BigDaveDeaconMember10416 XPDec-12-2017 4:04 PM
I think this will be met with mixed views from the community, and i think those holding out for a Blomkamp Alien 5 could be made the most happiest, while Disney would have more Financial Fire Power i think again as with FOX it will come down to what they feel will pull in the crowds.
I cant see this deal meaning a Alien Movie Franchise like the Star Wars because i dont think the Alien Franchise is no where near as large as the Star Wars Franchise, this is not me saying the Alien Franchise is not good however... but it has a more selective Audience that is somewhat Fractured regarding how the Franchise has gone since after Alien 3.
So i feel Disney will be looking to see what has caused the Split between Fans of the Franchise and we can only hope they will attempt to put RIGHT what they feel has gone so WRONG with the Franchise.
I feel this is a bit of a Blow to any plans Ridley Scott has had, because Disney may over look what ever input and impact that Ridley Scott has had on the Franchise and they would go for what ever they thing the MAINSTREAM would want instead... which Unfortunately could mean that Miss Weaver could now have the Bigger Say in the Franchise.... as i am sure Disney may feel the Xenomorph and Ripley are what the Franchise is all about.
BigDaveDeaconMember10416 XPDec-12-2017 4:09 PM
I will add the direction the Franchise takes and how many movies we get will SOLELY come down to how well at the BOX Office the Next Movie performs, if the movie does well then Disney would be open to do more and as long as they continue to do well, indeed we could see more and more Alien movies..
But if the next ONE does only as well or less so than Alien Covenant, then i can see Disney either pulling the Plug or REBOOT the Entire Franchise.
A lot now comes down to IF Ridley Scotts ideas and plans are what will really pull in the $$$$$ and Interest of if his ideas about AI and Philosophy and less about the Xenomorph and how the Engineers/Space Jockey are to be explored are something that the Fans would Flock too or if they cant shake away the Nostalgia of Xenomorphs and Ripley.
dkTrilobiteMember8212 XPDec-12-2017 11:43 PM
BigDave Agree. Alien fans are not a huge audience. To make more money, it will have to be made to appeal to the masses. I slagged the Disney deal for some time, but I will see what happens- it's not like we have any say anyway except for our wallets. After all, the SW fans don't seem too disappointed overall what Disney did with that series.
SvanyaPraetorianAdmin4331 XPDec-13-2017 12:29 AM
I'm really worried they'll go the AVP route.
ignorantGuyChestbursterMember902 XPDec-13-2017 12:35 AM
If we judge by the MCU and Star Wars, it will be endless regurgitation, nothing new but hidden remakes. Truly great, truly great indeed.
dkTrilobiteMember8212 XPDec-13-2017 12:40 AM
I have no skin in SW, but I heard that it was pretty good but some saw it it as a rehash. I liked the first AVP so I would not mind some of that vibe in there- substitute Engineers for the Predators?
I.RaptusPraetorianModerator2414 XPDec-13-2017 12:46 AM
Im not sure how I feel about this yet, too early to tell. Im more afraid we will an Avatar saga of the Alien Universe...
That being said, I thought Disney's Star Wars - Rogue One was hands down the best Stars Wars film made to date. Have at me!
Critters5FacehuggerMember299 XPDec-13-2017 5:13 AM
They have done a wonderful job with Star Wars so I am optimistic because I feel we are likely to see more Alien movies with actual aliens as well with Disney than with Fox. However, I do think Ridley is screwed so I hope he at least gets to finish his prequel(s). Although, I would love some fresh blood directing these movies as long as they aren't fools like the directors of the predator movies which are truly cooked. Bigdave do you think the deal will happen before Ridley starts Awakening?
Im DurpFacehuggerMember478 XPDec-13-2017 6:37 AM
I don't see Disney really bothering with Alien and if they do there will probably be some big changes.
Disney has probably the most marketable movie franchises out right now, and with what they're getting from Fox will they really risk it on the Alien franchise which has been questionable at best? If they do there will probably be some big changes. Ridley having a huge amount of control is likely gone, Disney is known for what they did to the SW directors that they didn't completely agree with. Also the budget will likely drop, at least until the movies show they can make money for the company.
Honestly not expecting another Alien movie for a long time if Disney gets it unless there's some huge push for an A:C sequel.
KongzillaChestbursterMember666 XPDec-13-2017 8:52 AM
Ah, Ripley - another Disney princess.
ignorantGuyChestbursterMember902 XPDec-13-2017 8:54 AM
Imagine David in a pink tutu. The robot ballerina.
Chris10anOvomorphMember44 XPDec-13-2017 9:03 AM
I like it, if they buy it, it means they are going to invest in it. when i see what they have accomplished with Star Wars and how bad AC was, think it cant get much worse.
