Mar-11-2017 7:13 AM
Wow, that sounds awesome. Then we can safely assume it is David and not Walter standing besides Crudup whilst he's getting the kiss of death.
Mar-11-2017 7:19 AM
With all of this new informations about "failed xenomorph specimens", protomorphs, David trying to re-create the "perfect organism" (and maybe even the Engineers tryied to do that creating the Deacon instead).....what if the orginal creature is extinct? And what if the Xenomorph from the first movie it's not the original organism but a similiar specimen?
Mar-11-2017 7:25 AM
That looks like a skeleton so I assume thats one of the David's failed experiments that he keeps in his lab among other experiments.But by the look of it, looks like he was getting very close at succesfully creating an egg.All he needed was a host.
Mar-11-2017 7:27 AM
Love this redesign! This story raises some questions. If David created the aliens through genetic experimentation, where did the space jockey and its cargo hold full of eggs come from? It had been dead a long time, so that would mean someone else created the same life before. So did David discover this by himself or is he following some engineer guidelines on how to create life?
Mar-11-2017 7:32 AM
Phew...thank God, no relatives of Ripley on board!
Wish the run time could have been more, perhaps less will be more! ;)
That Facehugger is EVIL!!! Wonder what it would result in?
I'm seeing Pareidolia again....
Mar-11-2017 7:51 AM
Oh that looks nasty. Can't wait.
@Dr.Raven. From the engineer bodies on LV223 I always presumed that they were harvesting the black goo from an early natural (pre David experimenting) race of the xenomorph, due to the mural in the ampule room. I agree with you that this race could be extinct but killed the engineers before dying out. These prequels are going to tie into Alien. So I guess the the pilot discovered in Alien becomes infected by a facehugger created by David, that has both human DNA and android nanobots. This could result in a combination of the four races (protomorph/human/android/engineer). The pilot could have birthed a queen that laid all the eggs under the derelict.
Just my guess.
Engineer Tech Brett
Mar-11-2017 8:05 AM
2 hours 2 mins, near enough the same runtime as Prometheus. Have to say though, I am liking all the news i hear about this film. I hope we get shocked by something new in this.
Mar-11-2017 8:10 AM
I'm relieved to know there won't be a direct link to Ripley in this as well.
@Zogar, I like your theory! The Xenomorph being a culmination of all 4 "species". Fascinating concept!
Mar-11-2017 8:15 AM
It could be a Queen Facehugger. The very front of it looks like a small crown. Whatever the case, I think it looks cool and creepy. Just the way I like my Xenomorphs. Can't wait for the movie.
Mar-11-2017 8:21 AM
Could be a drawing of an early Facehugger, from that Manuscript I have mentioned before!
It's either an ancient Engineer tome that David found, or he's been illustrating his own experiments!
Mar-11-2017 8:29 AM
Thanks Chris. I hope we get to find out why he is so big as well. I know that Scott used his kids as the crew in the shot. But they are now hinting at the engineers makers (who could be larger), due to the huge head statues mentioned in the temple from the set reports.
Mar-11-2017 10:53 AM
In light of the SXSW info, its safe to assume that David is clearly more insidious than before and is going to some dark places. It is he who urges Crudup to take a closer look at the Xenomorph eggs (as seen in the trailer).
One thought that i cant shake off my mind is, now that we know its David who has been experimenting with the alien evolution, Could Shaw have been the first host? That would perhaps explain fan theories of her character being dead from the get-go.
Mar-11-2017 11:04 AM
@Hieros, absolutely! This also confirms David has brown hair.
@Dark Seed, I agree I hope this footage remains unseen by the public. For press events and for the sake of hype I get why they would show it, but I hope they keep many of the big reveals for the cinema.
Keep in mind too, what's being shown are not final cuts.
@Coarobija, Those are awesome! The second one is my favorite and yes, definitely would love to own this shirt!
Mar-11-2017 11:12 AM
Was the new facehugger in the red band trailer all this time. ? a reversed screenshot of it seems to fit in or is my mind playing tricks... :D
Mar-11-2017 1:04 PM
While the facehugger in the Alien films had long elegant fingers, this one appears to have bones that look like the bones in human arms-or maybe from another animal. Or maybe this is just the skeleton of the facehugger and not the full creature.
