May-09-2017 8:24 AM
Glad you posted this.
So Shaw becomes a Mutated, Horrible, Egg-laying, Machine ;)
I made a topic about this.
I forgot to add the fact that she is currently dead :(
May-09-2017 8:30 AM
Perhaps, with the prequel, if in fact Awakening is a prequel, we will have Shaw's story filled in or perhaps a directors cut of Alien Covenant will shed more light on her tragic end.
May-09-2017 9:43 AM
Well, I´m a defender of the thesis that David used Shaw´s body to conceive the eggs. But I have to admit that the face in the photo doesn´t seems to be the face of Dr. Shaw. On the other side, I haven´t seen the movie yet. Maybe they enhanced the likeness with some CGI.............
PS: only now I read Chris review (with spoilers) so...no doubts anymore.
May-09-2017 9:51 AM
Remake of movie the Thing!
David takes himself for frankenstein!
But what happens to shaw for arrived there?
Poor Shaw :(
Really disappointed, I thought it was a technogy of engineers who created biomechanics. But no.
It is david who creates his own xenomorphs by genetically deforming them by a strange process.
And do experiments on the body of Shaw, for what purpose? While he had the area to reconcile at the end of Prometheus.
Shaw may be dead during the ship's crash? And David wants to give him life again (out of love)?
Remake du film the Thing!
David se prend pour frankenstein!
Mais qu'est il arriver à Shaw pour en arrivé la?
Pauvre Shaw :(
Vraiment deçu , je pensais que c'était une technogie des ingenieurs qui créé des etre biomécanique . Mais non.
C'est David qui se crée ses propre xenomorphs en les déformant génétiquement par un étrange procédé .
Et fait des expériences sur le corps de Shaw, dans quel but ? alors qu'il avait l'aire de se réconcilier à la fin de Prometheus.
Shaw est peut etre morte pendant le crash du vaisseau ? Et david veut lui redonné vie (par amour) ?
May-09-2017 10:16 AM
While this is a Spoiler thread it wont hurt to put this
To be honest its not the best way to handle the situation, it also makes little sense about the Mutation, but then those working on this Movie as far as Logan and his draft have not really been paying attention to Prometheus and Alien...
But thats enough for now... until i put my Review out.
May-09-2017 10:18 AM
I just cant wait to see when the earlier drafts are out.... if they ever are... because i have a feeling if fans was a bit upset at looking at Spaights Alien Engineers and wondering what may have been.... this potentially could be nothing compared to the ideas in Paglen/Greens Draft.
May-09-2017 10:54 AM
The OT Photo... just reminded me of someone...
So i could not help but put the Franchise Prediction down
Who ever wins..... We Loose!
The First Child
May-09-2017 1:03 PM
I kinda hoped that Elizabeth was the alien. I know a lot of you will think that this is a weird idea, but I thought it would be pretty interesting. It could have been that Elizabeth wanted children and David wanted to perfect life. Thus they teamed up to make a better world, ultimately becoming monsters in the process. Kinda like Citzen Kane, with Kane initially fighting the system only to become the system himself.
But what they implemented is not such a bad idea either. Elizabeth, who cannot have children, is supposed kinda symbolizes Mother Mary, a virgin who bore the child of God. Unfortunately instead of baring a child of God, Elizabeth bore the child of the Devil.
The First Child
May-09-2017 1:07 PM
Another thing I have noticed is that many people are either upset or delighted that this is the origin of the xenomorph.
I think need to take into account that there is probably a dozen different species of the alien or Necronom.
Talking about the xenomorph as the end allis like talking saying their are only bobcats in the feline species.
Who knows!?! There might be a xenomorph out there that is more horrifying than anything encountered in the films?
May-09-2017 1:16 PM
@thefirstchild Sure, but it's all speculation. It is just as reasonable to believe that this is the one true genesis of the xenomorph.
Since there is no evidence to support either conclusion, both are just as valid as the other.
May-09-2017 2:43 PM
This is worse than Hicks and Newt in Alien3. They just wanted to toss out Rapace and put in a Ripley-clone survivor. Should have just ditched Shaw (Newt) and David (evil Hicks) and brought in Ash-B4.
May-09-2017 3:15 PM
I think what we all would like to See is Alien 5, perhaps Fox could pull this one out of the bag because Alien 5 is the movie everyone will be talking about in twenty years time . . .