JurassicNightChestbursterMember605 XPDec-13-2017 12:45 PM
I'm fine with it, I watch and Aliens movie to see some good horror/action with the Xenomorph species. I don't watch it to see an AI go crazy and end up ruining the entire mystery behind the Alien species.
Timmy the ultramorphChestbursterMember559 XPDec-13-2017 4:02 PM
Ifthey bought it, they probably intend to use it in some way. I just hope that an alien 5 movie isn't made untill after awakening. also it absolutly cannot erase alien 3. i don't really care if alien ressurection goes but alien 3 has to stay.
dkTrilobiteMember8212 XPDec-13-2017 5:25 PM
Timmy the ultramorph I like the Quadrilogy. Interestingly, I could see Disney picking up after Resurrection when Ripley said "I don't know. I am a stranger here myself." That leaves the door wide open.
Timmy the ultramorphChestbursterMember559 XPDec-13-2017 7:48 PM
that could also work. the thing about ressurection for me is that it feels like a spinoff sinse it is so disconected. because of this no matter what happens, I feel like ressurection could always exist. A TV show of post alien ressurection would be awsome. would have to do some de aging stuff or cme up with some solution for winona rider and sigorny weaver being old though.
BigDaveDeaconMember10416 XPDec-14-2017 12:29 AM
I started this as a brief reply.... but it evolved and so i have made a New Topic Here
But is still relevant to this post... so here it goes..
I think Disney will in time explore the FOX Sci-Fi Franchises this i think is a certain, when they are acquiring the rights they will be acquiring the rights to these Franchises too. Disney had purchased part of the Marvel Franchise in 2009 (Marvel Entertainment) were they had agreements to make Marvel Movies with 20th Century Fox (X-Men Primarily) but the other Marvel Movies (Marvel Studios) such as Iron Man and Avengers etc are already part of Disney.
So Disney has these Comic Book Franchises it has utilized and now it looks like it will have all Marvel Franchise Rights with the acquisition of 20th Century FOX (X-Men/Fantastic 4) and we know Disney has Purchased the Star Wars Franchise too.
Star Wars is a Sci-Fi Genre but its also a Action one too, but its different in a way to the Comic Book Marvel Film Adaptions... Disney has other Movie Companies and Franchises too, and will gain more when it completes a take over of 20th Century FOX
The ALIEN and PREDATOR Franchises are different to the Marvel and Star Wars ones, they cater for a different Audience and Age Group, I dont think Disney would try and make these Franchises become something similar to the Super Hero Comic Book Franchises, or the Star Wars especially the New Trilogy kind of movies.
ALIEN and PREDATOR reach out to a different Audience than those, and i dont think Disney will try and make these Franchises more Kiddy Friendly, they NEED something a bit DIFFERENT something more ADULT
So the ALIEN and PREDATOR Franchises offer Disney something different to put out there, these Franchises are different to the Marvel Movies and Star Wars and i cant see Disney trying to make them appear similar or appeal to the similar Fanbase.
ULTIMATELY.... This means Disney WILL explore and expand both the ALIEN and PREDATOR Franchises, i think this is for certain, HOWEVER we cant be sure when they will EXPAND upon these Franchises, i think Disney will see how the New PREDATOR Movie Performs and then see how this movie does compared to those before it... they will then assess the Predator Franchise based on how the New Movie does.
When it comes to ALIEN i think they know how HUGE a Hit ALIEN and ALIENS were something just Worked with those movies, that after Alien 3 just seemed to loose its Shine... Alien Resurrection not going down too well.
Ridley Scott's attempt at a Franchise Prequels where he attempted something different with PROMETHEUS did not go down to well with some Critics, yet it Financially was a Success, But to many ALIEN Franchise Fans it was just not really enough of a ALIEN movie, hence we got ALIEN: Covenant and this movie did not become a Commercial Success, not as much as they expected and while RS may feel the Reintroduction of the Xenomorph is one reason for the down-fall, and he wishes to explore some themes he wanted to do with the Prometheus 2 sequel.... and he wishes to explore AI more, i feel looking at the criticism aimed at Alien Covenant that for the majority its the Pursuit of AI and being about AI rather than the Xenomorph is the biggest gripe people seem to have for Alien Covenant.
And so i think with Disney taking ownership, they will be assessing what Fans want, its a case of will they do what RS wants, maybe not if they feel his direction is taking things to far away from the ALIEN feel. I think Disney will be looking to do what ever will MAKE MONEY but they also would be up for trying something a bit different too, which is what they have done with the New Stars Movies, they are not a direct like for like with the Original 3 movies of which the New Franchise is a continuation, while Star Wars was about Luke, Solo, Leigh and threw in Chewbacca C3PO and R2D2 the New Franchise is changing these things, as the BIGGER Picture within the Star Wars Franchise is the FORCE and thus the JEDI and the SITH but the movie also has to have Storm Troopers and the Similar.
