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Fox reportedly looking to reboot Alien franchise with a new timeline!?

Fox reportedly looking to reboot Alien franchise with a new timeline!?

20th Century Fox are reportedly looking to reboot the Alien franchise with a completely new timeline and a brand new set of characters, according to sources close to the studio. During an interview with Steve Weintraub of Collider at San Diego Comic-Con, Steve revealed he was informed that Fox's original plans for the Prometheus spin-off series (assuming Covenant was a box office hit) were that there was to be one additional film after Covenant that would tie everything back into Ridley Scott's original 1979 Alien film and then following that film, Fox would then divert their attention to establishing a completely new timeline, set well after the events of the original Alien series, complete with a new set of characters and locations:

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I think the original plan was after Covenant, assuming it was going to be a box office hit, that they were gonna make one more movie that connected to the original Alien. Then after that they were gonna jump, I heard, into the future, past all the movies we've known into sort of like, a new timeline so you could start again, with new characters, new predicaments, whatever it may be and start these movies at maybe a lower budget and basically continue doing Alien movies but not worry about David (Michael Fassbender) and all the other stuff.

He then goes on to address the THR report which we touched on recently, concerning Fox's reassessment of the franchise due to the lacking box office performance - adding that he doesn't know if they will pursue another film right away, but that if they do, it will be handled with a significantly lower budget compared to Prometheus and Covenant.

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We already knew that Fox were planning to establish other films in the Alien universe. In fact, the original plans for Prometheus 2 were to be up to 3 tangent storylines, one following David and Shaw, one following the new crew and an additional one exploring more of the Engineer culture. The story was going to focus more so on the expansion of the Engineer / Human stroyline and less on the Xenomorph origins, but we did not know Fox were planning on setting up a new timeline after the events of Alien: Resurrection.

Essentially this would be a soft reboot of the entire franchise, while maintaining the history established by the previous Alien films. This is also probably why Blomkamp's Alien 5 has been placed in cryo-sleep for the time being, while Fox figure out their next move for the franchise.

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Regardless of the direction they choose to take for the next film, there's no denying a connection needs to be made between Alien: Covenant and the 1979 original AlienCovenant ended with a major cliffhanger and if Fox decide to ignore that connection and start fresh with a new timeline, who knows how the fan base will react. The U-turn they took with Covenant should be a clear signal for where the sequel should go - immediately following Covenant. Finish the story before starting something new. It's unfortunately to think we may never explore more of the Engineer story, despite Scott's claims of Alien: Awakening doing so.

What do you think of these potential plans Fox have for the franchise? Are you open to a new timeline? Are you more interested in exploring the Engineer origins and mankind's connection? Or, do you just want to see more Aliens and marines battling it out on a space station? Break the mold or stick to the tried and true? Let us know your thoughts and opinions in the comments section below!

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50 Fan responses to Fox reportedly looking to reboot Alien franchise with a new timeline!?

MrHreviews

Jul-28-2017 11:39 AM

quite the misleading title there, there are no plans to reboot the franchise with a new timeline, that implies fox had plans to wipe the original movies from continuity. 

the plans were, continue the timeline, as is, but with a different story, with different people, further down the line, or, concurrently with what had already been established in the movies to date. 

MrHreviews

Jul-28-2017 11:39 AM

quite the misleading title there, there are no plans to reboot the franchise with a new timeline, that implies fox had plans to wipe the original movies from continuity. 

the plans were, continue the timeline, as is, but with a different story, with different people, further down the line, or, concurrently with what had already been established in the movies to date. 

Membrane

Jul-28-2017 11:45 AM

I still get upset thinking about 'Alien: Covenant'.  In particular, the very poor, 3 minute attempt to connect to 'Prometheus' and the (basically) lack of Engineers.

That being said, I do want the story to be finished so I hope we get a movie between 'A:C' and the original 'Alien'.

Chris

Jul-28-2017 11:54 AM

@MrHreviews, Not misleading at all. "Fox REPORTEDLY looking to reboot franchise with a NEW timeline", I even copied the quote verbatim. The timeline would be set well after the events of the original Alien series, is what was said - ignoring David "and all that stuff". So, yeah it would be a soft reboot, establishing NEW characters and NEW predicaments. Nothing here implies the existing timeline would be wiped, I explain so in the article.

MrHreviews

Jul-28-2017 11:57 AM

I know, I read your editorial. 
we agree to disagree on what is misleading it seems. 

MrHreviews

Jul-28-2017 12:03 PM

though an update, I already have people tweeting me having ONLY read the title and they believe fox plans to reboot the franchise entirely. so yes, misleading. 

