 things we've learned from the Alien: Covenant viral website!

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Following the release of the first Alien: Covenant trailer, Twentieth Century Fox released a new viral website which mimics the MUTHUR interface from the original Alien. This super computer was the Nostromo's link to the company and housed sensitive data concerning the discovery of Alien life. Following our initial report of the viral website, many fans began hunting for clues which could explain some of the many questions posed by Prometheus leading into Alien: Covenant. Below are 5 major clues fans have managed to discover so far.

Vickers was a robot after all?!

Janek (played by Idris Elba) had a suspicion and it seems as though his gut instinct was right! Meredith Vickers was the name of the corporate stiff played by Charlize Theron in 2012's Prometheus. She was the company's representation on-board the trillion-dollar space ship. Throughout the film and even following everyone's initial viewing,many speculated that Vickers was indeed a synthetic like David. However, we were meant to believe this was not the case given how events played out on-film. However, the new Alien Movies viral website may have just debunked this speculation once and for all.

We know Vickers was crushed by the Juggernaut after it was knocked out of the sky following Janek's heroic suicide. Prometheus took place during the year 2093/2094. The mission officially launched in the year 2089

If you enter the query "When did Meredith Vickers die", MUTHUR responds with: "29 JUNE 2049". This would mean Vickers actually died 40 years before the Prometheus even left! Does this mean she was a synthetic? She seemed to have a very clear distaste for David, who was referred to Weyland as "the closest thing he would ever have to a son", insinuating that he was not pleased with his daughter - who Vickers reveals she is near the end of the film. But was she really his daughter? Or was she a jealous synthetic - an older model - who was envious of Weyland's affinity for David? Robot jealousy?

Discovered by forum member Facehugger#)##.

Engineers linked to Jesus and birth of Islam?

Originally, fans will recall that many speculated that Prometheus insinuated that the messiah of Christian faith, Jesus was in fact an Engineer (or alien being in general). This of course did not sit well with a lot of people and stirred some serious controversy. However, the reference was never directly made in the film and for the most part was left up to the interpretation of its viewers. However, after entering the term "Engineer" into the MUTHUR interface, you are met with the following response:

The response is actually a date - 620 CE. When researching that date, you discover that 620 CE had major significance - spiritually. During 620 CE, Medina was converted to Islam and a historic event is referenced mentioning of their Prophet Muhammad's ascension into the heavens. 

Is the viral site suggesting that the "prophets" many religions reference, were actually Engineers visiting Humanity to help keep us on track? Is it also a coincidence that the Alien: Covenant trailer and viral website launched at 12:01 on Christmas Day, the day many Christians believe to be the birth of Christ?

Discovered by forum member Airlock.

LV-426 was an Engineer testing site?

During Prometheus' viral marketing campaign, subtle references to LV-426 (the planet which both Alien and Aliens take place on) were made. In researching the aftermath of Project Prometheus, Weyland Industries managed to uncover an information manual written by the Engineers concerning a chemical agent found by the Prometheus crew. Linguistic components from the original document translated by a Weyland Industries’ cybernetic individual. Upon entering "Planet Test" into the MUTHUR interface, the response prints out "LV-426":

This suggests that LV-426 was a testing site for the weapons the Engineers were creating on the adjacent moon - LV-223 (where Prometheus takes place). This could also suggest that originally, LV-426 was not the hostile, desolate, volcanic planet it is during Alien and Aliens. Perhaps the Black Goo bombardment transformed the planet following repeated testings of the Engineer bio-weapon? What if the Xenomorph was a native creature to the LV-426 moon and Engineers were using the site to test the effectiveness of their Black Goo on them - as a means of wiping out the Xenomorph species? So many questions, so little answers.

Discovered by forum member chadsbrothermatt.

Weyland and Yutani merged companies in 2099

Another interesting fact presented by the viral MUTHUR site is the reference of when Weyland became Weyland-Yutani. According to MUTHUR, Weyland Corp. merged with the Yutani Corporation in the year 2099, 5 years after the events of Prometheus.

The reason for the merge are still unknown, but could likely be due to Weyland's immense debt following the loss of their Trillion-dollar mission. It's likely Yutani bailed them out by merging together. The two companies likely shared similar interests and decided against rivaling one another and maintain complete control over the assets they would soon come to encounter.

