Feb-03-2017 10:47 PM
cant wait to see this, think its an obvious path to go down. id much rather ridley go back to his roots with the suit creatures. iv never been a fan of cgi to do the alien
Feb-03-2017 11:30 PM
@XenoProtoMorph Last year information was released that there would be THREE Noticeably Different Creatures (Adult Grown Aliens) throughout the course of A:C to make their own appearances.
It shall be VERRRY interesting what the Third Alien ends up being. I feel like the Proto (shower scene?) should turn into the Xeno (for this potential fight scene topic). What has been showcased so far is that both species are already so close (design wise) that it would be a waste imho to have the formula be Neo/Proto/Xeno as the Trifecta.. Compared to Neo/Proto Evolves into Xeno/GigerNightmareFuel ^~^
Feb-04-2017 1:47 AM
Very interesting. Aside from the physiological and visual differences between the creatures I'm curious to see how different their behavior, intelligence and instincts are. It would be quite intriguing if one creature does not operate in an animalistic fashion trying to kill everything but rather is curious and not outright belligerent (not like a dog obviously but compared to the ferocity of a Xenomorph).
Feb-04-2017 5:19 AM
Katherine W. said that she was running away from large "ALIENS" in a cumbersome space suit,which I suppose is taking place on covenant in space.There is one shot from the trailer where we see her wearing space suit and holding a gun that would fit with her comment. But how many aliens are there?Are there just neomorphs or just proto-morphs?Or are there both neomorphs and protomorphs?Will there be a fight between them?Idk.We will see when the movie hits the theaters in May 19.
Either way im not really interested in seeing Neomorphs and protomorphs fighting each other.
Since I've read Jon Spaihts' Alien: Engineers,Im just waiting for a scene in future Alien films where an engineer grabs the xeno and tears it in half with ease.The comic books fire and stone and life and death displayed the engineers as badasses you don't mess with.
Feb-04-2017 7:06 AM
@Dr.Swojd, From what I understand the Neomorphs will indeed bleed acid like their biomechanical cousins.
As for yesterday's article, not that Covenant won't involve animatronics and practical effects (it very much will), there were some logistics that needed sorting. Also, I've got an exclusive on the way for you guys and yesterday's article would have dampened its impact. But don't worry, Covenant will be using both CG and practical effects.
Feb-04-2017 7:36 AM
Supposedly there are lots colonists in Cryosleep. Do we think they'll be down on the planet in their chambers or in orbit around the planet? I'm curious to see how they're used as plot devices. It would seem pretty crazy should many of them get infected.
Feb-04-2017 7:43 AM
If this is true, I can only hope we see some of the action. We've seen how the Xenomorph kills humans. We've seen how they kill Predators. We should see how they kill something close to their own species. The Xenomorph is the "perfect organism" and a pure killing machine. And if the Xenomorph is supposed/going to be superior to the Neomorph, watching them fight will be further evidence to that. And finally, if they do have a fight scene I can only say one thing...Let Them Fight.
Feb-04-2017 7:51 AM
This definitely sounds pretty cool to me. Having all three creatures running around would help make this movie stand out from the rest and be scary and exciting to watch. I do think that David is going to modify a Neomorph (by using Walter or Shaw or even his own android DNA) and create the classic xenomorph. It would explain how they get their biomechanical appearance and would help confirm that rumor that the Xenos have hidden abilities that we've never seen concerning how they get around the ship so fast. And explain that line from Aliens when Ripley says "they cut the power," with Hudson replying "what do you mean they cut the power? how did they cut the power? They're animals!"
Feb-04-2017 8:41 AM
Xenos attacking neos would be wild! It would be interesting to know too, the lifespan of both creatures and their nutritional requirements!
Feb-04-2017 3:08 PM
I would be more interested in a trilobite attack. A creative one - in a fully developed and structured chase scene. Not just three seconds of sex...
Feb-04-2017 4:13 PM
So if this is true Walter is not killed to become the biomechamical Xenomorph; I'd imagine he sacrifices himself so Daniels can live. I wander if either David experiments on himself or sacrifices himself?