Chris

Jul-28-2017 12:18 PM

Again, I'm careful with the terminology I use. If people refuse to educate themselves and read why the title is the way it is, that's their loss. But the title is reflective of the editorial content and thus, not misleading. According to Collider, Fox are planning a soft reboot of the franchise, with or without a Covenant sequel it seems. It's not a remake, it's a soft reboot. And it is "reportedly" so, according to a third party source, and not an official Fox statement. The "?!" also adds a sense of exclamation and questioning to the phrase. I don't structure my articles for lazy readers lol It takes less than a minute to read a couple paragraphs and become aware of the topic. This is a blog, not Twitter. I have more than 125 characters to elaborate on subject matter, so I do.

MrHreviews

Jul-28-2017 12:23 PM

trying to help you :) 
also, I messaged you about deleting my profile, can you do that please. 

Hudson25

Jul-28-2017 12:25 PM

Anytime I hear the term "reboot" I cringe.  As much as I love this series, I feel like we're on a slippery slope towards exhausting this franchise to the point of embarrassment (yes I'm talking about you Terminator Franchise).  All I want at this point is for them to realize the mistakes they have taken with these prequels and finally deliver the story that was supposed to be told..."The Engineers and their relationship to the Alien."  After seeing Covenant, my expectations have been considerably lowered for what they plan to do next especially with the same players involved, that being the execs at Fox and Ridley. 

At this point, I would rather see the Alien 5 that Blomkamp was touting and give something most fans would enjoy going to see.  I hate the fact they pushed his movie aside in favor of what we got in Alien: Covenant.  What a waste of an opportunity!  

cuponator3000

Jul-28-2017 12:25 PM

It is an interesting time to be a fan of this franchise... First off, I think that they NEED to finish this storyline. I mean, as Chris said, the reaction to Covenant's jump in time and mostly disregarding of Prometheus has left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouth. Combine that with the mixed-to-negative overall reaction of the film itslelf... It was a misfire of sorts. If there is truth to what this person close to The Studio is saying, then hopefully they stick with their original idea to do one more movie before moving on to something different. End this storyline with a few more concrete answers and give Fassbender and Scott one more chance to have fun with the character of David, some cosmic horror, and grand mythological ideas.

Now, I like the idea of more movies. Starting way after Ressurection is also cool becasue the history stays inact and now here is another chance to really build something more cohesive and.. trusted (Fox keeps having these knee-jerk reactions to Ridley Scott's forays back into the Alien franchise.)

I am definitely all for (although it is a lilttle bit cliche at this point) a new franchise or connected universe that brings in mulitple writing teams, directors, etc.. Most importantly though, I think this kind of thing would require a continuity team or something (similiar to what Disney has for Star Wars with... Pablo Hidalgo leading it, I think?.) The disconnect between viral marketing, films, behind the scenes tidbits, interview statements, and books is bonkers with these prequel stories. I mean, damn! That was also sort of an issue with the sequels to Alien (so far) because they were basically fresh starts everytime.

Still though, it would be cool  if Ridley Scott kind of sat on a throne and was, like, a Producer for all of the new sequels (IF this does end up happening one day.) He should still contribute, because a lot of his big picture ideas and the themes present in Prometheus and Covenant are awesome (so he might help some of the projects along with one or two dynamite ideas), but he can still direct plenty of other projects while having a chance to influence new Alien movies. 

Chris

Jul-28-2017 12:28 PM

No worries at all haha, just explaining why the title is structured the way it is. :) Regarding your profile, I'll discuss via PM.

Walter

Jul-28-2017 12:46 PM

Is it 100% sure?I want the prequel trilogy by Scott.And every other alien movie by Scott.

KingKaijuGojira

Jul-28-2017 2:42 PM

Whatever works. If they made a new timeline I'd be ok as long as everything still fits canonically.

joylitt

Jul-28-2017 3:17 PM

That is the right thing to do. Everything has a cycle. However, if this new timeline is going to acknowledge all that came before, I don't see why the Engineers couldn't be part of this new timeline.

BigDave

Jul-28-2017 3:33 PM

I can see why people could think the title is misleading...

I dont think FOX have Officially come out and mentioned anything regarding the future of the Franchise, its only the supposed Hollywood Reporter Sources.  Which we have to not read to much into.

Only RS who has made comments about the Future and sometimes he appears to be completely lost in what he is saying as he can mention one thing ONE time and then ANOTHER the next time, so we have to Question if RS or FOX have any idea where they are going.. or is it all a case of make it up and change as they go along?

Ridley Scott had said when he was working on the Martian that they will return to the Prometheus/Alien Franchise again and he has 1-2 Movies planned that will explore the burning Questions from Prometheus and also those left from Alien.

Then when he announced Alien Paradise Lost, which then a few weeks latter became Alien Covenant he had mentioned the plans were to make a New Trilogy that would directly link to Alien, and that he hoped to make 2-3 more movies before we get to the Back End of Alien.

It seems this was still the Plan after Alien Covenant was released, it appeared RS had intended to do another TWO movies after Alien Covenant that would link back to Alien.

He also had said that he was taking a Page from the Star Wars books and George Lucas as far as how to expand the Franchise, and this may be ambiguous but RS did say he feels they do another 6 Alien Movies.