 

The Space Jockey was an Engineer

Despite fans hoping that there would be some distinction between the mysterious Space Jockey and Engineers, it seems as though Fox are ruling that possibility out. When typing in the query "Space Jockey", MUTHUR responds by saying "The pilot, sometimes referred to as the Space Jockey, was an Engineer who piloted the spacecraft that crashed on LV-426".

Discovered by forum member / moderator Dark Nebula.

There are many more hidden clues on the viral site, however there also seem to be many misleading responses as well. Can the Alien Movies MUTHUR interface be trusted as a canon resource for discussion and analysis of this franchise? Some would argue not, however the site does contain a number of accurate responses, when asked the right way. The response referencing the date 620 CE does not appear to be random, nor does the mention of LV-426 being a test site. 

Regardless of whether or not the information housed in MUTHUR is canon, it makes for some truly great discussion and speculation. With Alien: Covenant being the first of three total Prometheus sequels planned by Fox, we're bound to be exposed to a number of new questions to ponder following its May 19th release date. Perhaps MUTHUR contains subtle answers to some of those questions, or clues to how the series will play out?

I encourage you to visit the site and see what clues you can discover! We've got a list of existing discoveries made by fans of this forum, which you can view here.

What are your thoughts on the discoveries mentioned in this post? Do you think they should be interpreted as canon? Let us know your thoughts in the comments section below!

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Written by ChrisPublished on 2017-01-25 09:49:23

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Dark Nebula

XenomorphStaff1160 XPJan-25-2017 10:03 AM

Im not really sure about Muthur stating that Vickers died on 29 june 2049.The muthur site itself is not giving answers properly sometimes when asked.

When I typed "when was Meredith Vickers born?" it responded 29 june 2049.

Is she an adroid, idk.

Damon Lindelof stated in an interview that she is not.

 

QueenElizabethShaw

ChestbursterMember554 XPJan-25-2017 10:20 AM

It's probably worth adding here that in addition to the Vickers issue, the system also seems to give LV-426 as a response when imputing "planet" and then a [SPACE] (I also got this when typing "Planet P" and someone else get it when typing "Planet Paradise".)

 

Chris

DeaconAdmin19646 XPJan-25-2017 10:22 AM

It is confusing for sure, but what a twist that would turn out to be!

iollivier

OvomorphMember12 XPJan-25-2017 11:38 AM

Unfortunately .. none of this question/answers could be relevant.

It turns out the MUTHUR does not understand questions asked and it's algorithm only tries to close-match your question with a library of questions in the database.

So asking for a date of death you might get a date of birth of a person. My guess algorithm is just parsing the text and fins as many as possible matching words in it's database.

See below: http://www.alien-covenant.com/topic/42869 

Something Real

TrilobiteMember5639 XPJan-25-2017 2:02 PM

Hmm...most compelling. :)

A L I E N 4 2 6

FacehuggerMember444 XPJan-25-2017 2:08 PM

And just think: two months ago, I was getting reemed on here for saying the space jockey was just an engineer. My how the tables have turned 

Alpharius

OvomorphMember29 XPJan-25-2017 3:02 PM

 I think some of the answers on MU/TH/UR are randomly linked or maybe they need specific wording to get a specific reply.

Since the article mentioned the religious angle, the following questions:

"Who is Jesus"

"Who is Mohammad" (also tried "Muhammed")

provide the following answer:

David is a David 8 series synthetic who served as a crewmember aboard the USCSS Prometheus , whose mission on LV-223 was to search for answers about humanity's past.

When asking "When did Jesus die" and "When did Mohammad die" the answer comes up as:

Kane was deceased as of June, 2122.

Entering the term "Islam" shows this:

Jones, nicknamed "Jonesy," was a ginger American shorthair tomcat kept abroad the USCSS Nostromo as Ellen Ripley's pet. 

The same answer about Jones appears on several other questions.

Other questions:

"Who is Ridley Scott"

"Who are the Elders"

comes up as:

Doctor Elizabeth Shaw (aka "Ellie") was an accomplished archaeologist with doctorates in paleontology , archaeology , human mythology and mimetics. 

Entering "Jupiter" as a search term shows an answer about Miliburn.

Other questions:

"Is Vickers Alive" "Deceased"

"Is the Deacon alive"  "Deceased"

"Is Annalee Alive" (Annalee was synthetic/auton) "Deceased"

the same question for David, Bishop (both of them synthetics) and Shaw says "Current whereabouts unknown".