@Hieros I think the facehugger in the shirt is different. The one in your picture seems to have more appendages and a thicker tail.
Mar-11-2017 2:08 PM
Indeed very creepy.... we have to wonder how many of these different designs we would get and how does David or however be able to see the Fruits of their Labor without NO HOSTS?
Mar-11-2017 2:54 PM
I have an idea about the events on lv223
1. The goo mutated one or more engineers so they needed to escape, i believe that they had facehuggers ready, and they have broken out during the chaos, one or more ships escaped, the one had infected pilot and it crashed on lv426.
2. This idea is based on green substance found by david on panel. It is very unlikely that its true, but we cant rule out this possibility. What if the Yautja were the ones that attacked and this is blood of one of the attackers?
Mar-11-2017 3:03 PM
@BigDave: Maybe David ran out of live specimens or maybe he needs humans because they possess some biological traits compared to any life found on that planet that would help in creating or evolving his experiments. What could these traits be? Perhaps David couldn't clone humans and he finally found some live ones with the Covenant crew.
Mar-11-2017 4:07 PM
I'm wondering if he is 'engineering' the life-cycle process, to a degree. Imagine, for agreement's sake, if he has one (or maybe more than one) live host that he is keeping alive. He impregnates the host (either manually inserting a alien embryo) or let's the face huggers to their thing. The foetus gestates, and he removes them before they forcibly exit the host. Conceivably, he could keep the same host alive for numerous impregnation and removal processes.
My original thought about the body on the table in the 'lab' was exactly that - the chest has been carefully opened up and peeled back. Perhaps this was one such host - possibly still alive when found.
Imagine the horror of living through that cycle, over and over, captive to David's experiments. One wonders if this was Shaw's fate for a period of time.
Mar-11-2017 4:23 PM
If the Infection in Prometheus was via Nano-Parasitic Worms and all Holloway was, is a means to transfer these to Shaws Womb like a Sexually Transmitted Disease would.
Then Black Goo + Shaws Womb = Trilobite
If David can remove the Fetus like Shaw did in Prometheus and then repair her, he can repeat the Process over and over.
The Source i had 2 years ago did say that in regards to Paradise Lost Poem, and in context to Prometheus 2.... that without Sin there would be no Xenomorph. And that Mankind played a bigger role than the Engineers in its creation.
Sin in Paradise Lost was Satans Daughter, and she faced a eternal punishment of giving birth to the Hounds of Hell, that Guard the Gates of Hell, she would be constantly Pregnant and in Labour with these Serpentine Hounds. Daily they would Tear at her Entrails as they are Born.
She would forever suffer this fate.
This indeed could fit for sure... but the Source is always vague and so SIN they could mean as far as to Go against Gods Will and do things that anger God and then Face Punishment.
If this Punishment is thus Black Goo or a Xenomorph or related Origin then indeed again through this Sin against God and Punishment could rise the Xenomorph.
Mar-11-2017 4:31 PM
From what I have read about the David/Oram (Crudup) clip is that's David refers to himself as zoologist and he is perfecting the xeno. He states in the clip "they are waiting for mother". I'm assuming a host...but it could be cryptic for what we have not seen yet. David is looking to perfect the organism and make it perfect, Cruduo being a host for his experiment...so, the xeno we see in the trailer is an early stage, very hostile as Ash pointed out but not yet perfected...though I'm thinking David will make the perfect organism in the later films, which will then lead into Alien.
Mar-11-2017 7:12 PM
Yes this is interesting i cant wait for other reports to come out and see if they back this up or if its a bit of a misinterpretation.
It would seem David is experimenting, but i am wondering does this scene reveal he is David? David does seem to match Walters Hair and Clothes.
But indeed there have been experiments and i wonder how David can Perfect something if he has no means to test it out... as without Hosts we have to assume David can not find out what the Face Hugger would bring about.
Surely he is not designing and evolving the Face Hugger without knowledge of the End Result until he thinks... "Right that Face Hugger looks Amazing.. Job done... now its time to introduce a Host"
Lot of interesting things to consider, i am still wondering what Fassbender meant the other month or two when he said "as far as we know" in regards to David and Shaw being alone when turning up on Paradise.
Mar-12-2017 12:40 AM
How will the covenant crew react when they first meet David?, i will guess they understand he is another android like Walter but will the meeting consist of awe and exitement or pure terror, from what we have seen in the trailers so far it`s all in the open.