Feb-04-2017 8:56 PM
I still say that we have seen these types of special effects in other films a few times so the suspense for us as viewers is understandably diminished.
I want to see the film. I want to know what happened to David as well. I already know he kills Walter. I think the trailer made this evident because the ground crew that lands is taken into the Juggernaut and exposed to the alien eggs. I think those eggs got there form Doctor Shaw.
We know for sure that most of the ground crew is wiped out fast by the other new aliens that infect them just from the environment around the ship. They show this clearly in the trailer as well.
Feb-05-2017 8:16 AM
@A L I E N 4 2 6, it will be coming relatively soon. I'm also thrilled to say it's a collaboration with some very respected and crucial individuals who worked on Covenant. Can't wait to share!
As per OP, I too hope we actually see the battle and not just cut away when the Neomorph is ambushed, too. From what I hear the Neomorphs are vicious but not on the same level as the Xenomorph. Think of the Xenomorph as like a Terminator - straight killer with little worry for its own safety. The Neomorphs sound to be more instinctively driven and somewhat spastic. In a confrontation I don't see the Neomorph managing well. I also don't think they have the second jaw the Xenomorph has. Not sure though.
Feb-05-2017 9:13 AM
Myself i would like to say i cant see it, as it would feel a bit to much of a AVP kind of movie, i am not sure its needed.
But i guess if its a Plot Device to allow for the few survivors to escape then i guess it could work.
We have to consider and wander how many crew the Ship has and who we get to see from the cast. I dont want to be too spoilery here.. But if we look at the Characters like this.
Rappace (Shaw) if she plays a small role and if she not alive at the time of the Covenant.
Fassbender (David and Walter) if one or both survive.
Waterston (Daniels) she will likely survive.
McBride (Tennessee) if he survives or last to the end
Franco (Bronson) if he plays a small role.
Pearch (Weyland) plays a small role.
This leaves us with all of these guys...
Crudup, Bichir, Smollett, Latukefu, England, Dean and Scaletti and these 7 Males, we can be certain that 3 die as Hosts, 2X Spores and 1X Chest Buster that we can be sure of.
And from the posted Bloody Jacket from one of the cast, and the Shower Scene we know 2 of these guys die at the hands of the Aliens its just what is the fate of the other TWO?
This means 2X Neomorphs and 1X Xeno (Proto-Xeno)
Then we have these Girls....
Hernandez, Ejogo, Haubrich and Seimetz
And we know from the trailer we can assume TWO of these are for sure dead, and the Shower Scene and other maybe Cave scene does not bold well for the other TWO
So that means a lot of deaths at the hands of the Aliens and who knows what those TWO Cave Bodies was, are they victims of a David/Walter or was they killed by Aliens or even maybe Chest Busted too?
So if thats the case, we have a ratio of Aliens/Humans that does not bold well and so INDEED a way to get rid off/kill a few Aliens would be with a Alien vs Alien Encounter i guess.
Feb-05-2017 9:16 AM
As far as CGI, i think they would be using a lot of Practical effects where possible with CGI over to Gloss it up, but it seems that CGI work will play a role as the Actors well a few had mentioned about the use of Props to give it that real feel when they are acting rather than acting with nothing to use as reference point.
So i expect some scenes they use some basic Props to interact with the cast but these are not detailed at all and will likely be replaced by completely CGI Aliens.
So i think its going to be a mix and match of CGI and Practice effects.
Feb-05-2017 9:31 AM
So i am thinking that as with all the 4Chan and other leaks, regardless what other forums think where it seems some seem to be able to say thats 100% fake, while something similar is 100% legit..
How would they know unless they seen the movie?
So i am on the fence with any such leaks, in total we have had 3 so called leaks... 2 4Chan and 1 is IMDB and while they share some things other things differ.
Which is right which is wrong and why does some parts seem same but other different...?
I am going to say they are all based off Trailer, and maybe 15 minutes extra footage and then all set pieces as photos we have seen both official and leaked and the 4Chan, IMDB and any other leaks are all just speculative plots based around limited information.