"When was the Xenomorph created" "2120S"

Is David God? "Contact lost"

Amos Perrins

OvomorphMember21 XPJan-25-2017 3:05 PM

Basically, what iollivier said. The more interesting info to be gleaned from MU/TH/UR is from the questions in its database which it matches the query up with:

"When was Vickers born?" - "29 June 2049"

"The Engineers are said have had contact with the Mayans of Teotihuacan in which year?" - "620 CE"

"The planetoid visited during the Nostromo mission is called?" - "LV-426"

"What is Weyland-Yutani Corp? " - "The Weyland-Yutani Corporation, often shortened to Weyland-Yutani, is a large British/Japanese multinational conglomerate. It was founded in 2099 by the merger of Weyland Corp and the Yutani Corporation."

"Who was the space jockey" - "The Pilot, sometimes referred to as the "Space Jockey," was an Engineer who piloted the spacecraft that crashed on LV-426."

You can check this information for yourself if you're using Google Chrome by right-clicking anywhere on the MU/TH/UR page, click 'Inspect' and going to the 'Network' tab. Next time you query MU/TH/UR you'll see a new entry called 'query' in the 'Response' pane which'll tell you what question it's actually responding to. You can do this in other web browsers if you inspect the HTTP traffic.

Most, if not all of this stuff, we already know but it'd be nice to see what other folks come up with.

GaseousWater

OvomorphMember31 XPJan-25-2017 3:52 PM

Is there another Daniels in the Alien Universe?

Cause I asked something about her and I received an answer I didn't expected, so I wanted to make sure there's no other Daniels.

Tom

FacehuggerMember104 XPJan-25-2017 3:52 PM

I said it before on another thread, but the MUTHUR website is not a viable source of info, it's for marketing purposes only. Every answer it gives comes directly from the AVP wikia pages.  See this one for the yutani thing:  http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Weyland-Yutani_Corporation

every answer it gives cones from that wikia, look it up

GaseousWater

OvomorphMember31 XPJan-25-2017 3:59 PM

GaseousWater

OvomorphMember31 XPJan-25-2017 4:07 PM

I tried to put some random names asking if they're alive, and I always received "deceased" as an answer, the only exception was for david

Shasta cyclone

FacehuggerMember281 XPJan-25-2017 4:18 PM

On the prometheus website on the time line weyland Corp bought yutani corporation 

Freezerinos

OvomorphMember38 XPJan-25-2017 4:39 PM

Not a big deal but when I put in, "What is black goo?" I got "Unable to compute." When I simply typed "Black Goo" this popped up. 

Stan Winston (deceased)

FacehuggerMember173 XPJan-25-2017 4:48 PM

Neomorph

ChestbursterMember731 XPJan-25-2017 4:54 PM

^ Can't stop laughing 

And so MU/TH/UR's credibility was flushed down the toilet...

 

Apex_Predator

FacehuggerMember118 XPJan-25-2017 8:58 PM

Can someone type in something like "gravity on planet", since its not working on my phone. It just bugs me that all these planets have perfect gravity. Unless they were specifically chosen. 

Freezerinos

OvomorphMember38 XPJan-25-2017 9:04 PM

"Unable to compute" When "Weight" is typed, answer is "325-1000 lbs." So theres that. Length 427 feet

Svanya

PraetorianAdmin4298 XPJan-25-2017 11:20 PM

If Vickers was an Android, she was the saltiest one ever built. :/

chli

ChestbursterMember935 XPJan-26-2017 3:08 AM

I believe that Vickers is supposed to be a real human being and the daughter of Peter Weyland. Their dialog and their hate for one another (Peter wanting a son - David is the nearest he would get) and her hatred/jealousy for not getting his love (even changing her surname). It feels “real”.

What I can’t quite understand, though, is that having sex with Janek would prove that she was not a synthetic? A synthetic can simulate anything, I presume, like eating, breathing, sleeping, etc?

I don’t think “Muthur” can be trusted . . .

Alex Maia

OvomorphMember12 XPJan-26-2017 4:04 AM

There appears to have some sort of word tagging.
When asking:
When jesus born - 29 june 2049
When david born - 29 june 2049
When vickers born - 29 june 2049
I believe this MUTHUR went haywire perhaps, i don't know.

At first i was thinking Vickers might have been his child and died at birth or at really young and peter weiland made an android of her trying to make her more fiesty and did not worked out so well. That made him building David and being more found of him.