RS then did come out and say that they will be making another TWO movies to link to Alien, and that after that they could do more HOWEVER.. that these Movies have to be about HIM (The Xenomorph) you cant go and do prequels to the prequels and you cant do Parallel stories but you a have to follow a direct thread, a single peice of thread that revolves around HIM (The Xenomorph).  This seemed to tell me that they was intending on having the set of prequels after Alien Covenant as driving directly in the Time Line from 2104 ==> 2122 well from the end of Alien Covenant right to the Derelict/Space Jockey of Alien.

RS did mention they could EVOLVE HIM (The Xenomorph)

A concern from around this time however is RS hinted they could De-age Miss Weaver to introduce Ripley again... which is a bit of a Mess unless they intended to give us a alternative Sequel to Alien or Aliens.... thus discounting some of the Original Movies like Blomkamps idea would have.

RS had latter still said they could do another 6 Movies and that they could go the whole War of the Worlds with this Franchise, that was what he wanted but he joked FOX dont know that yet.

And so we then come to FOX, they are the ones who will determine what happens next, especially considering how Alien Covenant did not do too well... so indeed its likely they have some re-assessing to do... regardless if the Hollywood Reporter link is true or not..

Centauri

Jul-28-2017 4:03 PM

idk 

but.. 

At least here at Scified, we have the animated series and forum :D  

A great way for fans to see some of their theories come to life.

Episode 2 is on its way guys! hang in there! 

BigDave

Jul-28-2017 4:05 PM

So ultimately who knows what FOX plans are....

There is the posibility of a Reboot, but will they reboot the whole Prequels, as if Prometheus and Alien Covenant did not happen? The only way this would make sense is if FOX are very disappointed with the Angle of David and the Engineers look and connections to our Creation..... for some Fans this would be GREAT...   for others who enjoyed the Big Questions Prometheus was trying to answer... it would be a Injustice.

If they abandon Prometheus and Alien Covenant, and ignore the Prequels or Reboot them and these movies also FAIL to achieve what the Original TWO did (Alien and Aliens) then i feel the Franchise would have become a complete joke.. This does not matter if the Franchise is not to be taken serious like the Nightmare on Elm Street Movies.... but the Friday the 13th ones were to be taken Serious and look what a joke they became.

FOX need to stick with the Plot set out from Prometheus and Alien Covenant, the Question is did their plans mean TWO Movies and how do they then condense down this to a SINGLE Movie that links before Alien and how much of those Questions from Alien do they answer or leave ambiguous and what reaction would the Fans have?

The Fanbase is so wide now as far as personnel likes and dislikes that they are not going to please every single Fan... so they need to take what the Fans want and THROW IT IN THE BIN!

They need to not Cave into bringing a Ripley Connection...

They need to sit down and Answer the Following and then work out TWO movies or a 3 hour one that will cover these.

*So are we sticking with David creating those Eggs? If not we need to show that he has perfected them and his perfections do-not lead to the Derelict.  But then they have the choice, do they answer what happened to the Derelict, or leave it ambiguous.  Because if they U-Turn and the Eggs on the Derelict are not from Davids experiments... they face having to explain the Derelict Eggs to some degree, do they do this and keep some mystery or do they have to Spoon Feed and show us what happened... like Alien Covenant does not Spoon Feed us what happened to Dr Shaw, only the outcome... Dr Shaw's Corpse is thus just as the Space Jockeys was in Alien... do the fans need to see the Space Jockey getting those Eggs and getting Face Hugged... If THEY change it that David did not create those Eggs?

*If they stick with David creating the Eggs and these or something from these lead to the Eggs on the Derelict, then THEY have to sit down and Pen Down and Stick too... a way they intend to eventually show us this.  Which will envolve showing the Space Jockey Events... and if they intend to tell this over TWO movies they have to Back and Stick with this TWO movie plan, even if the first part proves to be a Flop, they cant leave it a mystery or do a U-Turn... if they are concerned of this Scenario then they have to fit this whole connection into ONE MOVIE

*The Engineers, they need to plan how they are to introduce them back into the Time Line Prior Alien in 2122 and Post Alien Covenant.  And they then have to address how this happens, RS teased some Engineers Return to Paradise/Planet 4 and so no doubt they are going to be Pretty Pissed Off!!! and want to find the Culprit and Prevent any more of this (Humans and Androids being able to meddle with Engineers Tech and the Black Goo).  So if some of these Engineers are to arrive at the place where David is off too, and all Hell Breaks Lose... FOX/RS need to bare in mind the Outcome of this, how it connects to the Space Jockey and Stick to their GUNS.... If such a Plot Needs TWO Movies then Stick to it, treat the Next TWO movies just like the Last Harry Potter where the next one has to continue the same Plot...DIRECTLY... or again condense it  into ONE MOVIE

We do not need to be told in any real Detail what David did prior to Alien Covenant, or what happened to Shaw or even any in depth details of the Engineers Agenda and Plans...  They can keep some of this a Mystery.