Funny that none of them no any of the names of Characters, None of them appart from the limited ones we already know, i hear other Websites have some privy information and can shoot down any theories because of being in the know..
Yet apart from Waterston, Fassbender's Characters who we all know, McBride and Falco's Characters and Seimetz whos name is known from the trailer...
Its funny none of them can name even the Captain's name or even 2-3 other names.... All they have to do is not leak any so called information if they have any.
But just name a few of the Characters... so lets say of Crudrups Character is Captain Smith, and Ejogos is Dr Appleton...
And these Characters are latter confirmed then i guess we can say its Legit... until then i am inclined to not believe any leaks really.
I will attempt to do a trailer analysis that does not add up withe especially the 4Chan Two scoops that in particular AVPGalaxy seem to think is quite legit.
Who knows what is true or not, and with the limited cast and working out who dies for sure, and then pondering who is left we then can work out how many deaths by Aliens and trying to wander when does any die.
So maybe there could be a Alien vs Alien fights as the IMDB link seems to mention it.
Right now i am very much on the fence though.
Feb-06-2017 6:06 AM
First of all, I would like a battle between the xeno and neo, but only if its part of the plot.
Did you mention a lot of chestbursters?
Feb-06-2017 6:44 AM
I think with regards to Chest Busters, it depends how we look at the cast and who likely dies where which could be a bit spoilery and i guess also it depends how many cast are there that we have not seen listed yet.
Like throw away cast like how Prometheus had those Mercs and Mechanics as Canon Fodder.
I think a interesting one would be who are those two bodies in the cave? Are they killed by Aliens or are they Chest Buster victims if they are the latter then that means another TWO Xenomorphs on the rampage against TWO less crew members which would then maybe require more cannon fodder cast (who may not be listed yet) or indeed have a Alien vs Xeno fight to take out some of the Aliens.
Dr. Curt Connors
Feb-06-2017 7:12 AM
Just to go off topic a little bit, does anyone know when there is going to be another trailer? We're about three and a half months away from Alien: Covenant coming out, I would expect another trailer fairly soon.
Feb-06-2017 7:34 AM
Regarding an alien "war"...remember the early shooting footage that was floating around about a yera ago showing a bunch of aliens climbing a pyramid like structure? I think they looked like that had been blasted? There were a bunch of bodies. That could be something to do with the rescue ship and the Xeno/Neo battle?
Feb-06-2017 7:40 AM
I would assume they would be putting some TV-Spots here and there this month. Well maybe by the end of it.
I think for sure maybe at the end of like season 7 Walking Dead which Airs 3rd April? I think maybe they would put in some TV Spots then in shows associated with FOX or shown on FOX
I think March would be a ideal time for a 2nd Trailer, but i hope they dont do too many and they dont start to give too much away like the latter Prometheus ones did.
Feb-06-2017 7:44 AM
This is a scene where Engineers or related beings are being destroyed/punished. By who and when is open for debate, i like to think its something Ancient but then other side of the coin is something done by David.
If this is what you was referring to
Dr. Curt Connors
Feb-06-2017 12:05 PM
@BigDave Sweet, I am looking forward to the new trailer and some TV spots as well! And yeah I agree with you about not wanting to see and know too much.
Feb-06-2017 2:33 PM
If the way this post reads is accurate, this will be quite rewarding to see during the film. Ideally the scene will be as brief as what has been indicated above.
An all out brawl between the two creatures runs the risk of invoking memories of AVP and Jurassic world. However, the above post frames this as a scene of murder amidst chaos. It even seems we may only see as much as a xeno arm or tail tear through a neo before the scene moves on. It would certainly be a tasteful dose of foreshadowing on Ridley's part.
Feb-07-2017 9:05 AM
The only way it can work i think is a Plot Device, like we have seen in a number of movies before, particularly Dinosaur ones which include those from the 60's and 70's
And so such a event would give a break for the Humans to be able to do a runner and Escape.
If this is the first glimpse of a Xenomorph were this creature comes out of the shadows and attacks a Neomorph that allows for Daniels and who ever to escape, then if its brief scene then i think it could work.