May-09-2017 4:47 PM
Ridley is a stud when it comes to selecting amazing cast members. IMO, people gain a liking to these individuals and get wayyy too wrapped up with who they are and what happens to them. They seem to forget that these are Alien movies and they rarely pan out with a happy ending. Shaw was a means to an end... she was a bridge into the following movies which will be just as good as Prometheus & AC. Stay patient! :)
May-09-2017 5:15 PM
This is bizarre but we knew kinda rapace never had much involvement so this fits. Film some pre hype prologue then dump newt and Hicks style. David is just a mess, maybe human psychotics can act nice then stab you goo bomb your spouse's drink. Like at the end of Prom he seems to set Shaw up to be killed by the engineer. He knew that guy was on his way to pop shaws head like a pimple. Yet he warns at the last second. In the deleted scene he actually purposefully exposes her while trying to hide. I was hoping Shaw made a pact with David to kill all the engineers if they were dicks but how can she even trust him. It will look pretty but what a mess. David's actions are like the effects of the goo where it is never consistent imho. I don't mind David tinkering with xeno origins just make it all make sense. Facepalm
May-09-2017 6:15 PM
I think im going to pass on seeing the movie til it shows up on amazon or Netflix. If that is what happened to Shaw it is beyond stupid. Prometheus was opening the door for a massive universe full of posibilities in story-telling. Covenant seems to be trashing all of that and having David as the creator is full regard. If he's the creator then how the hell does a 2,000 year old ship with a chestbursted fossilized alien come into play that precedes anything David may have done? Yeah unless Scott pulls and Hail Mary and brings the engineers and their story in full force id say it's safe to say the franchise is cooked. Ironically even Ridley said it himself when he said the beast was done. Just more of the same brainless crap.
May-09-2017 6:46 PM
I always imagined Shaw and david eventually finding an important Engineer world, perhaps THE Homeworld but finding them all LONG dead, victimes of some attack from outside, or some disease they unwittingly unleashed on themselves...but extinct.
I saw it as David slowly repairing himself after some initial work by Shaw, and the two engaged in exploring the culture and civilization of the Engineers, but with Shaw having a distrustful view of david.
The two would have an uneasy alliance as they learn some absolutely horrible truths about the Engineers, the history and planned fate of Humanity, which would have been a plot point explaining why the intended to inundate Earth with Black Goo.
Then, a follow-up expedition to LV-223 learns enough to be able to follow Shaw's commandeered juggernaut, and they find them on the Engineer world.
In the course of poking about, and ignoring some warnings from Shaw, they end up triggering events that lead to Big Trouble of the horrific kind as before the Engineers passed into extinction, they established bobby-traps SPECIFICALLY to prevent any of the other versions of Humanity from plundering their worlds and knowledge.
Shaw would have died in a better manner, possibly infected by something like Black Goo, or worse, but would have sacrificed herself to allow some to survive and escape and be at peace with such as she would state that she found what she was looking for...answers.
May-09-2017 6:54 PM
If this egg was grown in Shaw's body, it can be claimed that she became the Alien - more or less:
May-10-2017 12:28 AM
I don’t know if it is still canon, but the xenomorph seems to be able to adopt traits from its host (e.g. the runner in Alien 3). In Prometheus, David is admiring Shaw’s extraordinary survival instincts. Could it be possible that David has extracted this special trait from Shaw and transfected it into the facehuggers derived from Shaw? Just a reminder: Ash: “I admire its purity. A SURVIVOR... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.” (I have already seen the movie.)
May-10-2017 2:13 AM
I think the ultimate final form of the genetic 'black goo' is the ultimate killer, i.e. the Alien. They can be different due to different hosts but that is the goo in the ampules ultimate goal - a weapon of mass destruction. As Ridley has repeatedly told us - the organic goo had the alien DNA. I think David tried to find the final form of this creature through his experiments with Shaws' eggs. Ridley also stated in his recent interview that there are "many more like him" meaning the Alien, suggesting that while David created this alien in Alien: Covenant, the black goo is the blueprint for this awful creature.. a terrible weapon created by something. I think Ridley wants to explore that when he talks about his "War of the Worlds"
May-10-2017 6:13 AM
Indeed that would have been interesting... i really want to see the Paglen/Green drafts and see if the Source i had was correct as that seemed pretty interesting stuff.