They can then Gauge the Reaction to the next 1-2 Movies about David going off with those Face Huggers and nearly 2000 Colonist and Embryos and off to maybe Origae-6 where no doubt they will eventually be intercepted by some other Humans, and Engineers....  And then how the aftermath of this Event leads to a Engineer Ship Returning back to the Zeta 2 System and ending up on LV-426

Depending how this is received FOX can then cover other movies to answer the Questions about the Engineers, or they could proceed with bringing Ripley back... but i fail to see the Need other than that RIPLEY, XENOMORPHS AND THE QUEEN are all what The Public would connect when you Mention the Alien Movies.... so like if this was a Question on Family Feud/Fortunes where they asked 100 people about what comes to mind with the Alien Franchise and they wanted the Top 5 Answers... these 3 will no doubt be in the Top 3

While these are the THINGS the Casual Public would associate with the Movies, they need to not crack in and think they need to reintroduce them all to make ALIEN Movies make $$$$

But i do Fear this is what FOX will most likely do....

Also FOX have not backed Alien Covenant as well as they needed, $97M is not much for a Block Buster Attempt... looking at Prometheus they needed with inflation to be looking at $140-150M, if they are going to make another Movie and they are reluctant with the Budget but intend to bring back Ripley using Miss Weaver, she could and likely will hold out for a Big Pay Check, and would cost more than casting the Alien Covenant Survivors and Guy Pearce Combined and thats without the cost of Digital De-aging.  This cost a lot of money in Rogue One (Tarkin) and Terminator Genisys (T-800) and while they made passable results, they did not have much screen time and so having to CGI like that a Character who would appear in say 50% of all Scenes would be more expensive and such things would have a detrimental effect on other Budget for other Stuff

We can clearly see where a extra $30-40M for AC could have helped especially with the Xenomorph and Neomorph.

Lawrence of Arabia

Jul-28-2017 4:06 PM

As long as they don't retcon a thing and Scott gets to properly finish his prequels, I'm great. FOX would be the biggest douche not to give Scott, the creator of this universe,the respect he deserves and let him finish his tale uncompromised. The film didn't blow up the box office but it didn't flop either and I'm sure they are making a lot of money in merchandise and then we got the home video release coming up. The film was also critically acclaimed. It would upset a lot of people if the prequels go unfinished.

BigDave

Jul-28-2017 4:14 PM

So they have to at LEAST give us a Alien Covenant Sequel, and decide are they going for or against Davids Experiments leading to the Eggs on the Derelict... and the Derelict/Space Jockey thus being a Event some up to 10 years prior to ALIEN?

If they choose to U-Turn and have it David just Re-created or Evolved what the Engineers had came across or created Thousands of years earlier, then as long as they State David Re-created it and give details to how the Engineers had seen/obtained similar in the past... then Job Done... they can get away with not Spoon Feeding the Space Jockey Event.

After this..... they then need to consider what Fans want to see and will have no Need to Rush into doing any more movies Unless...

They intend to have then set around. Ripley or David again... i would rather they End Davids journey in the Next movie, or Next TWO if they go the TWO Part route.

And then explore something different.... But i think FOX will still think the Franchise is about the XENOMORPH and trying anything a bit different could still give fans something to complain about.... For Some Fans only BLOMKAMPS ALIEN 5 would do...

But if FOX went with this (instead of a Prometheus sequel) and it Failed to do well, this could have spelt a bit of Doom as far as a Prometheus Sequel...

If it was a Major Success again it could spelt Doom for a Prometheus Sequel.

Imagine it now.... regardless if IMDB etc gave Alien 5 a 6/10 or 60-65%  as long as say the Budget of lets say $110-120M (which with Weaver i think FOX would at least risked that) and if a say $110-120M Budget returned a say $350-400M Box Office.

This would no doubt have led to a Alien 6, with Ripley again and Alien 7 with Ripley again and over and over...

But i think with FOX its about $$$$$ and if this makes them more Money, then potentially they could make the Prequels tie into Ripley and the Xenomorph and then do another few with them... which for a lot of the Fans would be Overcooking it.

Ati

Jul-28-2017 4:16 PM

Lawrence of Arabia

Jul-28-2017 4:21 PM

I hope to God they don't do Neil's fanfic drivel. After David's tale is properly finished, start up after Resurrection with a whole new cast. If they NEED Ripley do Ripley 8 and end her story and pass on the torch. Retconing 3 and 4 would be a travesty and you can't take a franchise seriously if they callously erase established films, its uncreative. 

BigDave

Jul-28-2017 4:23 PM

Indeed i hope they dont Ret-con a thing... doing so to the Prequels would be BAD... doing so to Aliens would be quite BAD too.

Alien 3 on wards i think as a alternative continuation from Aliens could work, but i think if they go this route and it does better than the Prequels... we could see a Alien 5, Alien 6 etc and then see Miss Weaver in Alien movies at the age of 75-80.

