TonehoundFacehuggerMember146 XPApr-15-2017 7:28 AM
Whoah! I cannot wait for this movie to drop! ♠️
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Goddamn Tropics in hereFacehuggerMember288 XPApr-15-2017 7:28 AM
Wow, so many gaps filled
Walter doing running repairs on David, plus a haircut!? Probably before Walter realises what he has done?
How nuts David looks
The Neo attack looks beyond vicious
The goo bombardment is just a shot to behold, pure evil
The planet's race of doomed humanoids
The Juggernaut in action
Ive had to sit down!
Inquisitor FifieldFacehuggerMember249 XPApr-15-2017 7:29 AM
omfg just overflew but that looks so awesome and epic
time to stay away from any more footage and spoilers now,tho.
so cu after release ;))
Chad RipleyFacehuggerMember103 XPApr-15-2017 7:33 AM
It's looking super gory, scary, and cool. I am beyond excited for this movie. Although I'am betting some annoying people are going to complain on social media because of the violence. It's ridiculous though because that's a key element to the alien universe. Back in the late 70's when a Xeno burst out of Kane's chest people freaked out but the internet didn't exist. That allowed that moment to become iconic and trolls couldn't destroy it. Word of mouth and the press made that scene spread like wildfire. I'm not saying that the complaints AC is gonna get will alter the movie in any way because that's impossible since it's finished. But I fear some will be really annoying about the gore and possibly diminish the super scary, violent scenes by ripping them apart (pun intended). People who come riding in on high horses drive me crazy. I don't know if what I'm trying to say makes sense but I hope AC is received in the way it was intended and the morality police stay quite. I think Ridley didn't pull any punches when he made this. He knows how crazy fans (us) are and I believe he is going to give us the movie we want and deserve.
Goddamn Tropics in hereFacehuggerMember288 XPApr-15-2017 7:44 AM
I want it to 'scare the **** out of me'
From where I'm standing Ridders has hit the jackpot
Just hope the acting matches how it looks
Im with IF, I think I've just about seen enough footage now....
TiwazChestbursterMember528 XPApr-15-2017 8:02 AM
While I looked through the pics I noticed something:
Thus far the proto's teeth were rather human like in the stills and shots.
In this shot (Empire) however the proto/xeno has pointy teeth. Does this mean there's more than one chap on the loose?
SkraphaOvomorphMember38 XPApr-15-2017 8:13 AM
I told myself not to read this post.....I couldn't help myself. All the "spoiler" tagged stuff so far has been somewhat opinion related and theory based, but this is the first real spoiler i have come across. Yes, the screening (at SXSW ?) described the dropping of canisters on a hapless crowd of pale skinned people, but to actually see the image....wow. I had to sit down after i read all this this and squinted all through the text.
Cant wait for this film, but this is the last Spoiler tagged post I dare read. It will be hard not to peak, but its like waiting for Christmas as a child, knowing that the large box in your parents closet is your gift, and not going to look when your parents are out of the house!
I live in San Francisco, and when i went down to the BART station (our local train system) the entire station was covered in HUGE alien covenant posters. The hype is real. Now to get me one of those posters.....
Roger55ChestbursterMember805 XPApr-15-2017 8:19 AM
My! What a **** pose from Daniels! Level 1! LOL ):
123EngineerFacehuggerMember143 XPApr-15-2017 9:04 AM
Spoiler spoiler spoiler °_°'.... Looks f***ing awesome!!! Love the engineer city and the neomorph!!!
IngenieroPraetorianMember3381 XPApr-15-2017 9:10 AM
Long live (or appearance of) David 8. Thank you for posting these pics!
David 7FacehuggerMember488 XPApr-15-2017 9:34 AM
I'm so wondering about what that large scorpion tail like structure is hanging over the city.
ChrisDeaconAdmin19646 XPApr-15-2017 10:41 AM
Good spot @Tiwaz! Indeed, the teeth are different. And it looks more like the Runner Alien after it birthed rather than a Chestburster. This may be a completely different Alien. Perhaps one born from an Engineer?!
When I lightened up the photo it also looks like this Alien has... Eyes? Check it out:
Necronom IVFacehuggerMember152 XPApr-15-2017 11:21 AM
That scorpion thinghy at closer inspection looks also like some variant of wishbone type craft, doesn't it? It is only closer whilst the jugger is farther away.
dkTrilobiteMember8212 XPApr-15-2017 11:48 AM
Just when I say I won't click on another spoiler........click!
centrosphereOvomorphMember45 XPApr-15-2017 11:52 AM
The leak from the SXSW screening described another ship that "entangled" with the Juggernaut. I really don´t get the reason for this. The well with the four sculptures is an hangar, and seems to be opening, maybe waiting for the Juggernaut to land _ but it never lands there. What I suppose here is that after realizing the hostile intention of the people onboard the Juggernaut, maybe the guys (they´re definitely not Engineers) try to destroy or at least force the Juggernaut outside the limits of the city. Probably this another ship plays a role in this action.
TheXenoneoprotomorphFacehuggerMember143 XPApr-15-2017 11:57 AM
I'm not reading that because of spoilers but those are Engineers, it literally says it right there lol, can't wait
smallfishOvomorphMember23 XPApr-15-2017 11:58 AM
I think I am in Love with Daniels . . .
David 7FacehuggerMember488 XPApr-15-2017 12:03 PM
That other craft most likely causes the Juggernaut with David on it to crash.
TheXenoneoprotomorphFacehuggerMember143 XPApr-15-2017 12:24 PM
My point is, those are Engineers!, it even says so in the magazine! Anybody else sees that?