The covenant team have no clue of the secret mission Weyland shipped years earlier so they should be quite baffled i guess travelling all across space and find another asset from the same company ;)
Mar-12-2017 12:40 AM
What if David did have hosts already? All the dead bodies on the floor, the one in his lab maybe they were not all dead until he got there. Plus let's not forget he has Shaw who I strongly believe is his guinea pig for such tests and trial runs until her demise. Is David inventing or reinventing the wheel? The original jockey and his cargo are presumed to predate by quite sometime so the latter seems the obvious answer. The obvious answer is not always the correct one though.
Mar-12-2017 6:21 AM
If David did create the xeno through testing it makes me very nervous with the story line.
As far as his testing I guess it could be possible that he used dna from the dead engineers. Maybe the black goo can rejuvenate as well as create or destroy.
Mar-12-2017 6:47 AM
re. David and the creation of the xeno . . .
I'm in the same camp as above. It looks probable at the minute.
Unless it's done really well, I hope that's not the case. Would take out too much of the earlier mystery for me and contradict what I'd always felt (been led to believe) about the eggs/SJ in ALIEN.
That said, it could be that the ship and SJ were there for an age but the eggs a more recent event? Still, how and why the apparent chest burst on the SJ if that's the case?
As I say, it would have to be very clever writing for me.
I feel like such a whiner saying that lol ;)
Goddamn Tropics in here
Mar-12-2017 7:15 AM
No DS, totally agree with you as Derelict and Eggs being thousands of years old would be perfect for most on here, i feel the Jockey scene is the best part of all the movies
The eggs being placed there by a synthetic at a later date looks more probable now, but who knows
However you still have the burster / acid hole to get around...
I too hope it's done very well or that magic will be wasted
Mar-12-2017 9:05 AM
2 hours is perfect. Leave 'em wanting more...
Daniels not related to Ripley...maybe another crew member is!? I'm really intrigued to see how they tie the series together.
Mar-12-2017 10:07 AM
I just read in an article in Vanity Fair that interviewed Ridley Scott at the SXSW. In it, Scott says the opening sequence, or Prologue is that of David and Peter Weyland and that we will find out who David really is.
My theory is that Weyland downloaded his consciousness into David. So, David is Weyland somehow.
Mar-12-2017 4:13 PM
The hugger model displayed beyound the dissecated Engineer is very different from the one we see in the post's photo.
Mar-12-2017 4:17 PM
So David has some eggs. How?
In the first film, there was a scene where Ripley found some of the crew morphing into cocoons that could be eggs.
But these scenes were cut off from the movie. So the canon is: queens produce eggs.
That's why I believe Shaw is the queen. She has been already impregnated...
Mar-13-2017 8:49 AM
this is in fact a skeleton, if you look near the base of the digits you will see that it is similar to the skeletal structure of a human forearm because they connect and are used to reinforce.
Mar-13-2017 8:52 AM
On another note, while there has been much speculation as to what the next poster tagline would be, its also worth wondering what the next poster would feature? Perhaps a facehugger? or something more nightmarish...
Mar-13-2017 9:50 AM
It's possible there could be two different face huggers. As you can see in one of the pics there seems to be two different eggs and we know at least two people get face hugged but hAve only seen 1 xeno/proto revealed.
Mar-13-2017 1:53 PM
If you search youtube for all the SXSW interviews with "Alien Covenant" Cast, you'll find all sorts of goodies showing up...lots of hints.
Mar-15-2017 9:48 AM
With all this information leaking on to here I wonder what else that it is that we will not be told about that will be in the movie. I don’t want them to spoil the whole movie before we have seen it.
It is good that Daniels isn’t related to Ripley. Honestly I don’t think that they need to have ties to Ripley in every Alien related movie, why should they really? To me the Alien universe is bigger than one character being it Burke, Clemens or whoever.
Hopefully David re-creating it. I would prefer if the Xeno specie is much older so we could then be told one way that it can come to life but we would never know how it was made in the first place.
Gee W: That is what I am wondering about also. I hope that they will have some clues that will help us to figure it out ourselves or at least imagine different ways that it could have happened.
Chris: I agree that they will save as much as possible for the movie-theaters.