Aug-04-2016 9:35 AM
Could be, but the flashing lights? Could be like the Prometheus - upon arriving at the destination the light flicker. Could be part of the opening scene, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this is not a cryo-sleep chamber...
Aug-04-2016 9:47 AM
This ship did depart prior to the Prometheus mission. Could be an older class of vessel, which has that industrial look. It appears she has a number on her head. We know that there over "20" people aboard this ship. So, the design of the tubes could be older in design. But also could be a containment system for someone who has a "parasite" or illness...
Aug-04-2016 9:52 AM
already stunning... mannnn feeling all kubrick right now..my popcorn will be cooking on low til the trailer comes out
Aug-04-2016 10:11 AM
Hm.. that is most interesting. Could be some sort of body cast for an injured crew member on the ship. Could be set aside and put into cryo for future treatment.
Aug-04-2016 10:19 AM
@Patient Leech I thought that too, inpregnanted member?... but it looks like waterston to me... This shot may be a "low cost" cryo sleep.
Aug-04-2016 10:37 AM
Hmm looks very like Shaw to me.
It's also reminiscent of the David 8 viral scene, where he was unwrapped!
Or this is someone completely different, maybe even a new covert female android?
Anyway this is great, more teasing, nothing given away!
Aug-04-2016 11:55 AM
The face puts me in mind of Noomi not Katherine and notice it is wearing the utilitarian shirt that David the butler wore rather than the vests associated with cryo sleep.
It is also noticeable that the body element has David/Michaels distinctive sloping shoulders when he is stood up.
What ever is happening I think its telling us some thing about where we left off. Noomi's face and Davids shirt.
Aug-04-2016 4:37 PM
I was also convinced that the covenant is older tech and launched before Prometheus. An old slower space-ark type ship carrying "couples" in cryo.
The problem with that theory is the Weyland-Yutani patches. The ship had to have been launched after Prometheus for the merger to have happened.
Very cool picture!
Aug-04-2016 5:38 PM
idk...it looks like Waterston to me but it is a far away clip.... the laughing lines outside the nose are more prominent on waterston than Rapace but who knows it could be shaw.. :
Aug-04-2016 5:57 PM
I would say it's Watertson.....most other sites are saying it's her. Her nose gives it away for me.
She seems to be in hypersleep?
hope that reflection isn't a xenomorph....
Aug-04-2016 6:01 PM
@MonsterZero where is the reflection? xenomorph!!? where? lol man I'm moviescared already and haven't even seen it lol. haven't felt like this Since Prometheus...
Aug-04-2016 6:24 PM
The hypersleep chambers are more akin to Ressurection in this than other films.
More like 2001 in fact.
Aug-04-2016 6:31 PM
I also get an odd Metropolis vibe from that clip. I hope Ridley is having a ball.
Edit- I like the 2001 chambers a lot, like sarcophagi.
Aug-04-2016 8:13 PM
Are you talking about the lower right portion of the image? If so, I think I see it too. I also "think" I see the reflection of a Xeno. I'm probably seeing things, but if you look to the left of her head I can make out the lower teeth and the shiny smooth head above that.
Super creepy if both David and a Xeno are watching..
Aug-04-2016 9:25 PM
@Ati thank you ! To begin with I thought we were looking at one connected body but actually the face and then the neck and body are not quite "In line". I can now see the slightly thicker neck on top of a body wearing a David type shirt with Michaels shaped shoulders. So this may or may not be David stood up looking into a vertically positioned chamber.
I also saw the reflection on the screen of what might look like teeth ha ha
Aug-04-2016 9:49 PM
@ SM I know the 2001 chambers but its nearly 20 years since I saw Resurrection just the once I remember the vertical chambers with the Eggs was there a cryo sleep waking scene ?
Aug-04-2016 10:26 PM
You get a better look when Christie and Call are wheeling them in and later when they find all the occupants dead.
They differed from previous cryotubes in that they were half metal, half window, rather than all window in Alien, Aliens, and (later) Prometheus. These ones have an even smaller window.
Aug-05-2016 3:07 AM
They have obviously chosen this image because its ambiguous why is it ambiguous because the character is wearing a head wrapping.
Would they decide after Prom that everyone has to be head wrapped in Cryo-Sleep. Its possible but the flashing lights are more reminiscent of an X Ray.
Noomi when looked at straight on has a narrower jaw line than Katherine more sallow looking. The jaw shape puts me more in mind of Noomi.
So if it is David 8 looking on whats he looking for. Something he has generated possibly but some thing which cannot be discounted is that when Charlie impregnated her the Black Goo might operate at a broader molecular level than take over the foetus. Indeed the Black Goo has done two things :-
1) It has amended her reproductive capacity so she can concieve.