LV-4FUOvomorphMember14 XPApr-15-2017 12:24 PM
Whoever runs this site is pretty classless as these images were stolen from another Alien fansite (AVPGalaxy). This is not cool.
Now, I am not a representative of that forum, but I did happen to see the news they posted very early in the morning today, only to see the news posted here a little later without giving proper credit.
If you're going to post these images without giving credit that is not cool. Passing someone else's work as your own is simply dishonest. Give credit to the original poster.
TheXenoneoprotomorphFacehuggerMember143 XPApr-15-2017 12:25 PM
Those bastards better have colonies thru out the universe!
TiwazChestbursterMember528 XPApr-15-2017 12:39 PM
@Chris maybe it's just a light spot/reflection. Then again, Giger had some xeno concepts with eyes Who knows...
AlphariusOvomorphMember29 XPApr-15-2017 12:42 PM
The ampule bomb scene looks devastating.
The humanoids resemble Engineers more than they resemble humans but they still look a bit off compared to the awakened Engineer in Prometheus. Maybe these beings are "middle aged" compared to the young sacrifical Engineer and the awakened one vs the Elder Engineers? Or are they an "in between" stage and one of the "evolutions" of humanoids that was mentioned here?
This phrase is quite interesting:
David witnessed a cycle of creation in Prometheus - Engineers, humans and synthetics - and saw his own creator destroyed. The obvious next step is to create life of his own to complete the circle.
That and along with David's phrase from Prometheus:
"Doesn’t everyone want their parents dead"
What could that cycle mean for David? Could this mean that David's creations will also destroy him or does his concept of "life" of "perfection" mean he intends creation to stop there and that he cannot be destroyed and effectively be at the top of the creation scale?
Very excited about this film.
Necronom IVFacehuggerMember152 XPApr-15-2017 12:46 PM
@centrosphere, re the 2nd ship I think you are right. It may also be that the hangar doors are closing and that ship left off from there. I think though these beings are same as the engineer ones, at least same caste as we see in beg of Prometheus.
AortaFacehuggerMember316 XPApr-15-2017 12:51 PM
LV-4FU- please consider your screen name before using the word 'classless'.
lokidokieOvomorphMember15 XPApr-15-2017 12:55 PM
LV-4FU, Yeah this is bull****.
dkTrilobiteMember8212 XPApr-15-2017 1:24 PM
LV-4FU and lokidokie
Did you set up accounts today just to be bitter? You could always PM administration with issues. That would be the classy thing to do.
BMacReadyOvomorphMember51 XPApr-15-2017 1:48 PM
Wow! This looks incredible! EPIC! In every sense of the word. Great article too! I particularly liked the 2nd or 3rd to last paragraph when John Logan is quoted as saying that he promises "different mutations" of the alien will come in the next two instalments in the franchises prequel series of films. I am so ****ing stoked for this film. I wish I lived in the UK so I could see it sooner. Damn! It looks worth the wait though! Psyched!
lokidokieOvomorphMember15 XPApr-15-2017 1:49 PM
dk, Someone already played the classy card, be original. And yes, I did just to agree with him cause I'm working as a news staff on another forum and this **** happens all the time and I hate that.
LV-4FUOvomorphMember14 XPApr-15-2017 2:11 PM
I don't mean to be disrespectful to other forum members here, but the Alien community tends to be pretty respectful. It seems unnecessary to do is all especially when AVP always cites the data they used from other sites (they don't always have the scoops and that is cool, too).
centrosphereOvomorphMember45 XPApr-15-2017 2:45 PM
Re: the ship. I considered that, but the geometry of the scene seems wrong, the other ship seems to be coming from another direction...but well, I think only a new trailer or the movie itself will clear that.
Re: the beings. As someone else said, they looks more like the Engineer than human, but nothwithstanding that they differs of the Engineer race in important ways. The Engineers look statuesque and don´t differ very much one from another (I´m not counting the elder engineers in Prometheus, since they didn´t make it to the film). These guys show a lot of differentiation between them: some are tall, some seems more thick, etc. They are not statuesque, and, although the definition of the photo is low, the eyes look wrong: both Engineers we know from Prometheus doesn´t have the sclera, or white of the eye. These guys there seems to have it, but we will only be sure when some photos with a better resolution emerge.
rumsmugglerOvomorphMember62 XPApr-15-2017 2:59 PM
These are some pretty cool images. I can't wait to for this to come out.
BigDaveDeaconMember10115 XPApr-15-2017 4:18 PM
@lokidokie and LV-4FU
I can see where you are coming from and i hope you do come and pay a visit more rather than just to join to say what has been done wrong... i can understand what your points are.
I will always give Credit if i come across anything from other sites and post to here, but i dont frequently look at the AVPGalaxy site but if i did see something interesting on there that has not been posted here i make sure i mention i spotted it from AVPGalaxy or which ever source i saw it.
BigDaveDeaconMember10115 XPApr-15-2017 4:29 PM
As far as the Scans it was very good of the person who was on AVP to upload them, they indeed do provide some very interesting information and shots.
As far as those beings are concerned i think they are connected to the Engineers, but then so are we Mankind.
I notice they lack the Polish of the Engineers but in Prometheus a lot of Gloss work was added to them in the SPFX department as far as those who touch up the Scenes.
Maybe the Theatrical Cut they would be more Polished, i hope its not a oversight or being lazy, but then i guess it could be costly to go to the same effort as they did in Prometheus with some Prospectics for a short Shot that will only show these beings this close for a matter of seconds.
They did put more effort into the Elders in Prometheus which was cut, but only as far as a handful the other handful in the back ground they did not put as much detail into them as they was distant shots.