I would rather them do a Blomkamp as far as maybe offer a alternative to Alien 3, but do so where Miss Weaver does not have a massive role, and one where she clearly passes on the Torch.  I would rather see her return more in a diplomatic kind of Role kind of like Princess Leia from The Force Awakens Crossed with Ripley from Aliens as far as the first half of the movie.   What i mean is i dont think she should be no more evolved than Harrison Fords was as Han Solo in Force Awakens and maybe give her a similar Send Off (i.e She Dies) so the Torch can be passed.

I dont want to see her at 77 years old walking around in a Powerloader trying to Kick Queen Ass....

I would rather FOX  get the Prequels done, and then try something similar, either Parallel to Alien Timeline of 2122-2179 that could involve Paradise/Planet 4 or LV-223 or something that comes from these places...  or even if its a Mission to LV-223 set between the events of Prometheus and Alien.

But i think FOX will just go back to making another movie or TWO after the Prequels again about the Xenomorph and no doubt Ripley...

ALIEN1979

Jul-28-2017 4:28 PM

From the original post here quoting Fox statement I dont see any attempt to reboot the alien franchise but rather continue the franchise after aliens or alien resurrection.

A reboot would mean to ignore Alien, redesign the creature.

I really hope the Alien we saw in AC was a variant which David created based on what he found from the engineers.

I dislike David being the creator of the alien. It's ok that he recreated it but i hope the biomechanic one should be created way before him.

Alien Covenant failed because it was neither a proper sequel to Prometheus nor a proper prequel to Alien.

It was a lackluster b movie with a movie vusuals.

Lawrence of Arabia

Jul-28-2017 4:33 PM

If Ripley has a happily ever after ending after Aliens, it defeats the nihilistic tone this franchise needs. I don't want Alien to be a superhero franchise. I loved 3 for taking the franchise back into the darkness. Newt, Hicks, and Bishop death were heartbreaking but effective and fit Alien. The dog/ox Xeno added more to the mythos. I love Resurrection for being experimental and bringing the erotism back to the forefront. The Newborn was a fantastic concept. Each film adds another layer to the franchise and it would be a shame to just erase them. That's my opinion though. 

Ati

Jul-28-2017 4:38 PM

'Each film adds another layer to the franchise and it would be a shame to just erase them.' - True.

BigDave

Jul-28-2017 4:41 PM

@Lawrence of Arabia

Totally agree...  the Question is HOW do we do this?

If they have a Movie set after Alien Resurrection, no doubt FOX will want to make sure it makes a Good Return and no Doubt would want to Introduce the Xenomorph ...Once Again.... and Ripley 8... and as you said Ripley 8 would have to Look Younger?

Not necessarily

Not if they explore the Xenomorph Life Cycle as after a length of time they simply Die Out... it has been said the Xenomorph had a 4-5 Day Life Span.... Maybe Ripley 8 inherited this Trait?

They simply could do a Miss Weaver with some CGI De-aging for  a few Scenes, but then have her given similar effect to what was happening to Holloway

They could get away with this and her Age as being a affect of Shutting Down/Breaking Down.....

Which if Ripley 8 is caught up by the Company or Call (as Winona Ryder still looks very young for her age) decide to try and protect Ripley 8 by putting her into Cryo-Sleep and then conduct some experiment or something that is able to Halt the Breaking Down/Death Mechanism of the Xenomorph DNA.

Then Ripley 8 could be revived at a latter point and be played by a older Miss Weaver, i would like to see her Sacrificed though as i dont want to see her being used for Movie after Movie.

And so maybe the company find a LV-223 Urn or some other way Ripley 8 ends up being exposed and her DNA then broken down and Harvested so the Company can then make some Super Humans from.

I think this would work as a Fresh Take on a Sequel.... have it that this Process however also leads to some Hybrid that is more Xeno DNA than Human....

So we end up with Super Human like Ripley 8 clones that do not have to be 100% in her likeness especially if her broken down DNA is used to Create a Hybrid or Infect a Human Egg or even a Human.

It also allows for a Hybrid Xenomorph that is like a cross between a Neomorph and a Human, which could have a procreation Method that passes on more Xeno DNA instead of Human so its off-spring look more closer to say a Neomorph.

This ^^^^ i think could work.... and this actually would be something i would consider if i was to make a Alien 5 myself.

joylitt

Jul-28-2017 4:42 PM

"Essentially this would be a soft reboot of the entire franchise, while maintaining the history established by the previous Alienfilms. This is also probably why Blomkamp's Alien 5 has been placed in cryo-sleep for the time being, while Fox figure out their next move for the franchise."

I don't think this analysis suggests Fox plans to erase anything.

Lawrence of Arabia

Jul-28-2017 4:53 PM

joylitt

I understand that lol I'm saying Neil's film would erase 3&4. I'd be cool with a soft reboot after the properly finish David's tale.

BigDave

That's a great idea. Ripley doesn't necessarily need to be de-aged. Clones usually have short lifespans anyways ala Metal Gear and yes to the Xeno DNA playing a factor as well. 