2) It has rewritten the genetic material of the foetus.
In the end number 1 could turn out to be more important than number 2.
It would be quite science fiction for the changes to her reproductive capacity to have collateral effects. Before the Black Goo she might have had an Ovulation disorder maybe now she has the opposite. Put that with big idea David and next August could be rather intriguing.
Aug-05-2016 4:41 AM
" Its possible but the flashing lights are more reminiscent of an X Ray. "
Or it's the lights in the hypersleep vault coming on.
Aug-05-2016 5:00 AM
^ Yeah I'm willing to bet it's the ship's wakeup process. It's probably just an older cryo-tube.
As for who's in it, I don't see enough resemblance to Noomi Rapace enough to say it could be Shaw. I'm gonna go with the consensus that it's Daniels not Shaw.
Aug-05-2016 5:47 AM
@ S M Could be but I find David standing over "her" and the head wrap for props for a routine wake up a little to idiosyncratic. Even in Prom he had a fresh take on the wakeup, treating the audience to a good deal of assumption and instead focusing on the wonderful interaction between the crew once they were awake the pinnacle being David/Vickers was delightful.
Indeed the reading of dreams was far more interesting than any other element.The time in the movie spent on the wake up ritual was 7 seconds they moved straight into character foot printing and the light repeat feels way more dramatic to me.
Actually this in a sense is about a much bigger topic. We know they want to sell this to the crucial revenue audience (16 to 24 year old North Americans) as an A L I E N movie but how will they deal with the ritual elements.
I am of course not saying I am right, just enjoying thinking about how Ridders might approach things.
Aug-05-2016 8:50 AM
Ooooh . . . another exciting and teasing titbit! Thanks OP!
I think the top lip is too full to be Shaw - she has quite a narrow top lip. Could be Daniels but hard to be certain.
I have a feeling Shaw's whereabouts and state of body and mind are going to be very closely guarded secrets, and possibly a crucial and surprising plot element - so doubt they would show her so soon . . . could very well be wrong though! :)
Think I'll go with consensus that it's a wake up from cryo sleep. That said, I do like the idea that this could be a body scan of some kind . . . Remember, they have travelled further and for longer (I think) than Prometheus mission so perhaps the cryo needs to be a little different? Probably less advanced than Weyland's own ship too!
Some of you must have hawk eyes lol - I can't see a reflection no matter how hard I look!
Aug-05-2016 9:06 AM
If we first take it as Shaw, then we have to come to one conclusion... as we have to maybe rule out that as being Engineer Tech...
If this is Shaw then the only conclusion is when they find David, he shows them a Shaw unconscious and then she is placed into that Cryo-sleep Capsule.... but surely the Crew would not be a s Stupid as Prometheus because many did criticize Prometheus for some of its elements of disregard for safety.
So we can assume if they dont want to repeat that, then if they come across Shaws body then surely if this is a Med-Pod... or similar they would run tests and surely discover the Xenomorph incubating inside of her.
The only thing they may not detect right away would be if she is infected as a whole with the Goo... And so this could be a Quarantine Process.
But that would effect the Plot Device.... i think.
Aug-05-2016 9:11 AM
However study of the angles and the Face, lead me to conclude this is Daniels....
Which then leads us to the following?
1) Android? Which i doubt as if they are casting her as a lead role would they have two lead roles as Androids? (Fassbender). so i doubt this person is a Android.
2) Cryo-Sleep... yes could be we dont know how old the Ship is, it could be a old ship commissioned prior to Weyland-Yutani Merger and just re-used by the company.
3) Quarantine.. some of the crew could go exploring and become ill, or infected and maybe Daniels is placed in Quarantine for safe guards but latter find nothing wrong with her... which would then lead to the crew to wonder what went wrong with other crew members...
Similar to after Holloways infection Shaw wandered did he get infected from the Air... and they all could be at risk... because she and the crew never knew what they was dealing with.... But David did... and he informed Shaw there was nothing in the Air
Aug-05-2016 9:23 AM
@Ati your point that the person looking isn't wearing a visor is a perfect example of the benefit of sharing thoughts (excuse the pun). I always go by an instinct with art and then use my intellectual curiosity to figure out why I am thinking that way. My instinct is this is extra curricular (ruling out routine Cryo-sleep or related). If there is a visual connection with Blade Runner it sure ain't coincidence so that opens up a real can of worms !
The visual connection might be homage making, directors do that all the time, but it is telling us some thing the status of this person is ambiguous and I do not mean is it her or her.
Aug-05-2016 9:48 AM
@BD If this is Shaw/David its perfectly possible its a stand alone flash back scene that positions how things evolve. I think by the time Covenant arrives Shaw is "technically alive". We have no idea what tech he has available to him to create/use a laboratory type experiment except it will be a one off for his purposes. After all he has piloted the Juggernaut has had his big idea and survived.