Who knows maybe these beings are a somewhat missing link between Engineers and Humans?
The Hall of Heads seems to reflect the Elders from Prometheus more, and we need to remember the Engineer in Prometheus said he came from Paradise, so we need to ask is this Planet Paradise? I would assume it logically would be as i cant see why David would take Shaw any place else.
We need to maybe look in context to Paradise Lost and remember Paradise was where Civilization of Early Mankind Began. And so Adam and Eve but we dont have to look at it too literally just as we cant look at there being ONE God in context to the Franchise.
Ridley Scott said the Engineers were Fallen Angels and we need to maybe consider, are those Engineers in Prometheus thus a Fallen Sect of Angels who was tasked with watching over Creation on Paradise as this is the Role the Cherubim Angels was tasked with in part in the Bible and that was to Guard the Garden of Eden on Paradise.
These Cherubim are also on the Arc of the Covenant and thus also the Covenant Badges, now if the LV-223 Engineers were indeed Cherubim who was tasked to watch over creation and Civilization on Paradise then Technically they could say they came from Paradise without having to be 100% Genetically related to those beings on Paradise.
QubismFacehuggerMember124 XPApr-15-2017 4:46 PM
Well the magazine is out there and my original quickie snaps from my relic Nokia 1020 were on the comments of the news piece before these images so it's not like there is only one source of pics of a national magazine on the whole bloody internet and this site just swiped them.
I've been here since before Prometheus and now my feet hurt, so shut up moaning, moaners.
Stay classy Sandiego (Spanish for "Whale's Vagina" according to reliable source Ron Burgundy - honestly no one credited the Stay Classy quote and I am OUTRAGED...... seriously, chill the **** out everyone)
2000 years ago some bloke said "Why can't we all just be nice to each other?" I'd go along with that...... but then some idiots nailed him to a tree. You all know what happened next.
QubismFacehuggerMember124 XPApr-15-2017 5:18 PM
Gosh Darnit! Ya made me get my scanner out!
EMPIRE Contents page.....SCOOP! (jk)
A L I E N 4 2 6 FacehuggerMember444 XPApr-15-2017 5:25 PM
Love the adult Neo! Looks really good and big! Glad they don't stay small.
BigDaveDeaconMember10115 XPApr-15-2017 6:16 PM
Indeed that can always happen one person scans stuff and then it spreads all over the place in various forms, just like those Alien Covenant set Props leaked by SO IS IT ANY GOOD Website
I want to personally Thank You Qubism for your time and Effort in Scanning those Pages for us all. Cheers.
Never had the Magazine at my local Shop and had busy day, so Tuesday i will pop to my nearest Large Chain Supermarket and Grab me a Copy, if not i have to go try some other places.
TiwazChestbursterMember528 XPApr-15-2017 7:23 PM
@Qubism "... nailed him to a tree..." good one! lol
Roger55ChestbursterMember805 XPApr-15-2017 7:42 PM
Better quality! Thanks for sharing! Daniels! LOL
TomFacehuggerMember104 XPApr-15-2017 8:19 PM
Those scanned pics are awesome, way better quality than the photos the avpgalaxy people were b#tching about us looking at for some reason, hah. Thanks for posting these!!
Well those are def not engineers like from Prometheus, unless some of them just have more cromagnon features and whites of their eyes, instead of all black eyes.
I feel like this must just be some other humanoid planet like earth that is more advanced, and they worship the engineers or something.
centrosphereOvomorphMember45 XPApr-15-2017 8:48 PM
Yes. It´s more evident from these photos: these guys have the white of the eye and definitely lack the statuesque stance. I don´t think this is only due to unfinished CGI work. They are not Engineers.
Why David unleashed the black goo on them? Maybe he wasn´t aware of the difference at the time. Or maybe he was bent to experiment on them anyway. One way or another, it looks to me that as soon as they arrived at Paradise, Shawn wasn´t in control of the situation _ remember that she wanted answers, so bombing people before being able to ask any question isn´t a wise move.
Little NewtOvomorphMember32 XPApr-16-2017 12:26 AM
Hmmm....just a comment from my roommate here...David's brown hair roots equals about 3-4 months of hair re-growth in her opinion. She finds it interesting that David has been maintaining the bleaching of his hair, but not bothered with actual hair-cuts and inconveniently "runs" out of hair bleach 4 months prior to the covenant crew arriving...Please do share your thoughts on this as she is genuinely puzzled as to why he has been interested (and able) in keeping up with the bleaching since Prometheus.
PS: Photos look TOTALLY AWESOME!!!!!!
CarynDelacroixFacehuggerMember106 XPApr-16-2017 1:17 AM
@BigDave "Who knows maybe these beings are a somewhat missing link between Engineers and Humans?"
They very well could be evolutionary ancestors of us; however, the archaeologists and evolutionary biologists discovered that there's basically no such thing as "missing links." At least not as we think of them: the fabled transitional fossils don't exist.
Analysis of the fossil remains of mankind's ancestors has shown that a number of our early assumptions about the evolutionary processes were slightly incorrect. Evolution follows a branching process, and it's technically incorrect to say we evolved from the same line as the Great Apes. The missing link was found to be a myth, yet all the early hominid lines are related. Instead of missing links, we find what's known as "last common ancestors" (between us and them).
It's easier to trace mankind's lineage along the MUTHUR's side of things by following mitochondrial DNA through the X chromosome. Archaeologists are able to follow this line of thinking back to "Mitochondrial Eve" and what they call the "Universal Ancestor." Dr. Shaw knew all this before David began studying evolutionary biology further, so she didn't want to get into it with Millburn (who still believed in missing links).