Dr. Curt Connors

Jul-28-2017 4:56 PM

Three words, ha ha ha

BigDave

Jul-28-2017 4:56 PM

I totally agree that the Prequels need to be finished first, and then any movie set after would be better if it did not deal with Ripley but something else.

And certainly trying to Ret-con Alien or Aliens would be a mistake, even Alien 3...  as far as Alien Resurrection i think that is nothing major if its Ret-conned...

A think to remember is after Alien R, Prometheus introduced the Black Goo, or even the Sacrificial Goo.... as if the company had the Black Goo then why would they need the hassle of cloning Ripley.... which i found was a major flaw for Alien R

If they got some Sacrificial Goo, and had Ripleys DNA but failed to get a Clone.... surely introducing the Sacrificial Goo to Ripleys DNA and then the results of this to a Human would give some Results.

They do not need to Ret-con nothing though.... as clearly its shown that the experiments on LV-223 lead to a Xenomorph or are connected, regardless if the Black Goo used by David created the Xenomorph or the Black Goo used by the Engineers did and David just Re-creates it... or regardless if the Xenomorph predates the Black Goo.

The Black Goo is still THE KEY to exploring a Future movie, they indeed have options.... because from Alien it was shown the Eggs were only located on the Derelict, and after Aliens we can safely assume there are no Eggs to Harvest from LV-223 Hence the reason the company was interesting in Ripley in Alien 3 and then attempts to Clone her in Alien R.

Why if they can obtain the Xenomorph elsewhere?

But as of Alien R and prior to Prometheus, we did not know where the Xenomorph came from, where those Eggs came from.. and so it was open that where ever those Eggs had came from, there could be MORE out there.

Since the First TWO prequels...  we are left with the following possibilities.

*LV-223 this place still has Black Goo

*Paradise/Planet 4 this place still has Eggs and the Spores and maybe Black Goo

*The Covenant Ship and Origae-6 surely these connect to David and how the Xenomorph evolves from just TWO Xenomorph Face Hugger Embryos to Thousands of Eggs on the Derelict. And so by Alien are the only remains of those Eggs on LV-426? what happened to the Rest.

NEVER-MIND.... the other things the Franchise has expanded upon which includes the Companies, AI and Engineers etc

The Scope for something Fresh is there.... But i feel FOX will only be interesting in Feeding us More XENOMORPHS with a dash of Ripley ;)

BigDave

Jul-28-2017 5:02 PM

Ha Ha   Dr Connor thats potentially just ONE WORD ;)

Edit...

Or indeed 3 Words

1) Three

2) Words

3) Ha

So i take it back lol

Centauri

Jul-28-2017 5:19 PM

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Centauri

Jul-28-2017 5:27 PM

 

Batchpool

Jul-28-2017 7:48 PM

I don’t particularly have a problem with the title of this thread. In fact I find it quite revealing. It is quite obvious that Fox have look at the options open regarding how the franchise could develop. But first I will address the brass facts of the whole operation. When Prometheus was released, it managed to pull in a nice tidy sum that would secure production of another instalment. The returns in 2012 indicated that there was plenty of revenue to be gained by proceeding further in producing more instalments.

Well here we are in 2017, looking at what the hell happened in terms of what revenue should have been generated from Alien Covenant.

At some point, something went tits up. That may be the first impression anyone gets by looking at the returns from the latest instalment. The reality is that there has been a cumulative problem building up since the release of Prometheus.

I personally like Alien Covenant as a middle of the road action Sci-fi movie. What is wrong with that? I wanted to see it in a cinema. I was prepared to put my hand in my pocket and enjoy the ride, which I did. I am not saying it was the pinnacle of Sci-fi movie going experiences but I enjoyed it non the less. If you have a problem with that then fuck off. My opinion on what entertains me is not going to be dictated to by anyone else’s opinion but my own.

Yes, there are certain aspects of AC I would call into question, because it is not a perfect movie. There are those moments when it is like watching a fly belching, simply because you know it is the same shit repeating. When it comes to contemplating on the residual odour of a farting house fly, then there is something that does not smell right about AC.

Since the release of Prometheus there has been a decline in cinematic viewers, so less bums on seat. 2016 was one of the worst years ever for incoming revenue from cinema goers in general. It was predicted and anticipated that 2017 would be a bad year for returns. So why in the name of Satan’s fucking gonads is there such furore about the performance of AC ?  Some point at performances being flatter than a witches tit. At the point of release back in May, trying to find a positive review on any movie was as likely as getting a blow job off the Pope.

I don’t know who is responsible for marketing at Fox, but it is like someone read through The Dummies Guide of How and When Not to Release a Movie, took onboard the guidelines and completely ignored them.

AC could not have been released at a worst time. Some village somewhere is missing it’s idiot and Fox need to release them from whatever contractual obligations they have them signed up for.