Shasta cyclone

FacehuggerMember281 XPJan-26-2017 5:54 AM

maybe its done on purpose to F with everybody and Ridley scans these forums laughing his ass off. because we all try to over analyze every little detail.   lol

BigDave

DeaconMember10114 XPJan-26-2017 6:15 AM

I think it was teased she could be a robot, and Ridley Scott did tease the movie may have more than one Robot.... but i think maybe Ridleys tease was maybe the Engineer was basically to their creators as David is to Mankind.

Ridley does like to put a lot of red herrings about...

I think the movie proved she was not a Robot though and Lindeloff confirmed she was not... but there is always that wander about her age compared to Weyland which meant Weyland would have been like about 70 when he had Vickers.

As far as the MUTHUR site, i think its hard to take it as Canon with each answer as its flawed and certain questions can give the same random result.  I think this is a bug in who ever programed the application.

My Prometheus 2 draft did tease a Vickers was a robot though... made you think YES Vickers on Prometheus was a Robot... but in reality my drafts Vickers was a Robot.. a back up plan by Weyland to prevent his brother and nephew taking over the company.

Weylands Nephew made a deal with Yutani and they sent out to assassinate Vickers with TWO Yutani Geisha Assassin Androids.. and it would only be in that scene when Vickers beats them and gets wounded that we find out she is a Robot...  and Weylands Nephew enters in to deliver a shot that incapacitates Vickers 1 and then he gets to take over the company as a Robot has no rights and as part of his deal he has to merge with Yutani..

Who also have secretly trans-coded information from the Prometheus mission, that Weyland Company thought it had lost most of the data

Dascual

OvomorphMember12 XPJan-26-2017 6:56 AM

Is there no thought of the year 2049 coming up on the Muthur and a possible tie in to the New Blade Runner movie?

Ati

PraetorianMember3378 XPJan-26-2017 11:12 AM

--

Nostromo01

OvomorphMember11 XPJan-26-2017 8:40 PM
Try the query: 
"deacon xenomorph",
"born"
and "vickers android"
 

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPJan-26-2017 8:55 PM

If you type in just Planet on it's own it says 'LV-426'.

620CE is the date of the Mayan tablet in Prometheus.

The 2099 merger is in the Weyland Yutani Report.

Vickers was born in 2057.

 

BigDave

DeaconMember10114 XPJan-27-2017 1:39 AM

Well i think the big thing with the Franchise and Ridley Scott is its very ambiguous that allows us to all interpret things in different ways... and maybe they will NEVER EVER.... Spoon feed a lot of stuff so we can Never Rule out any connections with Tyrell but also never have proof for a connection either.

There are so many ways to interpret things... like 620CE it is a important date in Islam but its not the Date when Mohamed first went to Mecca.

That date is to do with how Mohamed was opposed in his teachings of Islam, despite him in 619CE being take to meet Allah in Heaven.... and at the time around Mecca/Medina there was TWO Waring Factions.... but in 620CE Mohamed had managed to engage and convert them to Islam to bring about some kind of piece.  620CE and on wards was when Islam started to then gain steam as far as being a supported Truth...

Just as Christianity started its main movements after the death and resurrection of Christ

But as SM had mentioned 620CE is also the date of the Mayan Tablet... and we maybe cant be looking at the date being too literal of Islam... same with other Biblical connections.. not literally..

But maybe loosely and so maybe the 620CE date could mean a time set when War had finished?

BigDave

DeaconMember10114 XPJan-27-2017 1:55 AM

"Is there no thought of the year 2049 coming up on the Muthur and a possible tie in to the New Blade Runner movie?"

Again due to ambiguity maybe we can or can not take any connection at all.... only time will tell... and so yes we can maybe ponder was Vickers a Replicant instead then...

Ridley teased as maybe TWO Androids... David is Synthetic he is not HUMAN.... and to a degree Replicants are not considered HUMAN either.

There is no Proof to say that this kind of connection could be made... or no Proof to say it cant be... its a case of personal interpretation and opinion/hopes.

Until more clues are laid that support any connection, then we have to maybe take the Tyrell/Weyland connections as not being Canon... despite Ridley teasing they could be the same universe.

I am not aware of Vickers correct DOB etc...  i have not opened by Blu-ray and so have not seen the extra footage and date on it, i only used my Digital Download and DVD.

But Vickers (not including any technology that would slow down aging process i.e like Cryo-sleep) But Charlize Theron would have been 36 when she shot her scenes for Prometheus and so she would pass for a Female between 30-40 years of age... which would minus any anti age help.... but her DOB at between 2051-2061 taken as from departure of Prometheus 2 years prior to the year 2093 and assumes Cryo-Sleep slows down age process.