Perhaps the Engineers with the black eyes evolved on a dark planet that has low light conditions, or were grown somewhere out in the darkness of space - far away from a sun? The ones from Prometheus could be mostly nocturnal, in a sense, i.e. they mostly come at night. Mostly. The shape the body takes is very influenced by environmental factors, and pupils that take in light are one of the first things that creatures evolve. Even plants can be said to possess extremely early versions of eyes within the chloroplasts, while their stomata act as tiny shutters that can open and close. Most sufficiently advanced forms of life will begin to develop eyeballs and evolve towards color vision, allowing them to eventually perceive more of the electromagnetic spectrum. The ALIEN, on the other hand, doesn't really need its eyes anymore, as it has other methods of sensing its prey. The eyes may atrophy over time from lack of use in the ALIEN species. So the eyes we see in the one creature are more of a vestigial trait that is no longer very advantageous. However, they would be able to tap back into this method of sensing their prey, should they need it...
sataanOvomorphMember29 XPApr-16-2017 4:57 AM
The picture where Daniels is shooting at something...it seems so dark, yet in the trailer, there is a lot more light. Any ideas on this?
djamelamezianeFacehuggerMember143 XPApr-16-2017 5:30 AM
Eh so these are engineers?! They look more like almost human. Not like the ones in Prometheus. They were all the same in Prometheus clones as such bigger possibly and more muscular. If these engineers can't spot a ship full of black goo with an android flying it what level of intelligence / technology are we talking? They seem to have a big scorpion like ship thingy next to David's ship that looks advanced...weird. It's very odd if this is the home world of such an advanced race I wonder what's happened there...a relapse in advancement? Rejection of technology in some way?
Certainly some interesting stuff does look good so far.
Lol shouting over who copied someone else's work first...funny.
CarynDelacroixFacehuggerMember106 XPApr-16-2017 5:49 AM
The ones in Prometheus may have had an incredibly muscular physique, and lots of testosterone, from spending all their time slaving away for the hierarchy. I've revised my position on how the hierarchy works after seeing the mention & the pics.
Weyland-Yutani probably wouldn't like us focusing too much on the hair right now, as it may be connected to many other ideas. I have a number of thoughts on the hair, but I want to wait until after the film is released to form a hypothesis. It's complicated, and there are too many unknowns at this stage.
Male pattern baldness is influenced by male hormones and passed along the Y chromosome. Most of the prisoners in ALIEN 3 were mutant freaks with double Y chromosomes; some of them were likely bald-headed even before the lice outbreak. Just by possessing the double Y chromosome, W-Y could tell these prisoners had little chance of rehabilitation.
There appears to be a lack of females in the picture we're seeing of the Engineers, although it's hard to tell. They could be the slightly taller ones in the background, with the hoods pulled up over their heads, making it difficult to determine if they have the same problems with baldness as the males.
Cutting his hair is a good idea if David wants to keep his bangs out of his eyes; Walter's got his back, and he can help reach the parts he can't see. The infection hybridizes itself with the host's DNA and moves behind the eyes. Now that Dr. Shaw is no longer with him, Walter helps cut and dye David's hair so he doesn't miss a spot: they need his hair to be even.
Female birds are the ones who are larger than the males, on average, due to how sexual dimorphism usually plays out for their species. If we're looking at a few female Engineers in these pictures, the taller ones might be better at playing basketball (which appears to be the company's preferred sport). In Resurrection, they extract the Queen's DNA from Ripley's hair while cloning her. Then a few of the ex-Weyland scientists make her play ball. They can easily reverse her aging if they want Ripley to be part of the team...
centrosphereOvomorphMember45 XPApr-16-2017 7:09 AM
I really sense that we have to apply a lot of "suspension of disbelief" when talking about evolution in the context of the Alien franchise. The whole idea of humans being "created" by an advanced race is, to begin with, deeply antagonistic to everything we know about Homo evolution on Earth. So I think this is a improductive line of reasoning.
BUT if we want to explore a little bit more this side of things, there is another very interesting theory concerning the sclera (the white of the eyes). One or two years ago I made contact with a literature that explains the sclera as an adaptive trait in social species. The reasoning is that the existence of the sclera allows your partner to see where are you looking at, something that can convey intentionality and could be useful in the context of hunting and social interaction in general. Interesting, no?
BlueantOvomorphMember41 XPApr-16-2017 9:18 AM
Great pics to be sure. I have it on unreliable sources that the larger scorpion shaped ship, as another chatter put it, is a larger Juggernaut. Plot hole as big as the city or planet here of course.
If the ship is so big and these are Engineers, Why do they not see David coming in the smaller ship before he reaches the planet and intercept him?
Even more excited now to see this film. I think its a cool looking design. However, I wanted the Elders or Engineer home world to be as complex and built up as the ship...These Engineers or Elders are a 100000 years more advanced than us. The fact that they are all running around and have no hand held energy weapons astounds me....seems to me that the black goo is way more powerful than we thought. For me the other aspects of their culture are wrong as well. Clothing and city structures would be a lot more advanced. I think they would be wearing something else besides what looks like hand sewn clothing, While the Engineer in Prometheus is wearing a very advanced organic synthetic based combat/warrior suit.
K-Theory OvomorphMember86 XPApr-16-2017 9:57 AM
No, for the LAST TIME, THESE ARE NOT ENGINEERS! TheXenoneoprotomorph, are you blind? It never says, "here, these are THE Engineers from Prometheus." It simply asks, "is this the Engineer city?"
AdamPDFacehuggerMember198 XPApr-16-2017 10:35 AM
I'm guessing the ship that's vertical is the one David is on, as the position of it and the view looking down, seem to be the same
I guess it goes into a vertical position when it goes into bombing mode.