On the plus side, if there is one positive aspect that has been proven is that there is still life in the old franchise yet. Despite all the negativity, there still exists a revenue stream. The bottom line is quite simple, when the Fox execs have had their group therapy sessions with the accountants at Vogon HQ, There is still a hardcore interest in fans who want to see more.

Just look at what AC has had to compete with. On one hand there are those who wanted to see more from the Alien universe, whilst on the other, there are those who wanted to put their hands in their pockets and grab their loose change to watch the leading roles of Wonder Woman bounce across a big screen.

At this point it really does not matter who liked AC. Fox have been thinking things through, and we must acknowledge their forward thinking. Fox know what opportunities could lie ahead. Looking at the broad strokes, there will be a new instalment, but jumping a little further ahead, if Fox are looking at the option of a major re-boot, all I have have to say is this. Blomkamp! Grab yer coat! I think you’ve pulled.

Dr. Curt Connors

Jul-28-2017 7:52 PM

Hahaha,  Thanks Big Dave

Apacheizm

Jul-28-2017 8:32 PM

This was one of the worst, if not the worst movie of 2017. What a major disappointment. They outta let BigDave and Chris from SciFied produce the next movie regardless of which way they want to go. I am sure it would of been better than the crapola of a flick covenant was. If I had the $$$$ I would try and sway Fox in some way or another to make sure to get the next one rite!

Jay Johns

Jul-29-2017 2:41 AM

And when they release the AA I hope they DON'T GIVE TOO MUCH AWAY MONTHS BEFORE THE RELEASE OF THE MOVIE. And stay clear of Ripley and Neil Blomkamp. 

Michelle Johnston

Jul-29-2017 4:29 AM

Chris

"In serial fiction, to reboot means to discard all continuity in an established series in order to recreate its characters, timeline and backstory from the beginning".

This is why some would consider the title misleading. It does not concern me and I know we are talking about a new story elsewhere in the ALIEN UNIVERSE but the word reboot means start again for many.  

Covenant was an entertaining routine movie which within the overarching story was a filler movie. 

Reading the internet its clear this issue of what comes next and questioning the prequels continuation has now developed momentum which with continual repetition creates its own reality.

If Fox believe they can take the Xeno morph and make it the centre of a franchise to rival Star Wars they are mistaken. Real horror narrows it down and the creature itself has nothing more to reveal unless you wanna know whether the pipes on its back are for snorkelling.

The misreading of the Prometheus feedback is the real issue and its taken them to make a  routine ALIEN prefix movie to see that.

If I was Fox and I wanted to get some momentum into the franchise for the 16-25 year old North American and Asian audience I would after a long pause restart with a completely new set of characters free from all the Ripleyism's and Davidism's and just take some of the themes from the earlier films.

What Prom and Covenant demonstrate is they are weighed down and boxed in with so many preconceived needs (we are, we are not making a prequel to Alien, oh yes we are) including those of the director, they come out incoherent and muddled. We know about the movements that went on when Prometheus was being filmed we know about the tortuous path taken from 2013 to 2015 all of that demonstrates uncertainty which a brand new storyline with a coherent over arching narrative would not suffer from.

   

 

   

Capt Torgo

Jul-29-2017 7:42 AM

Whatever Michelle says has got my vote, although I appreciate Apacheizm for speaking out bluntly! Good movies gain steam after opening and box office matters greatly Batchpool. Unless Ridley did some drastic changes which I doubt then a later release means nothing better would result, imo. I don't care which way Fox rolls just give me believable characters and a coherent plot without the pretentiousness. The cash is there in the general public to buy into the franchise but.......Fox has to broaden their approach to find (great script) and (new creative but competent director). Who that director is idk but it's not Scott! Finish up the prequels or take a break, do it much cheaper with new characters is fine, David killed by xenos along with the Ripley clone and cowboy hat. Covenant made such a mess killing Prometheus (Shaw+ engineers)  that Awakening/WarWorlds might not be even reasonable. 

airshaft_surprise

Jul-29-2017 5:43 PM

This is what i reckon needs doing, do alien:awakening, warts and all, with engineer elders returning, chase david with walts help, take the battle back to the zeta2 system to tie it back(no david creating original bio-mech alien, that derelict is thousands of years old) in with alien(79).

That gets the prequel trilogy home and hosed.

Don't bring ellen ripley back her story is done, instead her daughter amanda's story needs telling, the events prior to her arrival and the horror that went down on sevastopol and after the destruction of sevastopol, or other unsuspecting ships crews that stumble upon xeno- eggs and their nightmare dealings with this organism, the possibilities are endless.

 

Johnny boy

Jul-29-2017 7:05 PM

Why not start the next film where they left off with a flashback. Spend 15-20 min on the end of that story. Since it's a flashback they can be vague in some spots, but still finish the story. The ending can tie directly into Alien and the new Alien 5(?) in the future. Then they carry on with the new timeline.