I think it depends on how you interpret Ridleys comments, to me it seems that they should be sticking to just one Concept... thats HIM (The Xenomorph) and to stick to one thread of string i think its what Ridley said.
To me it sounds like he has a straightforwards simple plan to get A-Z , with A being Prometheus Black Goo and Z being the Derelict Cargo.
It seems to me Ridley may even be Ret-coning Aliens onward.
I think he will try and keep to the Horror Kind of elements of Alien and Alien 3 more, as opposed to the multiple, easy to deal with Aliens from Aliens and Alien Resurrection.
Ultimately War of the Worlds, to me means the end plans is to bring a Multiple Xenomorph Treat to Earth, maybe have while on one Hand AI proved to be our downfall, but then have AI be our Savior?
Yep Aliens vs Androids ;)
May-10-2017 6:19 AM
Loving the Adam and Eve Image ;)
Of note is the Engineer has no Nipples.... this hints that they had evolved to the point of not needing Sexual Reproduction or these Engineers are Clones.
The Alien Covenant Poster Engineers seem to have nipples however, at least TWO have, while one seems not so... the others we cant see the chest area.
The same applies to those burnt beings on Paradise, some seem to have nipples and some dont, there are females and yet also some of the Males are Larger like Engineer size, others are Human Sized.
May-10-2017 11:51 AM
It has been a couple of days since alien covenant was released. And what i can tell ya now is that Shaw on the movie is not the same as what it seems in that pic.
May-10-2017 12:30 PM
Does anyone know when Inquisitor Fifield will be back to pay the various wagered debts he accrued over the past few months? #gunsnotunguns; #thatsshawforsure
May-10-2017 5:55 PM
It looks to me like the idea is that Shaw has been decapitated, which means she wouldn't really make a good incubator(?) Obviously, though, she's been experimented on, transformed into something "bio-mechanical". The design pays homage to Giger in a big way.
I'm still REALLY uncomfortable with the David-creates-the-xenomorphs idea. If the xenos were a bioweapon that the Engineers create using the black goo, wouldn't there be some record of that (ie what David "learns" about the Engineers per the 2nd prologue)? A xenomorph depiction appears on the wall of the urn chamber in Prometheus - which hasn't been opened in 2000 years. Could he not just be *replicating* the original xeno organism? Because how his creation got into an ancient ship piloted by an Engineer would require a hell of a convoluted explanation involving time travel and loads of other silly things.
May-10-2017 6:33 PM
The time has finally come for the movie to be released. What I find of interest is that most of us are surmising that David creates the Xeno from a combination of black goo, “something?” and shaw.
How can this be? In Prometheus when they all go into the Engineer chamber with the large Engineer head we see a metallic mural with the Xeno on the wall.
How can David be the creator of the Xeno through Dr. Shaws’ body when that Engineer Alien mural predates the crew of the Prometheus’s arrival by 2000 years.
Also look at the rib cage of this Alien-Xeno does it not look bio-mechanical? It does to me!
All I see happening here is that David has taken Dr. Shaw and experimented on her and found the human to Xeno EGG metamorphosis that was taken out of the original Alien movie. Are Davids' experiments responsible for an Alien Queen that lays the eggs in the juggernaut?
There is no way that David is the original creator of the bio-mechanical-Xeno…he cannot be.
If someone can explain this better please try because many people are stating that David is the one who creates this creature from the black goo.
May-11-2017 2:38 AM
David has created several eggs (can't remember maybe 5 to 10). I'm pretty sure he used Shaw for that. (However, I have watched the movie in English with Korean subs, which are not my native languages.) Facehuggers hatching from these eggs give rise to the protomorph/xenomorph seen in this movie. Hence, David IS the reason, why these exist. Even R. Scott states it in an interview.
That does not mean, that he is also the creator of the original xenomorph, which looks also different.