The other ship in the distance might be coming to intercept David's ship, but would they risk shooting the ship down over a populated area? Especially if they know it carries death.
I'm guessing they shoot at it after he bombs the city, hence it crashes into the jungle
LH31OvomorphMember16 XPApr-16-2017 11:26 AM
The neomorph has its tail wrapped round it's victims legs to incapacitate them.
TiwazChestbursterMember528 XPApr-16-2017 12:20 PM
I also suspect David being on the larger "ship". But we don't know what happens to it. We only know there's a crashed juggernaut in the forest with a holo-recording of Shaw.
As for the inhabitants of Paradise, I don't believe they're Engineers. Actually we can't even say if the Engineers are a race or a culture consisting of several races.
Further they must have at least some "technological" level, judging from the buildings in the background. Especially the dome is something you need sophisticated knowledge for to build it. That thing is huge.
TheXenoneoprotomorphFacehuggerMember143 XPApr-16-2017 3:36 PM
Guys, so is it safe to read or will I get too spoiled?
MrJonesyOvomorphMember24 XPApr-16-2017 4:03 PM
I'm hoping they leave some surprises for the movie. Based on the posters showing different organisms gestating in several crew members maybe there'll be more as yet unseen beasties? Also, the humanoids in the scanned images appear different to Engineers - probably a planet seeded by them and civilisation evolved like humans according to their surroundings. Maybe saving the true Engineer home-world for the final instalment.
MrJonesyOvomorphMember24 XPApr-16-2017 4:19 PM
Whilst I'm thinking - if David drops the black goo payload on the engineer/humanoids this would lead to them mutating and killing each other as seen in set photos (fighting poses) - but how does this explain the trailer and photos showing burned bodies littering the ground? Did something else burn them up after the black goo drop???
BigDaveDeaconMember10115 XPApr-16-2017 5:22 PM
As far as the Ships are concerned it gave a me a theory that is also a theory that Ingeniero touched upon in one of there posts regarding the potential for Shaw and David to be flying TWO Ships..
I made a Topic to push this further, by looking at IF this was the case then it would have taken time to Teach Shaw how to Fly the Ship and it would be more likely they obtained the Other ship maybe before they get to this World and so i pondered is this Planet 4, not Paradise but that Paradise was a place Shaw and David arrived at first then obtained a 2nd Ship and went on a Crusade to Rid the Galaxy of the Engineer Threat on every World related to them.
But looking at the Scans in more depth, as a Topic Today covered, shows the Circular Hole in the Courtyard indeed looks like a Hanger from Prometheus which means these beings or at least those who Watch Over them, have got Juggernaught related Ships on this World... which kind of means my Topic the other day is a bit MUTE now.
The Cinemacon Footage, people gave a varied accounts but they both appear to suggest the Juggernaught either connects to another Juggernaught (in one report) or connects to some kind of device that comes from where the Ship Docks and connects to the Juggernaught (other report).
And so maybe if these reports are legit, which i think they are, then it means maybe the Juggernaught and the Scorpion Tail Ship connect together?
BigDaveDeaconMember10115 XPApr-16-2017 5:31 PM
I think what i mean by missing link, is that these beings are connected to both Humans and Engineers, yet different to both.
We have to remember Prometheus was setting us up down the path that it was Engineer DNA that was infused with Mankind, maybe over and over with some primitive Races or maybe Primates to produce Modern Day Humans.
The Source i had over 2 years ago claimed that Prometheus 2 was to show us that Mankind on Earth are the 4th/5th Generation of our kind and instead of the Evolutionary Tree as below.
That instead Engineers DNA or Engineers fit into this somehow, and so they was hinting that there was previous older Ancestors to us who predate us who do not originate from Earth.
And these shots from the Empire Magazine seem to back this up.
Also as far as Females, yes there are Females on Paradise and they do appear to be smaller than the Males but also Bald too.
As we can see in this image.
Looking at the Sources claims, it could be that these beings on Paradise was created and form some kind of Horrific Sacrificial Agenda, and the beings above them, taught them many things and could come down to collect Sacrifices from them.
centrosphereOvomorphMember45 XPApr-16-2017 6:39 PM
I have a suggestion for what we see in the pictures.
Maybe as soon as David bombarded the humanoids with the black goo _ and as an ammunition system, there is probably an ACTIVATED form of black goo that has different properties than the leaked unnactivated form that we saw in Prometheus (and created the hammerpedes and the mutaded Fifield at least, Holloway could be another case) _ they start changing immediately, creating the neomorphs. And then a few moments after that, when the surviving humanoids realize they are being attacked there is some exchange of God knows what kind of fire between the Juggernaut and the Scorpion ship. The last one explodes, incinerating the remaining humanoids _ this is why we see the incinerated corpses.
Of course the problem with this idea is: wouldn´t the neomorphs be incinerated also? We really don´t know how the activated black goo works. It could affect a very large area, then effectively covering much more area than the blast of the Scorpion ship explosion.
The Juggernaut probably is damaged, and can only manage to have a brutal landing on a nearby forest.
djamelamezianeFacehuggerMember143 XPApr-16-2017 6:51 PM
This does slightly tie into an old theory I had that the engineers are deeply religious or part of their society is and possibly that part won out restricting advancement in technology. Opting for a more Buddhist type approach though obviously with better tech than us by far. Possibly paradise is just that...a beautiful planet with everything you could want no more no less kind of place.
Hopefully we get to see elders or demi God and how they are related. My money is still on the black goo being from the demi God.
Pretty sure David is on the smaller ship to the right as it was filled with the black goo bombs in Prometheus. Possibly he cloaked and warped right into position or something...hopefully there's a reason he gets past the defences :s .