Johnny boy

Jul-29-2017 7:06 PM

Why not start the next film where they left off with a flashback. Spend 15-20 min on the end of that story. Since it's a flashback they can be vague in some spots, but still finish the story. The ending can tie directly into Alien and the new Alien 5(?) in the future. Then they carry on with the new timeline.

Jurassic Park Fan For LIFE

Jul-29-2017 11:17 PM

I say Scott should be allowed finish his prequels and then Fox should do a full on reboot. I would love to see a "reimagining" of the Alien franchise.

Starlogger

Jul-30-2017 5:10 AM

What a mess. Bureaucracy at work. Too many irons in the fire to think this franchise can be saved. I'm beginning to have major doubts...

MonsterZero

Jul-30-2017 12:23 PM

Just watched Alien: Resurrection again....

Starting to think this is my favorite Alien movie. Just amazing. Would like to see something like that again.

I'd support a soft reboot:

As I stated before: No CGI, 70mm FILM, Practical effects, low budget 30 million.

Just finish the David trilogy first! Please.

 

Thoughts_Dreams

Jul-31-2017 1:22 AM

There is the posibility of a Reboot, but will they reboot the whole Prequels, as if Prometheus and Alien Covenant did not happen?"


Maybe it could work to re-boot the prequels but I think that they should finish what they are doing. Focus on the human characters and connect the SJ and the Xeno closer to each other and leave some mystery there. Perhaps they should have a totally different director for the next prequel series (especially since RS seems to care mostly about the AI anyway)? Maybe have prequel 1 and prequel 2?

 

I can figure out things in broad strokes that I would prefer that they would have done to change the story that would work a lot better. Mainly the changes would be about the AI, the Xeno origins, and the Space jockey. To me the AI should have less of a role, the Xeno would be something that the Engineers/those that have the Engineer roles now eventually found and updated. David and AI would have nothing to do with it (because it would suck, sorry for being emotional here but there are more interesting ways to do it) but if he must have something to do with it then he could have re-created it but then that must be explained without ambiguity. Human characters would be the most important part. This would be if I would write it but I am not good at writing these kinds of things but I have many ideas.

 

As far as the derelict is concerned they would rather have it ambiguous rather than having an obvious answer that is weak. If they must show us something of it then just show some details but keep the whole a mystery.

 

 

"Because if they U-Turn and the Eggs on the Derelict are not from Davids experiments... they face having to explain the Derelict Eggs to some degree, do they do this and keep some mystery or do they have to Spoon Feed and show us what happened... like Alien Covenant does not Spoon Feed us what happened to Dr Shaw, only the outcome... Dr Shaw's Corpse is thus just as the Space Jockeys was in Alien.."


This

 

If they will stick with David creating the eggs then I hope that the Engineers will beat him, steal the eggs and then try to bomb humanity with them.  My chain of thinking goes like this: Humanity gone wrong, AI created by mankind try to destroy the Engineers the engineers feel that they need to destroy mankind I simply refuse to have David being the pilot on LV-426. Maybe Engineers wanted to have mankind as slaves, mankind rebelled against the Engineers and the Engineers wanted to punish mankind.)

 

When the prequels are done then if we still don't have a satisfying answer to it then maybe I will throw them away (like "nah, they’re bad") and pretend that only Alien 1, 2, and 3 happened. I would most likely blame Fox and Ridley.

Spaced-Out

Jul-31-2017 4:42 AM

 Hi guys newbie here, been lurking on here for a while now and thought id join and give my two cents.

After the way Covenant has turned out i feel now that maybe these prequels should not actually be prequels and should maybe just stay as there own timeline but obviously in the same alien universe and not even tie into Alien, as long as they finish the story and show that david was not the creator of the egg they could finish this however they like and not risk spoiling the original films.

Spaced-Out

Jul-31-2017 5:06 AM

This would atleast give us back some of the mystery of the original derelict and space jockey, yes we know its an engineer and yes we know the egg came from the black goo, but what we wouldn't know is how it got there and why.

Then they could maybe start a new timeline after resurrection but not involving ripley and it wouldn't even have to have the xeno in it maybe it could be something else that has been created from the black goo, but new and terrifying.

ScorpioStar

Jul-31-2017 7:52 AM

I'd like to see all the concepts concerning David and the Engineers complete, before any reboot or the sort. And, please, no more Ripleys, Newts, Hickses, Marines and whatever Blomkamp had in mind - enough is enough. I particularly think Fox should "reboot" all the dense atmosphere "Alien" gave us at the time, that sense of "In space, no one can hear you scream". And I vote for Sir Ridley, he's the master, he's always been in my opinion, or someone as good as him such as Christopher Nolan.

djamelameziane

Aug-22-2017 12:49 PM

Ah man someone needs to get fired at fox if they were the ones controlling things behind the scenes... the viral stuff was as messy as the films apart from the actual video footage... last time i looked only a few months back there was still unfinished parts to Prometheus's website... :s . It was some good ideas and clips in a shockingly badly organised presentation :O. Sooo like the films...

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