May-11-2017 3:37 AM
I agree that David cant be the xeno OG creator. The mural in Prometheus has a DEACON creature which can lead to Xenia naturally in imo when dropped on a population with breasts/reproduction. Then again Ridley could pull it off with Android Dr.Moreau cause ,wait no. The enginneers on 223 were chest busted in their cryotubes so facehugger or something besides just goo made that happen. Watch nothing get explained leading to the next film or book. Still love the Ridders but why does David become a total Satanic deuschebag saying one thing in the Crossing then doing the opposite. Maybe in a way dr Shaw has brought the end of the galaxy by being a naïve "believer" and trusting/stitching David back together. Oh my
David poses as Walter
May-12-2017 1:06 PM
Guys, I see everyone loosing their minds in here. David Creates the xenos and they obey him, dunno why; the incubation rate is really fast compared to the other movies. (LIKE REAL FAST)
David explains Orem that he needed something important: A mother. Impregnating Orem with the protomorph that is cooked in a few minutes. When Orem wakes up he asks David in what he believes and David replies that he believes in creation, at the same time the xeno breaks out but instead the classic white little alien snake-type we get a miniature of the protomorph. David sees him, smiles and raises his hands, the protomorph sees this and does the same, he achieved what Humans in the 4 other movies of Alien did not. Seems like he created neomorphs with the spores and Protomorphs with the facehugger impregnation, the facehuggers embryos are small indicating that he seeds them in the eggs letting them grow safely. Awakening is the Prequel of Covenant.
May-13-2017 7:00 PM
I've just watched the movie and my take on this is, David engineers the Xenomorph eggs present in the film but not necessarily the species. The whole thing about him combining Shaw and the black goo to create an Ovomorph is to me going a bit too far. We know he has been experimenting with the black goo on different lifeforms, he also appears to have dissected Shaw for study but there is no information at all as to how he made the Ovomorph but it is clearly connected to the black goo. The presence of Shaw does not directly mean she was used to create the Ovomorph our only assumption regarding Shaw is that David has dissected her in order to better understand the human anatomy and its inner workings or that he has used samples of her in conjunction with black goo to observe the effects of the substance on human DNA more closely. Using her to construct an egg seems a bit far fetched from the presented evidence but that's not to say it can be ruled out, it to me seems unlikely though as Shaw is still fairly intact from what can be glimpsed, she's just been cut open and examined.
As for the David created Xenomorphs, well yes, in this film and on that planet he created those eggs but it is strongly implied throughout both prequels that the black goo was responsible for alien life and so it is more likely David was able to manipulate the goo in order to create that lifeform, the thing is we know he had time to study the Engineer culture as he travelled to Paradise, that includes the exact nature of the black goo. It is also a procedure that has likely already been done by the Engineers because in Prometheus we see a 2000 year old Xenomorph mural and the derelict on LV-426 which is probably even older contains the fossilised remains of an Engineer which fell victim to a facehugger as well as a payload of possibly over a million Xenomorph eggs. The only logical conclusion we can draw from that is Xenomorphs already exist, David was simply able to discover the process in order to create them himself and did so.
The final thing, I saw an earlier comment which referenced a deleted scene from Prometheus where the Engineer gets into the lifeboat to attack Shaw and that David deliberately gives her position away when she is hiding. That is not the case, David has no video feed available to him of the lifeboat or Shaw, he can only communicate verbally and hear what she is saying/doing. He warns her the Engineer is coming for her and when he gives her position away it is accidental and she immediately tells him to shut up to which he complies. At the end of Prometheus David only seems to have respect for Shaw and his actions towards her are in accordance with that respect and his own preservation. It would be pointless for him to get Shaw killed when he requires her help.
May-30-2017 9:19 AM
Those are beautiful drawings. I loved the ones in the movie as well. I am disappointed that we didn't get to see what happened to Shaw though, but I presume well be shown that in Alien Awakening.
I think it would be interesting if Shaw abandoned her moral code and reasoning in pursuit of the answers. That she learns all about the engineers as David did and comes to a conclusion that the Engineers must be destroyed. That she learns that we are all just lab rats in a galactic lab to seek perfection.
I would like to see her character change from naive believer to cold, hard survivor. That she'd rather eliminate, the engineers than be a lab rat.
Maybe she went along with David's plans to create the perfect organism themselves, a warped combination of black goo, her rebooted reproductive system (thanks to her baby squid) and David's nanobots (maybe).
Maybe she demanded answers before re-attaching David's head and learned that Weyland ordered him to try the black goo on Charlie. After a long time she might have forgiven him and needed his help as she became ill from her ordeal on LV223. As she knew she was dying she asked David to use her body to create the perfect xeno and to use it to wipe out all engineer life. Unfortunately she doesn't know that David still despises humans and sees himself as a God.
I want that story told, we need more in Awakening. Time for answers now.