As for if its going to be in the movie? Who knows, i guess not many do apart from those who have seen a screening or actually have information on the draft or know people who have either.
The AVPGalaxy forum seems to shoot down a lot of theories and ideas, but i see they are just in the dark as anyone really.. Unless someone wants to Put their money where Mouth is... which if they have genuine insider information i guess this is something they cant do... other than to call it just BS.
I think only time will tell, i feel a lot of the movie is spoiled as it is and i think with any Neomorph vs Xenomorph Scene, we have to ask what would be the purpose?
The only conclusion would be.
1) To show us which is the greater threat.
2) To allow a break that would then allow any Humans to escape.
As for if there is such a scene, we really cant say. There may not be, there could be. Only those who are in the know may be able to answer that.
We had 4Chan and there ever evolving as we go along Plot, and IMDB that is similar in some areas and different in others.
And i am calling both Partially BS... and merely speculative synopsis explanation based on 15 Minutes Footage and Trailers with other information we have seen released both officially or UN-officially.
The other Logical way to ponder would a Neo vs Xeno scene happen would be to look at the Cast Body-count... who becomes a Host, and who then becomes Toast...
In the Timeline of the movie so 2104 and ignoring David/Walter we have 16 Human Colonists who we may see in this movie.
Speculation on James Franco's role/outcome and also what role would Goran D. Kleut play.
So this leaves for certain 14 cast members who will face the horrors of Covenant... Right now we know TWO survive to the End or last action scene at the very least.
We know there are at least TWO Aliens, One Neomorph and one Xenomorph related, is it likely these TWO will hunt down the cast together? Who knows.
So if we take the 15 minutes footage this expands on there are at least TWO Neomorphs, we have to assume at least ONE Xenomorph and so that means 3 cast members bit the dust.
Without going into spoiler territory the trailer gives too much away and if indeed the Covenant Crew we will see in the movie is only 15 members and a Synthetic then it really limits the whole Aliens vs Humans Ratio.... especially if we consider More than One get onto the Covenant.
If we look deep into this, then it leaves us with a possibility of a Neomorph and Xenomorph interaction but how would this work out.. who knows.
Feb-07-2017 9:10 AM
So whether we are going to be treated to a Xenomorph and Neomorph within so many Meters of each other is unknown at this point.
Would fans want to see interaction between the TWO?
Would they Co-exist?
or would they Fight for territory, or prey and are they pre-programed to Procreate and would another species be a threat to this?
So regardless if we see any Neomorph and Xenomorphs in close proximity or not, its certainly interesting to ponder what the outcome of them being close to each other would be.
If we never see any such scenes... i am sure it would still be a subject of debate for us to ponder how would they interact and if they would be hostile to each other, who would have the upper hand.
Feb-07-2017 10:21 AM
I'm suggesting David does it. What kind of life do we have on the planet? There should be life, because the spores exist. If a spore gets into a human, does that imply a neomorph? What happens to a neomorph when it gets a spore? What if the black goo is a decoction of the spores? Anyway, if the Xenos are designed for warfare, wouldn't it make sense to create a xeno to remove the current threat of life on the planet? That would be David's role. But I'm not sure where he would get an egg.
Apr-07-2017 11:41 PM
This is a beluga xenomorph not a neomorph adult the beluga xenomorph is the original form of the xenomorph adult and the xenomorphs you see in the first four movies are weaponized versions of the beluga xenomorph modified by the engineers the original facehuggers were called octo facehuggers and they were to appear in the film alien engineers which was the movie to come out but it was scrapped and replaced with Prometheus and you can find the information about the neomorph and beluga xenomorph on the wiki or the fandom app for avp which has alien and predator information and the beluga xenomorph is white boneless and it can change shape and form so it can get into tight places like squeeze under doors and the beluga xenomorph is boneless unlike the black xenomorphs which are covered in black rigid exoskeletons.
Apr-08-2017 12:30 AM
ahh Mr H reviews. Dude has an awesome scary voice!! Which one you guys is him?!
Im now sold on the Neomorphs blank face. Nice creepy and Alien concept. As if the Xenos eyeless "face" wasn't enough, they're now taken it up a step lol!