And so i think when Disney look at the ALIEN Franchise they will look at what the Franchise really was about, and while some may think its about Ripley, it is not... Ripley is no more a part of ALIEN as Luke is with STAR WARS and its not about David, he is to ALIEN as maybe Vader is to Star Wars.
The Star Wars Franchise can Spit out movie after movie, but they will all revolve or should revolve around the FORCE but then you can have expanded Universe Movies, which can be close like Rogue One or Further from the events of Star Wars like the Han Solo movie that is being wrapped up.
so the ALIEN Franchise in this Context has to be about the ALIEN and i think it needs to look at the Roots... which is and will always be that Derelict Ship, the Space Jockey Pilot and the Xenomorph Eggs and while Prometheus tried to expand the Universe by Expanding the Space Jockey/Derelict as far as Engineers/Technology it did not do enough to show the Xenomorph
I think Disney will attempt to get things back on track, they will realize RS is trying something NEW and that the Prequels will be something NEW and address the events that lead up to ALIEN i think Disney will realize the Xenomorph Origins and how any prequels link to the EVENT in ALIEN that is the Derelict will be something they would likely still be interested in. But i think Disney will look at what they feel may have gone wrong since after Alien 3 and i think they will look at the BASICS of the Franchise.. like how STAR WARS was a saga about the FORCE i think Disney need to assess and see what the BASICS of the ALIEN Franchise is.
The ALIEN Franchise has its Ripley/David like how Star Wars has Luke/Anakin but while Star Wars is also about the FORCE, the JEDI and SITH they (Disney) need to look at what is the ALIEN universes Equivalent and i think for this they need to look at the Basics for RS first reasons for doing Prequels. And so i think they need to look at what went so WRONG with the Exploration of the Space Jockey and continue with this but take it back to something more ALIEN, with Star Wars we have the FORCE which is split between the JEDI and SITH and we also have the Tale of the Empire (its rise/fall and rebirth) we also have the Tale of the Rebels but these things are only a smaller part much like in ALIEN we have the Weyland-Yutani Company, and so when we look at the Rise/Fall/Rebirth of the Galactic Empire/New Order we see something that every part of this rise and fall (well nearly) has featured the Clone/Storm Troopers... No Star Wars Movie would seem a Legit Star Wars movie without Storm Troopers i am sure everyone will agree... imagine the New Trilogy with NO Storm Troopers or related Technology? Exactly
I think this is where the XENOMORPH has to fit with what ever plans for the Franchise DISNEY may have.
They are a Tool (which can come in various forms) that are used as a Weapon by different Factions throughout the History, we see in SW we had the Clone Troopers, which became the Storm Troopers which latter became the New Order Troopers..... in ALIEN we had this Alien Organism, which the WY Company wanted to obtain and control... the Prequels set in order that the Engineers must have created this Bio-Weapon, with Alien Covenant they gave us a Curve-ball that David Created the Xenomorph but throughout we still have the Xenomorph DNA/Black goo that is created, re-created and then wishing to be obtained by Engineers, David and the Company.
So then all we need now is our The FORCE and for the ALIEN Franchise this has to be exploring the Creation Element behind the Engineers, they created us or so it appears... the Engineers did not appear to please some, and especially how they are portrayed in AC and i feel they need to ADDRESS the Creation of the Engineers the Hierarchy, who came first Humans? Engineers? are the LV-223 and Planet 4 Engineers similar the same?
We need to look at which Creation came first, Planet 4 Engineers, LV-223 Engineers, Humans and WHO/WHAT is above them..... THIS would be the ALIEN Franchises THE FORCE and while the Force has the Jedi and Sith i think we need to address what Factions are at play above and beyond the ENGINEERS but to NOT FORGET that they cant at least for the next TWO movies delve to Far Away from the Xenomorph, this is the Storm Troopers of the Alien Franchise, they cant abandon how we get to those Eggs on the Derelict in ALIEN much like the Prequels had to show in Star Wars what lead to the Creation of the Empire and its Tools (Clone/Storm Troopers)
ONCE this is done and done right.... then the ALIEN Franchise can explore the Engineers in any kind of context they wish, that has nothing to do with Xenomorphs, for now they have to go the route to ALIEN and then REEL in the Fanbase to see the Bigger Picture of the Engineers and what ever History/Hierarchy is at play but something more ALIEN than those Planet 4 Engineers must come into play.