So i think indeed as SM stated a DOB of around 2055 seems ideal and so if it was 2057 that means in Prometheus she was 36 which was her actual age (well Therons at the time) i have found most information points to 2047 but that would mean she is 46 but then maybe in the future a very Rich Woman would have access to things that would reduce Age.... even Micheal Jackson had his own like Cryo-sleep Pod thingy to help him age less lol

it would be interesting to see where SM got the date 2057 from... but i am inclined to believe them as they had worked close with Fox in regards to the resource book.

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPJan-27-2017 2:16 AM

2057 was made up by me based on Charlize Theron's actual age and the date of Prometheus.  SD Perry used it in the WYR.

BigDave

DeaconMember10114 XPJan-28-2017 12:13 AM

I would assume they collaborated this data with Fox first as far as those who would be working within Fox in regards to the Franchise.

Even if not this date is about right to be honest, it would certainly had been around 2055-2060 mark based on the Age Theron would pass for and indeed her actual age at that time of 36 would gave the 2057 date which i think is very likely.

 

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPJan-28-2017 1:26 AM

Danelle and by extension Fox and Insight trusted my judgement with dates, and if they had any queries about them they asked me for my reasoning.

BigDave

DeaconMember10114 XPJan-28-2017 1:41 AM

Thats interesting information ;)

I cant wait until the Franchise is done and we get a series of books dedicated to each department... maybe part of the same set but split into 3 parts...   One Engineers,  TWO Xenomorph and other related Organisms and Black Goo and Third which covers Weyland Yutani includes all their Technology and History

So we can also get a fully detailed look at the Biology and History of the Xenomorph.... but then it depends if they (Fox and Ridley) wish to keep some things a Mystery.

JimmyC

OvomorphMember11 XPJan-30-2017 10:56 PM

Very interesting........ 

rmngrnk

OvomorphMember13 XPJan-31-2017 12:18 PM

IMHO this MU/TH/UR 6000 is bull****

rmngrnk

OvomorphMember13 XPJan-31-2017 12:20 PM

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPJan-31-2017 12:22 PM

The Vickers one is right.

Chicken Xenomorph

OvomorphMember13 XPFeb-02-2017 12:23 AM

Got some extra info on the Deacon

type " Deacon Alien "

deacon alien

As with all Xenomorphs, they gain different characteristics from their hosts. It is important to note how the birth of this creature is different from the majority of Xenomorph births - it was born with arms and legs, while most other Xenomorphs born of humanoid hosts lack legs and arms before maturing. Instead of having a second inner jaw like the Xenomorph, the Deacon had a single set of protrusible jaws more akin to those of the goblin shark, where the upper jaw can unhinge and move forwards. The deacon also lacks bio-mechanical features, exept some ribs showing

 

Centauri

PraetorianMember2267 XPFeb-03-2017 9:35 PM

Theres not alot to Vickers than her being a sturn representation and daughter to Weyland...there has to be more to this.

I suggested on a prior thread that she could be a replicant who doesn't realize she's one, her life boat, her relationship with david...if bladerunner and the alien universe overlaps with one another it would make sense.....but who knows...theres something significant about our speculation.

Siftingthrou

OvomorphMember11 XPFeb-04-2017 12:03 AM

If you type in Predator, it says Classified Data.

Dr. Curt Connors

ChestbursterMember661 XPFeb-04-2017 8:34 PM

So when I searched Prometheus crew it listed David twice and didn't list Janek. Don't know if it was a mess up or not, kinda interesting.

Dr. Curt Connors

ChestbursterMember661 XPFeb-05-2017 7:27 AM

Type in did Ellen Ripley die and MUTHUR says current whereabouts unknown.

Dr. Curt Connors

ChestbursterMember661 XPFeb-05-2017 7:44 AM

Enter number of crew on USCSS Prometheus and it says 17, so that must consist of Peter Weyland and his doctors along with the actual crew.

S.M

XenomorphMember1234 XPFeb-05-2017 11:51 AM

It says 17 crew in the film.

Dr. Curt Connors

ChestbursterMember661 XPFeb-06-2017 6:58 AM

Okay, don't really care much for the movie Prometheus, only watched it twice and the second time was fairly recent. Just a lot of stuff I don't like about it. Thanks for letting me know that that is said in the film.

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