BigDaveDeaconMember10115 XPApr-16-2017 7:06 PM
Certainly appears to be that way ;)
Interesting idea, yes indeed those corpses all look Burnt latter and this clearly is now how the Black Goo performed in Prometheus.
Maybe after realizing whats happening some of these beings run to the Central Dome Cathedral where inside they activate some kind of Fail Safe Device that both fries those Engineers/beings thus Preventing the Outbreak and also knocking the Juggernaught out of the Sky.
If you look at the Top Image we can see (i have enhanced it) that it appears to be like some kind of Flood, that has covered those beings. But we also see plenty of Ripples within this like Flood of Water.
Is this Shot actually some kind of Flood, of Black Goo?
What are the ripples, just ripples in the flow of this liquid, or what if something Electrical impacts the Liquid, we all know what Water and Electricity does... could this explain the Burnt bodies that remain after in the lower image?
BlueantOvomorphMember41 XPApr-16-2017 7:27 PM
I am not saying 100% that these are engineers that David is wiping out with the black goo; however, we still have to find out why they have a large ship that clearly holds a lot of something. The ship is big so who ever build it is very advanced. The ship also looks like its built the same way as the Juggernaut. Also, why do these supposedly "non engineers" have a landing platform in the first place for a juggernaut. Second why are their clothes so similar to the garb in Prometheus that the Elders and even the sacrificial engineer is wearing. Even the material looks similar to the clothing worn by the Elders or what ever the elders are.
centrosphereOvomorphMember45 XPApr-16-2017 8:05 PM
Until now I hadn´t pay attention to the "ripples". In the nocturnal scene you reproduced it´s almost as the "ripples" are indeed other landing platforms, only covered _ like those we see in Prometheus. Curiously, the "ripples" that we see at the diurnal scene leaked from the magazine are different.
Yes this is a nice point. I was also puzzled about why these humanoids, that are not Engineers, seems to have Engineer technology _ or at least, spacefaring technology similar to that of the Engineers in LV-233 (but not similar to the spaceship of the Elders). The most straightforward explanation is that they are not the same race, but are in contact. Another explanation could be that Engineer society organizes in castes with different physical attributes; maybe these guys are normal people, and the ones we saw on LV-233 are the military caste. Personally I still believe they are another race.
ExistenzableOvomorphMember39 XPApr-16-2017 11:20 PM
This may be the definitive follow-up to the original Alien. It would be beautiful to see Covenant begin or end with a tribute to H.R. Giger. He and Ridley Scott created a movie that will be appreciated 200 years from now. One brilliant man did an upgrade on humankind's view of monsters. Ridley made a believable, flawlessly paced cinematic work of art with creatures the likes of which no one had dreamed before (the Alien and the Space Jockey).
In memory of H.R. Giger
Fingers crossed. Looks like Covenant will be worthy of Giger's nightmares. And David's machinations are clearly going to be fascinating!
I still hope Shaw has a big role in the story. Rapace, to me, is as good (if not better) than Fassbender.
The First ChildOvomorphMember15 XPApr-17-2017 12:07 AM
The crooked man is back. And this time he's bigger and badder than ever before.
bregoOvomorphMember81 XPApr-17-2017 12:36 AM
Couldn't help but look.... But I did.
Things I have noticed.
David is teaching Walter to play a flute. Could this be flying lessons for the "other" ship?
David and Walter together in some form of platform overlooking paradise?
@littlenewt I'm with you on David's hair colour, His roots should indeed be dark.
Baby Xenomorph. Crystalline teeth are in keeping with the original chest burster/big chap. We have never seen a Xeno half way through it's growth faze, from Burster to Adult. I suspect that this is it.
Folks I still think this will turn out to all take place on LV426.
The engineers we saw in Prometheus are simply meat bag clones of the Engineer people we see in the scans. The are physically perfect. Bred, grown and perfected for the sole purpose of creating life. Hence the different appearance to both the Elders in the deleted scenes of Prometheus and the scans here.
Just my thoughts!
Oh and some form of Queen will be the big surprise and her name will be Elizabeth!
Deep SpaceFacehuggerMember320 XPApr-17-2017 2:40 AM
Too many folk to reply to all at once (or too much effort to quote . . . :) )
The mag does say they are engineers. Read it! That could mean anything though at this point as it also says they are a civilisation, rather than a race, so diversity may be common? We just don't know enough yet.
I'd also wager they don't look so peachy after x amount of years in some form of cryo sleep away from sunlight. We'd look pale(r), no? Possible reason, anyway.
As for the eyes, maybe another adaptation to stasis/space travel? Who knows but those 'suits' look to merge with biology so who knows what effects they have. The 'sacrificial' fella in Prom would surely have just been wakened from a long period, no?
The engineers we see in Prom could be clones (but I doubt it) or simply a slightly different humanoid type that is part of the whole engineer culture? Are our astronauts reflective of the human race en masse? I'd say they show the very pinnacle of our species (subjective, I know) so perhaps the same occurs with Engineers?
With regards to technology why assume because they don't all carry iphones and aren't whizzing about on hover boards that they must be less advanced? The ship says a lot (we can't do that!) We also only see a tiny portion of the whole world so who knows what else is there . . .
It also says that they discovered a kind of way to manipulate gravity that we haven't realised yet, so perhaps they have some huge advances over us but also lag behind in other regards? It's possible. Or maybe their knowledge/tech prefers a more natural aesthetic? If you are advanced maybe you favour or see the need for more 'natural' technology? Are cars good for Earth, as an example?