It could be a redemptive act by David to save Daniels after she has been injured but there is something procedural and ritualistic about what she is wearing around her head rather than bandaid. Only 364 to go !
Aug-05-2016 12:45 PM
' . . . but there is something procedural and ritualistic about what she is wearing around her head rather than bandaid.'
Are you thinking David could be attempting to turn Daniel's into something bio-mechanical? Xeno or non-Xeno related?
Either way, very interesting idea(s) for the plot!
Aug-05-2016 1:57 PM
@ DS As we know Goo Sperm>Elizabeth>Miss T.
Several of us at both a mythological level (she represents certain iconic female myths this is CarynParnell)
"To me, Shaw's character is somewhat like Pandora, but also a little like Persephone (and maybe even shades of Eve from the Garden myth). I'm not sure which character represents her the most. She could certainly offer more to the story down the road, although maybe not in Covenant'
Others like myself who're guided by character story telling and Giger's visuals see Shaw as a transformed being what we call the Brain Salad image, BD also has offered some visualisations of Giger's. But in what I call the Loganisation of the script and echo's/reinforces the A L I E N franchise I am wondering if the seed was planted in Prometheus and David rather than needing to do anything overt will control her transformation which is unknowingly and very scarily underway. We need only see either prologue or flashback and then revelatory outcome and she would become an extension of her plot point from Prometheus rather than go through an arc.
Put it another way there may not be anymore time for getting her answers it may simply dawn on her before she is transformed she has her answers and they are not particularly good ones. Burke got the point in the end from a different moral stand point it did not require further explanation, if Elizabeths change is underweigh the same could apply and then she becomes a plot point for the new event.
If she can birth a trilobite she can become part of the refinement of the life cycle. If big idea David does something implied off screen we are on the home straight for the new event.
Ridley has indicated once David has his head back on he is bad news as well as a big idea and what ever that is may turn on Elizabeth straight away.
Aug-05-2016 4:07 PM
@MJ i use this as its quicker than Michelle lol if you dont mind.
As far as the Engineer Tech, i think that Cryo-sleep Pod or what ever is more Human Tech than Engineer... also the clothing being worn underneath is more proof.. finally regardless this image matches up with Daniels. well Katherine Waterston.
But that does not mean we cant discus what happens to Shaw in another Scene... i also dont think we would see much if any interaction between Shaw and the Crew of Covenant.
Unless they rescue Shaw at the end of the movie? i think she would be incapacitated for the most part regardless...
Its interesting that she was only to play a SMALLER Role... and she is not in the Synopsis... the one interview she did seem coy about questions on Alien Covenant which prior Ridley said she would not be joining them for shooting..... But this leads me to thinking she knew something she was not letting on to.
Then we have her officially cast to do a weeks worth of work.... When they said Weeks... i think it means as in a Week, as in i would be doing a weeks worth of homework.... so not weeks as in 2,3 or 4 weeks etc worth.
We have to remember Mcbride talked about having Meal times with the cast and week by week the cast would dwindle.... well we know in the Movie some of the crew would die.. but they dont die at a rate of 1-2 a week... the whole movie would be set over a matter of days....
So my point is being on set for a week does not mean that someone would have a large role.... i would expect Shaw to have 10-15 tops screen time.
But what this is and how it effects the Plot who knows... maybe its a flash back? As there is something Evolving... they (Engineers) created it but then the Evil Biology....
We cant be sure what has passed in the 10 years since David and Shaw said farewell to LV-223 and hello to Paradise.
But i would assume this period of time is when something had happened to Shaw.
Aug-05-2016 11:09 PM
@BD when you say clothing you mean what you see beneath the head. What I see is a reflection of David's shoulder shape and David's utilitarian "butler" shirt with a neck and the beginnings of the lower jaw the face of which is obscured by what is in the containment unit. If you freeze frame the 8 seconds and sit back the sense that there is a reflection being captured of someone looking directly at the face is very notable.
On the question of time frame the time spent on set by Noomi probably translates to 5/6 minutes maximum. By the time she prepped, visual tests, rehearsals it could be as little as 2/3 minutes.
@Ati i know many of us are aware of the back up material but they leave enough gaps and some are considered "fun" by Fox to not be definitive (The knowledge that W I knew about the Jockey signal). The idea that breakdown and re organisation moves into 2nd 3rd day as an incomplete analysis might help with a carry over from P to C.
Aug-06-2016 8:12 AM
I still can't make out a reflection . . . (my eyes must be going, lol) but if this is a wake from cryo scene then the reflection of David would surely be AC David not Prom David? You would assume the droid would not have been in hyper-sleep after what we saw in Prom.