We can see Expanded Movies like how Star Wars has the Han Solo movie, and in the Alien Franchise this could be about the Company etc, i just feel right now they need to be very CAREFUL to not make it too much about the Company and AI, at the expense of the Engineers and the Forms of Bio-Weapon they created.
TiwazChestbursterMember528 XPDec-14-2017 6:41 AM
I agree, IRaptus. Disney did a decent job with Star Wars. To let the entire cast die at the end of ST:RO was a bold one for a Disney movie. It further seems that D "cares" bout canon consistency within it's franchises. Something the Alienverse didnt have in abundance recently.
Critters5FacehuggerMember299 XPDec-14-2017 7:03 AM
Bigdave I totally agree. I'm beginning to think Disney is the only thing that can save Alien from RS' senility. Imagine a slick, dark return to Giger with much more mystery and foreign landscapes instead of every movie being filmed in Iceland with robots?
Critters5FacehuggerMember299 XPDec-14-2017 7:08 AM
The bio-engineering and parasite aspects of the Alien franchise are so uniquely Alien that I think that needs to be the focus no robots.
Capt TorgoFacehuggerMember176 XPDec-14-2017 5:45 PM
Put a leash on Ridley and force him to collaborate while staying within a logical & vetted story+characters and finish that exercise. Or reboot with something entertaining. Kinda glad Disney has control since things got worse IMO since Prometheus.
Critters5FacehuggerMember299 XPDec-15-2017 9:02 AM
So I was getting excited about this deal until I heard from multiple trusted friends who have seen the new Star Wars and said it is the worst of the series.
Critters5FacehuggerMember299 XPDec-21-2017 4:53 AM
Just saw Star Wars and omg am I scared about Disney now owning Aliens. That was the absoloute worse star wars film of the series. Total garbage, and they are trusting that unapologetic douche to direct the next trilogy??
BigDaveDeaconMember10416 XPDec-21-2017 4:08 PM
I think Disney need to take NOTICE that the ALIEN Franchise is unlike anything else they have, and they do not want to be trying to make it more Hero Movie, or have it become something more Friendly for under 13 year old to see. Because it will just FAIL and the Whole Franchise will become a laughing stock.
I think Disney will try and introduce the Xenomorph and Queens into the Franchise and maybe Shoe-horn in a Ripley Connection....
I am concerned that for Disney they could see no need to explore the Franchise for a while, so this would affect the Prequels in that maybe Disney will produce the next movie in 5 years and we see the movie be set around a number of years after the Origae-6 colony is set up and Davids Xenomorphs get loose... and thus a incoming Human Group discover a Colony, overrun with Eggs and then find a dismembered David who they only activate to get information from like with Ash in Alien and Bishop in Alien 3
BigDaveDeaconMember10416 XPDec-21-2017 4:12 PM
If Disney realize the ALIEN Franchise needs to be a bit more serious like Alien and Alien 3 while offering a bit of Action, and to cater for a Audience of 15+ as far as content, then i think it could work... If they try and tone down the Gore, Horror and Foul Language etc so the movie can be pushed for 12 year olds to watch and Force it to be about the Xenomorph after Xenomorph then i would be concerned..
A Blomkamps Style Alien 5 even with no Ripley, New or Hicks that has elements restricted to pass off as a Cert 12 would just give us a Aliens meets Avatar kind of Flick...
I ALSO wonder if they will wait until Cameron is Free and get him involved on the Project.
Critters5FacehuggerMember299 XPDec-22-2017 6:28 AM
Bigdave, great point about Cameron. I would be totally fine with that if they at least tie up the prequels nicely first.
I.RaptusPraetorianModerator2414 XPDec-22-2017 1:41 PM
I wonder if Disney may decide to merge/link some of the franchise to appeal to a greater fanbase. Perhaps Aliens and Bladerunner may finally be revealed to be of the same universe?!
Thoughts_DreamsNeomorphMember1681 XPDec-22-2017 1:59 PM
Disney messed up Star Wars 8 by killing Luke and yes it made me upset because I did not care for most of the characters. Are they now going to F up Alien also? I am afraid that the next movie will be even worse than Prometheus and AC.
pulserifle187OvomorphMember28 XPDec-24-2017 3:27 PM
I pray to God( that is saying a lot coming from an Atheist) with the hope that Disney will follow Ridley Scott vision. I think it would be wise to continue with his vision and add even more new ideas to the franchise. In saying that, I do love the movie Aliens. But I do accept it as canon(no queen). So, I wouldn't be against a split in the franchise. One Aliens style combat movies and the other, hardcore sci-fi themes, a dark artistic environment.
If box office takings are anything to go, I don't think we will see another AVP movie( thank god).