If they saw the juggernaught approaching we don't know what they would think. Welcome home, who's this, that's odd etc . . . I doubt they'd suspect an AI humanoid from Earth with an apparent need for revenge, carrying a whole ship load of the bad kind of gooeyness, was about to start the party . . .
I think some folk here are being either a bit too simplistic or massively over thinking things :) (there's irony for you)
I think the big question(s) here now is why has David done this and where is Shaw? Is this the first place they've visited since LV223?
My feeling is that this is a civilisation that is part of the whole engineer culture. Perhaps multitudes of humanoids that vary slightly all form a larger culture. This could be where the idea of civil war and abuse of the 'sacrificial goo' may fit in?
What also interests me is if there is a race or being above them (engineers)? Perhaps the original 'humanoid', as we know they seed life elsewhere, or even something else entirely?
Disappointed to see David being the 'destroyer of worlds' in some ways but if the above is somewhere near the answer then it opens up many more doors and intrigue . . . Sets up and adds more clues to the enginners' culture and links to ALIEN (which is what I'm mostly here for, mostly)
As ever, it's certainly going to look stunning if nothing else :)
MrJonesyOvomorphMember24 XPApr-17-2017 3:59 AM
Think Shaw has possibly met a grizzly end and fallen victim to David's tinkering with biomechanics. She might be the dissected body on the slab in David's laboratory, (similar pose to hologram in trailer) or she might turn up at some point as a Xeno-hybrid, aka Queen - maybe too far-fetched, but would be awesome!
TiwazChestbursterMember528 XPApr-17-2017 6:40 AM
For me your reasoning is valid. Guess the reason for people to assume they're not Engineers are Scott's statements bout them creating multiple races, not just mankind and something like "... humans have been there before...". But alas there are too many red herrings and misleads flying in space. ;)
Davefried81FacehuggerMember240 XPApr-17-2017 6:58 AM
The beings on the planet, Engineers or not, look like Uncle Fester :)
Davefried81FacehuggerMember240 XPApr-17-2017 7:12 AM
Looks like Shaw is not dead- She "disappeared"
TiwazChestbursterMember528 XPApr-17-2017 7:15 AM
Hehe Uncle Fester, now I know what went wrong with the Engineers! XD
Grinning & Dropping LinenFacehuggerMember245 XPApr-17-2017 8:50 AM
I do not believe the beings in the photos are Engineers or at least the same genetic Engineers we have met so far or the one's from Prometheus. They are pink in skin color and their eyes are not coal black like in Prometheus, they also lack the venting and odd skin marks that look sort of mechanical like the Engineer in Prometheus. I believe this may be another faction of Engineers or another genetic version of them.
I know that Empire's article referred to them as Engineers but how many times have you read an article about a movie or watched a "Movie Reviewer" on Youtube who said things that made no sense, and clearly had no understanding of the film or material they were reviewing or reacting to?
It happens often.
While i feel that these beings are in the same lineage as the Engineers in Promtheus i feel that these are the peaceful faction of that race and the one's in Prometheus had experimented on themselves with the goo as they have that odd venting on the necks and arms that was clearly not a suit but organic. Perhaps the Engineers in Prometheus were designed to be the soldiers of the Engineer race thus the reason for their different look and the venting and ribbing around their necks, arms, legs etc.
sherrisChestbursterMember516 XPApr-17-2017 12:36 PM
i believe that the elders at the start of prometheus CREATED the engineers we know. the well defined, pale blue engineer was the "ultimate designer baby"the elders created them to seed life throughout the galaxy. at some point this faction of engineers decided they no longer wanted to give up their life in exchange for creation and some form of hostility grew to war. so weyland created david. the elders created the engineer. i often wondered why the engineer gave david a look of sympathy or empathy before ripping off his head. perhaps this is why? its something i came up with after reading some background on the engineers.
sherrisChestbursterMember516 XPApr-17-2017 12:41 PM
does anyone think that the larger ship, on one end it looks like the bird face creatures head. the one from the mural
Roger55ChestbursterMember805 XPApr-17-2017 1:46 PM
That s Empire capture of Adult Neo is very similar to this one, you can see in action in this incredible video animation:
ChrisDeaconAdmin19646 XPApr-17-2017 3:04 PM
@Qubism, amazing scans thank you! I've updated the OP with them!
djamelamezianeFacehuggerMember143 XPApr-17-2017 3:46 PM
Of course there is another explanation which no one wants...bad production. Possibly it was too expensive to make them like before. But hopefully it's not that! Fester heh...good one. I hope I won't be watching YouTube videos of Adams family music played over clips from this film later on :s .
centrosphereOvomorphMember45 XPApr-18-2017 4:31 AM
No way this could be bad production. Scott is renown for his love of detail. A production this big wouldn´t make such a mess. I think the hypothesis advanced by sherris could have some grain of truth.
Productions as the alien franchise, mainly at this stage of the movie industry, tend to be less and less messy on the crafting side. On the other hand they can depend heavily on the "suspension of disbelief" to meet some objectives in terms of visual mighty and enterteinment value. Only this can explain the concept of an advanced starship like the Juggernaut resorting to methods of bomb delivery tried and tested in Dresden, II WW.
Gunner 99OvomorphMember12 XPApr-18-2017 7:44 AM
Amazing photos. Thank you VERY MUCH!!!
I have a lot of time visiting this website every day.
PD: David rules!
AlienbulliOvomorphMember14 XPApr-18-2017 9:12 AM
Awesome shots and looks fab can't wait now to release but please don't show to much more.
I tend to think the humanoids are indeed engineers but the 'civilian' type who happily plod along in there lives.
Are the engineers we see in prometheus engineered from the black goo possibly while still in pregnancy to fill a need for 'perfected' humanoids to serve as scientists, troopers etc. The black goo we know what ut does to a adult but with there biotechnology who knows maybe they've perdecked black goo to make super humans .
That big scorpion is awesome maybe a docking arm. I wonder if they have lika a ship registry in there system like omg this ship that last was logged at lv423 2000 years ago suddenly appeared all crew should be long dead
LVBankOvomorphMember40 XPApr-18-2017 12:10 PM
HA-->Uncle Fester comment made me laugh out loud at work. So many comments on such cool pictures i could not read them all- so forgive me if i repeat someone else's thoughts.
A small theory that i could possibly see happening is that once the black goo canisters are dropped- people(engineers or not) start mutating and killing each other- then something kills them all with one blast- BUT the black goo thats dropped remains and seeps into the earth and vegetation. Which goes back to the first trailer- where they step on that plant and the flying black goo goes into that guys ear! So everything on that planet is infected and thats why there are "no birds, no animals, nothing" ... but the top of the food chain leftover: the Xenomorph. Plus other fun mutated creatures that survive and kill off all of the normal animals. I could see a Xeno chompin down on a fox running through the woods- nice snack, but then again do they actually ever eat anything?
Grinning & Dropping LinenFacehuggerMember245 XPApr-18-2017 12:36 PM
Perhaps what you suggest could be a cool possibility. Maybe David/Shaw drops the canisters of goo from the juggernaut ship on the population and they start mutating. The other ship in the picture which looks like a scorpion tale sort of is a vessel that watches over and protects this planet or is part of the defense system. Maybe once it sees what the goo is doing down below as part of a fail safe they launch a weapon that chars and burns everything below to kill the mutation and then maybe it either is destroyed in a clash with the juggernaut or leaves the planet to suggest that the controlling faction of Engineers or higher beings may return to set things right. But a clash between that ship and the David/Shaw piloted juggernaut would explain it not being present any longer when the Covenant arrives and the juggernaut having clearly crashed. Perhaps they fired their fail safe and fried everything below to stop the mutated beings and then went after David's juggernaut but were destroyed in the process of knocking it out of the air.
LVBankOvomorphMember40 XPApr-18-2017 1:25 PM
@ Grinning and Dropping Linen
Like where your heads at- the larger ship does look poised to do something! Whether its to be the defense system like you said and it could even be leaving as it erases the infected civilization. There does seem to be a bunch of specs in the main circle- like they are praying to a god that destroys them. And you can see some of those specs on the bombing run pic too. I think this movie needs to be longer... these pics look really cool
KurtisRayOvomorphMember21 XPApr-18-2017 2:37 PM
@ Grinning and Dropping Linen
I like it. It may even be another engineer piloting the other ship.
bregoOvomorphMember81 XPApr-19-2017 2:02 AM
As predicted before the release of Prometheus (and laughed at by many). Shaw will be the mother of the Xenomorph we all know and love!
bregoOvomorphMember81 XPApr-19-2017 2:02 AM
As predicted before the release of Prometheus (and laughed at by many). Shaw will be the mother of the Xenomorph we all know and love!
ChrisDeaconAdmin19646 XPApr-19-2017 10:08 AM
@LV-4FU, We get news submissions daily, through email and our Facebook pages. I was sent a URL to an imgur album and was told scans were online. I honestly don't have time to check AvPGalaxy or their forums every hour for updates. Usually Aaron over there will message me when a new update drops and I get an email notification of that. But I heard nothing this time. Yes they're quick on a lot of stuff, but when I checked their site recently I see they had watermarked their own scans. If I had posted their scans without credit, the watermarks would have remained on the images. They may have posted them first as well, but again, I'm very busy and don't have time to check all these other forums. Happy to credit when they do get scoops or beat us to news. I've always given proper credit in the past.
I sourced the link I was provided. So, I did cite my sources. Let's not get heated over something so trivial. We aim to keep the peace and maintain community here. Not spread hate and throw around egos.
Walter 8OvomorphMember13 XPApr-19-2017 1:03 PM
These beings don't appear to look like the Engineers we've seen in Prometheus. But then again, the Engineers themselves don't look like the Space Jockey. Perhaps they aren't all the same? It even confirms the Engineers aren't a species as a whole, and said they are more of a civilization
Jeri.theSOBOvomorphMember86 XPApr-19-2017 7:03 PM
i cant imagine shaw being the mother of the alien. the time line wouldn't match up since the eggs in Alien 1979 were there for long enough that the pilot was fossilized and for ridly scot to say the derelict was ancient, and then the mural in prometheus would make no sense as well. also fifield mutating into a xeno from the black goo would no longer make any sense as well. The alien would also cease to be alien if it was the product of a human and a robot messing around with genetics. also the engineers in the cryo pods in prometheus had holes in their chests and the glass of the pods showing there were probably xenos present at one point.
IenginerOvomorphMember1 XPApr-21-2017 1:50 AM
Just maybe.....David and Shaw are fighting each other. Maybe David has his own plan and Shaw don't know it when they arrive into "paradise". David docks Juggernaut ship in Scorpion ship (maybe ship left by Engineers known from Prometheus), its size is enough to dock in smaller derelict ship (as a transport ship). Then he bombs arena full of "engineers" with goo from cargo bay in derelict and Shaw is reacting. She takes ship and burns all "engineers" to prevent infection and then she crashes in the mountains and dies(maybe she can't fly as good as David). Before that she records information about threat. David left alone without any subject to test goo is waiting for occasion studying dead bodies. And the occasion is there when Covenant is landing. Maybe he wants to be new God and create his own child like his creator.